Hi Friends,
Has anyone ever heard of this therapy? I ran across this and it sounds really interesting. It's used to treat chronic inflammatory conditions by immune modulation....severely restricting vitamin D while adding high doses of angiotensin II receptor blocker. This enables the immune system to kill very difficult bacteria. I found it at the autoimmunity research website.
The CFS talks about how some of us can't kill these bacteria...they use blood thinners to help the antibiotics kill the bacteria whereas the Marshall Protocol uses high blood pressure medication.
But this is the first time I have heard about vitamin D interfering with antibiotics.
It's interesting and would love your opinions on this stuff.
Love,
Cristi
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Hi Cristi,
That sounds interesting. But, I've always understood vitamin D to be helpful for inflammatory conditions, like MC.
By the way, I started Diflucan yesterday. Last night I didn't have to get up to have D so maybe that's an improvement. How long did it take for the Diflucan to work for you? I only have a 14-day prescription.
Thanks,
Magyar
That sounds interesting. But, I've always understood vitamin D to be helpful for inflammatory conditions, like MC.
By the way, I started Diflucan yesterday. Last night I didn't have to get up to have D so maybe that's an improvement. How long did it take for the Diflucan to work for you? I only have a 14-day prescription.
Thanks,
Magyar
Celiac (gluten-free since 2000), Lymphocytic colitis since 2000.
Hi Magyar,
I have always understood vitamin D to be helpful also which is why this peaked my interest . I started taking vitamin D when I got sick and these set of researchers say that is the worst thing to do. Go figure.
I took diflucan for 6 weeks and my D cleared up exactly four weeks later. Not a gradual improvement...just woke up after 4 weeks and it was normal. However...at the same time I was taking caprylic acid pills which in addition to killing yeast is also a powerful antimicrobial. I have been sure it was yeast as I was eating soup with yeast and became sensitive to sugar and fruit. But as Mike pointed out bad bacterial overgrowth will cause sensitivity to sugar as well. So I can't be sure if it was the diflucan or the caprylic acid pills that helped.
My CFS appointment is this afternoon and one part is getting back a stool test...so hopefully will have some answers.
I'm glad you had a good night. I was having gall bladder problems when I was on diflucan...so maybe that's why it took that long to respond. I'll keep my fingers crossed that you have found something to help you.
Love,
Cristi
I have always understood vitamin D to be helpful also which is why this peaked my interest . I started taking vitamin D when I got sick and these set of researchers say that is the worst thing to do. Go figure.
I took diflucan for 6 weeks and my D cleared up exactly four weeks later. Not a gradual improvement...just woke up after 4 weeks and it was normal. However...at the same time I was taking caprylic acid pills which in addition to killing yeast is also a powerful antimicrobial. I have been sure it was yeast as I was eating soup with yeast and became sensitive to sugar and fruit. But as Mike pointed out bad bacterial overgrowth will cause sensitivity to sugar as well. So I can't be sure if it was the diflucan or the caprylic acid pills that helped.
My CFS appointment is this afternoon and one part is getting back a stool test...so hopefully will have some answers.
I'm glad you had a good night. I was having gall bladder problems when I was on diflucan...so maybe that's why it took that long to respond. I'll keep my fingers crossed that you have found something to help you.
Love,
Cristi
Hmmm... almost every bit of research I've come across shows Vitamin D being helpful for inflamitory (sp) diseases. In most cases they've shown that folks low in Vitamin D are more likely to have IBD or other inflamitory diseases.
I can kind of see where they think this might work, since Vitamin D decreases the inflamation and/or immune process then it decreases the fighting ability for these viral/bacterial/etc infections. But at what cost? Since our disease is an inflamitory disease and not (yet?) considered an infection of virus/bacteria then it seems that it would be counterproductive to limit Vitamin D as that would bring more inflamation.
Even in CFS circles this protocol seems to be losing its support. If I were to investigate a protocol it would be the same one mentioned in the Autism thread I started. And that is the one that helps break the methylation block that they think is occuring.
Mike
I can kind of see where they think this might work, since Vitamin D decreases the inflamation and/or immune process then it decreases the fighting ability for these viral/bacterial/etc infections. But at what cost? Since our disease is an inflamitory disease and not (yet?) considered an infection of virus/bacteria then it seems that it would be counterproductive to limit Vitamin D as that would bring more inflamation.
Even in CFS circles this protocol seems to be losing its support. If I were to investigate a protocol it would be the same one mentioned in the Autism thread I started. And that is the one that helps break the methylation block that they think is occuring.
Mike
Hi Mike,
I think it is just a method to get at these bacteria that are resistant to normal antibiotic treatment. I assume after the bacteria are killed you go back to including the vitamin D.
I also thought it was interesting how these viruses protect themselves for long term survival in our bodies. Some are killed by oxygen so they thicken the blood to decrease the amount of oxygen getting to them. The Marshal Protocol uses Benicar to lower your blood pressure and for some reason that enables the antibiotics to work. In both cases the length of treatment time is much longer than usual.
All the lovely gastroenterologists I have been to refused to test my stool for anything infectious saying people with normal immune systems easily rid themselves. Both the Marshal protocol and the CFS clinic maintain that you don't have to have to have a seriously corrupt immune system ( like AIDS ) for your body to not be able to rid itself of these organisms.
It's interesting to consider.
Love,
Cristi
I think it is just a method to get at these bacteria that are resistant to normal antibiotic treatment. I assume after the bacteria are killed you go back to including the vitamin D.
I also thought it was interesting how these viruses protect themselves for long term survival in our bodies. Some are killed by oxygen so they thicken the blood to decrease the amount of oxygen getting to them. The Marshal Protocol uses Benicar to lower your blood pressure and for some reason that enables the antibiotics to work. In both cases the length of treatment time is much longer than usual.
All the lovely gastroenterologists I have been to refused to test my stool for anything infectious saying people with normal immune systems easily rid themselves. Both the Marshal protocol and the CFS clinic maintain that you don't have to have to have a seriously corrupt immune system ( like AIDS ) for your body to not be able to rid itself of these organisms.
It's interesting to consider.
Love,
Cristi
I spent a lot of time reading the first page or two, and the last page or two, of several "Progress Reports", written by people using the Marshal Protocol, (on the Marshall Protocol website), and to be honest, though they all claim to be making progress, when I compare the descriptions of their symptoms from their earlier posts, with their descriptions of symptoms in their current posts, I find it very difficult to conclude that they are actually any better off than they were before they started, and the ones that I read spanned over two years of treatment.
Maybe I read the wrong ones, or maybe I'm not interpreting their descriptions correctly, but in view of some of the descriptions of how miserable they felt after starting the treatment, I would have grave reservations about trying it myself. And yet, they all appear to be convinced that the treatment is helping them, and heartily recommend it to others.
http://www.marshallprotocol.com/forum30/
As Cristi pointed out, the treatment seems to be based on the use of drugs such as Benicar, which is an angiotensin II receptor antagonist. Benicar prevents the constriction of blood vessels, (it's actually a hypertension medication). Additionally, bioflavonoids such as Quercetin are used. Bioflavonoids have the ability to increase the strength of the capillaries, (in the circulatory system), and to regulate their permeability. Hmmmmmm.
Tex
Maybe I read the wrong ones, or maybe I'm not interpreting their descriptions correctly, but in view of some of the descriptions of how miserable they felt after starting the treatment, I would have grave reservations about trying it myself. And yet, they all appear to be convinced that the treatment is helping them, and heartily recommend it to others.
http://www.marshallprotocol.com/forum30/
As Cristi pointed out, the treatment seems to be based on the use of drugs such as Benicar, which is an angiotensin II receptor antagonist. Benicar prevents the constriction of blood vessels, (it's actually a hypertension medication). Additionally, bioflavonoids such as Quercetin are used. Bioflavonoids have the ability to increase the strength of the capillaries, (in the circulatory system), and to regulate their permeability. Hmmmmmm.
Tex