Food, bacteria, yeast & the leaky gut meet probiotics &a

mle_ii · Post by **mle_ii** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 2:10 pm

More interesting stuff from thefooddoc. :)

Food, bacteria, yeast & the leaky gut meet probiotics & gluten free diet in the fight against Crohn's disease and Celiac
http://thefooddoc.blogspot.com/2007/04/ ... -meet.html

Post by **tex** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:03 pm

Thanks for the link. That definitely is some interesting information.

Tex

cludwig · Post by **cludwig** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:39 pm

Thanks Mike,

I haven't received any tests back confirming my yeast overgrowth problem, But I am very sure that this is a big part of my gut problems. One thing that confused me about this article is the part about having people who react to the yeast protein taking a yeast probiotic. Was I reading that correctly? If so, then I don't follow the logic.

I am finally mostly able to tolerate a probiotic. I used to violently react, but I started out slowly taking one every third day and am now up to one every other day. I am very hopeful as I have read that it does no good to kill the yeast if you don't add back beneficial bacteria to keep it in check in the future.

Love,
Cristi

mle_ii · Post by **mle_ii** » Tue May 01, 2007 10:09 am

cludwig wrote:One thing that confused me about this article is the part about having people who react to the yeast protein taking a yeast probiotic. Was I reading that correctly? If so, then I don't follow the logic.

Yes Cristi, it is rather odd isn't it. From what I've found the things that this particular fungi do are beneficial as opposed to what the other one might do. You can read more about Saccharomyces Boulardii here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saccharomyces_boulardii

Mike

cludwig · Post by **cludwig** » Tue May 01, 2007 10:32 am

Hi Mike,

Thanks for the link....very interesting. Since I have a yeast intolerance, I wonder if it is to all yeast or just certain strains of yeast? I am not in a position to experiment now, but this is nice to now for down the road.

Love,
Cristi

mle_ii · Post by **mle_ii** » Tue May 01, 2007 10:34 am

cludwig wrote:Hi Mike,

Thanks for the link....very interesting. Since I have a yeast intolerance, I wonder if it is to all yeast or just certain strains of yeast? I am not in a position to experiment now, but this is nice to now for down the road.

Love,
Cristi

How was yeast intolerance determined? And I understand about experimenting.

cludwig · Post by **cludwig** » Tue May 01, 2007 11:00 am

Hi Mike,

Through Dr. Fines' stool test.

Love,
Cristi

mle_ii · Post by **mle_ii** » Tue May 01, 2007 1:07 pm

cludwig wrote:Hi Mike,

Through Dr. Fines' stool test.

Love,
Cristi

So in that case it was to a specfic yeast I imagine. I'll have to go back and look at what they're testing there.

Post by **tex** » Tue May 01, 2007 1:36 pm

All of Enterolabs tests are antibody-specific. That's what I found out when I inquired about the gluten, hordein, secalin, avenin issue. Their tests only cover gluten, (IOW, wheat only). Logically, I suppose it's the only way to get an accurate result, otherwise the test would be plagued with false postiivies.

Tex

mle_ii · Post by **mle_ii** » Tue May 01, 2007 1:54 pm

tex wrote:All of Enterolabs tests are antibody-specific. That's what I found out when I inquired about the gluten, hordein, secalin, avenin issue. Their tests only cover gluten, (IOW, wheat only). Logically, I suppose it's the only way to get an accurate result, otherwise the test would be plagued with false postiivies.

Tex

Right, so I'm guessing that it's an antibody to a specific fungi, most likely the one common to IBDs.

Post by **tex** » Tue May 01, 2007 3:40 pm

Mike,

I got curious, so I checked the Enterolab site. The statistics on their findings about yeast, are rather interesting. I don't remember reading this before, but here's what I found, (the emphasis in red is mine):

What about yeast sensitivity?

Although we know less about yeast sensitivity than gluten sensitivty (because the former has been identified and studied for a shorter period of time), we now know that it too can be associated with an immune reaction that damages the intestine and perhaps other tissues in the body. Yeast sensitivity is the only reaction identified to be present in people with a devastating intestinal inflammatory disease called Crohn's disease. Through research, we at EnteroLab have identified coexisting yeast sensitivity in at least three-quarters of those we find to be gluten sensitive. This is not surprising since many gluten containing foods also contain yeast (such as brewer's and baker's yeast). We also find that some people get more symptom relief from a gluten-free diet when it is also yeast-free.

I guess that makes me kind of a rare bird, because I tested negative to their yeast test.

Tex

mle_ii · Post by **mle_ii** » Tue May 01, 2007 4:37 pm

tex wrote:Mike,

I got curious, so I checked the Enterolab site. The statistics on their findings about yeast, are rather interesting. I don't remember reading this before, but here's what I found, (the emphasis in red is mine):

What about yeast sensitivity?

Although we know less about yeast sensitivity than gluten sensitivty (because the former has been identified and studied for a shorter period of time), we now know that it too can be associated with an immune reaction that damages the intestine and perhaps other tissues in the body. Yeast sensitivity is the only reaction identified to be present in people with a devastating intestinal inflammatory disease called Crohn's disease. Through research, we at EnteroLab have identified coexisting yeast sensitivity in at least three-quarters of those we find to be gluten sensitive. This is not surprising since many gluten containing foods also contain yeast (such as brewer's and baker's yeast). We also find that some people get more symptom relief from a gluten-free diet when it is also yeast-free.
I guess that makes me kind of a rare bird, because I tested negative to their yeast test.

Tex

I tested negative to yeast as well. My guess is that it would depend on the damage done or how open the tight junctions are. Which is probably why those who would be gluten sensitive might also react to yeast negatively as well. Since gluten is known to open tight junctions. These opene TJs would also cause reactions to bacteria as well since this would allow the bacteria access to an area that signals a red alert in the body.

My bet is that most, if not all, of my food sensitivities are due to bacterial overgrowth. And that once I get the SIBO addressed that these food sensitivities will disappear. Though anything that would open the tight junctions (and keep the TJs open) might bring the intollerances back.

harvest_table · Post by **harvest_table** » Tue May 01, 2007 6:05 pm

cludwig wrote:Hi Mike,

Thanks for the link....very interesting. Since I have a yeast intolerance, I wonder if it is to all yeast or just certain strains of yeast? I am not in a position to experiment now, but this is nice to now for down the road.

Love,
Cristi

Dr. Fine appears to be testing stools for the the yeast saccharomyces cervesiae.

Another antibody detected in stools of patients is an antibody to the yeast present in common baked goods and beer. The yeast is called Saccharomyces cervesiae.

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:pd ... cd=8&gl=us

Saccharomyces boulardii is a tropical strain of yeast first isolated from lychee and mangosteen fruit in 1923 by French scientist Henri Boulard. It is related to, but distinct from, Saccharomyces cerevisiae in several taxonomic, metabolic, and genetic properties.[1]

This quote is from the wikpedia link of Mikes related to saccharomyces coulardii. So, the yeasts appear related, but distinct.

Interesting stuff.

Love,
Joanna