How long after going GF or whatever diet you are following, did it take for you to tolerate veggies? I eat well cooked greenbeans and that is about the only veggie that goes over okay.
I am roughly 6-7 months into the diet (GFCG) and have done well thus far with a couple speed bumps. But I can tolerate more foods now- Eggs, potato chips, steak, chocolate (limited)- and most of the time food just sits with me better now.
Does anyone take a multi vitamin while they are healing because of lack of nutriets maybe????????
Fiber, veggies, gas bloating, d oh my
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Fiber, veggies, gas bloating, d oh my
Dr Fine test shows positive for gluten and casien but negative for soy, eggs, and yeast
Maybe its UC maybe its MC? Who knows at this point, but at least I know my intollerances now... so heres to the road to healing!
Maybe its UC maybe its MC? Who knows at this point, but at least I know my intollerances now... so heres to the road to healing!
Most supplmental fiber I've had problems with. Citrucel gave me D, Flaxseed, Psyllium, and others gave me terrible bloating and gas.
About the only thing that has worked thus far is acacia fiber. You can buy and read more about it here:
http://www.helpforibs.com/shop/suplmts/acacia.asp
Another thing that might help is to try go get more soluable fiber rather than insoluable at first.
Just had a thought, I wonder if part of the reason why some have problems with fiber and others do not might have to do with the following:
1) Perhaps some fibers look like bacteria that we are having reactions to, or look like bad bacteria. Most fibers after all are polysaccharides, this is is eactly what the outer membrane of a bacteria looks like.
2) One of the ways that fiber works is to keep water in the stool so that it isn't too hard to pass but this is for folks with constipation. My guess is that for folks with diarrhea by giving some substance to the stool, helping it to bind together, another mechanism is that it will slow down the passage of the stool a bit so that it forms up instead of going straight through. So perhaps given that we already don't absorb enough water in the colon along with the fiber keeping water in the stool it doesn't help.
3) Perhaps some of the indigestable parts of the fibers that bug us are great food for the bad bacteria. Or it's great food for the good bacteria so it produces a lot of hydrogen, well there are a couple of not so nice bacterias that are resident in our colons that feed on hydrogen and carbon, 1 is the methogen producing bacterias that I've mentioned before (these constipate) the other produces hydrogen sulphide (or sulphite, can't remember just now and don't have time to look) anyway this hydrogen sulphide compond does nasty thing to our guts, including putting holes in it. (they even think that these bacteria are ones that causes the IBD type diseases).
What is interesting also is something I thought about for item 1. Perhaps this one of the mechanisms that helps makes folks who consume more fiber healthier. Not sure exactly how this would work, but probably similar to the same reason why some dead bacteria can be as beneifical as the live version. Strange huh, some studies showed that even dead bacteria caused the same good effects as the live.
Well, I'm sure that's more than you ever wanted to know. LOL
Mike
About the only thing that has worked thus far is acacia fiber. You can buy and read more about it here:
http://www.helpforibs.com/shop/suplmts/acacia.asp
Another thing that might help is to try go get more soluable fiber rather than insoluable at first.
Just had a thought, I wonder if part of the reason why some have problems with fiber and others do not might have to do with the following:
1) Perhaps some fibers look like bacteria that we are having reactions to, or look like bad bacteria. Most fibers after all are polysaccharides, this is is eactly what the outer membrane of a bacteria looks like.
2) One of the ways that fiber works is to keep water in the stool so that it isn't too hard to pass but this is for folks with constipation. My guess is that for folks with diarrhea by giving some substance to the stool, helping it to bind together, another mechanism is that it will slow down the passage of the stool a bit so that it forms up instead of going straight through. So perhaps given that we already don't absorb enough water in the colon along with the fiber keeping water in the stool it doesn't help.
3) Perhaps some of the indigestable parts of the fibers that bug us are great food for the bad bacteria. Or it's great food for the good bacteria so it produces a lot of hydrogen, well there are a couple of not so nice bacterias that are resident in our colons that feed on hydrogen and carbon, 1 is the methogen producing bacterias that I've mentioned before (these constipate) the other produces hydrogen sulphide (or sulphite, can't remember just now and don't have time to look) anyway this hydrogen sulphide compond does nasty thing to our guts, including putting holes in it. (they even think that these bacteria are ones that causes the IBD type diseases).
What is interesting also is something I thought about for item 1. Perhaps this one of the mechanisms that helps makes folks who consume more fiber healthier. Not sure exactly how this would work, but probably similar to the same reason why some dead bacteria can be as beneifical as the live version. Strange huh, some studies showed that even dead bacteria caused the same good effects as the live.
Well, I'm sure that's more than you ever wanted to know. LOL
Mike
Believe it or not, 3 of the veggies that I have always tolerated as long as I steamed or cooked them the required time are broccoli, cauliflower, and cabbage!!! I usually by fresh or frozen vegetables.. Peas, green beans, also...
I have taken a vegetarian multi-vitamin for as long as I can remember and I use the Wild Oats brand. No artificial colors or flavors, no preservatives, no sugar, starch, corn, yeast, wheat, gluten, dairy or egg.
I also take a calcium-magnesium with vitamin D daily. No corn, gluten, soy,dairy, salt, sugar, starch, preservatives or artificial color. It is Country Life's brand.
When I first went on the diet I lost weight also. I have always been a small person, so it was noticed more.. I don't worry about it anymore as long as I know I'm eating healthy and I don't get ill often.
Love
Dee!!
I have taken a vegetarian multi-vitamin for as long as I can remember and I use the Wild Oats brand. No artificial colors or flavors, no preservatives, no sugar, starch, corn, yeast, wheat, gluten, dairy or egg.
I also take a calcium-magnesium with vitamin D daily. No corn, gluten, soy,dairy, salt, sugar, starch, preservatives or artificial color. It is Country Life's brand.
When I first went on the diet I lost weight also. I have always been a small person, so it was noticed more.. I don't worry about it anymore as long as I know I'm eating healthy and I don't get ill often.
Love
Dee!!
Mike,
I am totally ignorant of the "dead bacteria" phenomenon, but just thinking out loud here, that suggests that the primary benefit we derive from these species of bacteria may be connected with the digestion of their little "corpses", (IOW, their position in the food chain as fuel, rather than as parasites). For example, we may somehow benefit from an as yet undiscovered bacteria, that specializes in the decomposition of those deceased species.
There's no telling what actually goes on in our gut, and I'm sure that as we push our explorations further and further down the food chain, to the sub-microscopic levels, we will likely uncover other interesting dependencies among the inhabitants of our GI tract.
Tex
P S Andrew, I pretty much avoided all veggies and fruit except for green beans and broccoli, for about two years, while I was healing, but I'm not certain that I couldn't have eaten other types sooner, because I was afraid to try them, after some initial bad experiences. Like Dee, I didn't have any problems with cabbage, but I avoided it, because many people here talked about bad it was as a source of gas.
I am totally ignorant of the "dead bacteria" phenomenon, but just thinking out loud here, that suggests that the primary benefit we derive from these species of bacteria may be connected with the digestion of their little "corpses", (IOW, their position in the food chain as fuel, rather than as parasites). For example, we may somehow benefit from an as yet undiscovered bacteria, that specializes in the decomposition of those deceased species.
There's no telling what actually goes on in our gut, and I'm sure that as we push our explorations further and further down the food chain, to the sub-microscopic levels, we will likely uncover other interesting dependencies among the inhabitants of our GI tract.
Tex
P S Andrew, I pretty much avoided all veggies and fruit except for green beans and broccoli, for about two years, while I was healing, but I'm not certain that I couldn't have eaten other types sooner, because I was afraid to try them, after some initial bad experiences. Like Dee, I didn't have any problems with cabbage, but I avoided it, because many people here talked about bad it was as a source of gas.
Yeah, cabbage makes for some rather nasty fumes in me. LOL
My bigest food sources for fiber would be raspberries (and sometimes other berries), broccoli, sometimes spinach, brown rice, romaine lettuce, peppers and other salad veggies.
Oh and as far as a food source, perhaps though most likely to the other bacteria as most polysaccharides require enzymes to break down, and we don't produce all the ones required, bacteria do produce some of thse though. So in this regard we do get a calorie source, though most of it contributes it's calories towards butyrate (sp) and other fatty acids that promote gut growth.
I'm guessing that the bigger benefit would be through signaling. In this I mean through the Toll Like Receptors, immune sensors of the gut, perhaps even signals to the bacteria. Helping to lead the gut towards tollerance of the good, but intollerance of the bad. Another mechanism might be the chemical components and not nessarily the calorie contents of the bacteria, think B vitamins etc.
Mike
My bigest food sources for fiber would be raspberries (and sometimes other berries), broccoli, sometimes spinach, brown rice, romaine lettuce, peppers and other salad veggies.
Oh and as far as a food source, perhaps though most likely to the other bacteria as most polysaccharides require enzymes to break down, and we don't produce all the ones required, bacteria do produce some of thse though. So in this regard we do get a calorie source, though most of it contributes it's calories towards butyrate (sp) and other fatty acids that promote gut growth.
I'm guessing that the bigger benefit would be through signaling. In this I mean through the Toll Like Receptors, immune sensors of the gut, perhaps even signals to the bacteria. Helping to lead the gut towards tollerance of the good, but intollerance of the bad. Another mechanism might be the chemical components and not nessarily the calorie contents of the bacteria, think B vitamins etc.
Mike
Cabbage is a KILLER for me too! Green beans is really the ONLY veggie I tolerate without a bit of trouble. If the veggie is gassy - well..........you can bet it will be with me too! LOL Actually, I can tolerate carrots also but I don't like them cooked.
Love,
Mars
Love,
Mars
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