I've been trying to disprove this for a year or so, but apparently it's true--it is possible to develop additonal food intolerances as time passes. Or, at least, it's possible for slight intolerances to become worse. (I was hoping that our list of intolerances never changed, once established).
As some of you are aware, I've been having a low-level reaction for over a month now, (gas, serious bloating, minor headaches, occasional arthritic symptoms, and general discomfort, (only a little D at first). It began with me misreading a label, and drinking some grape juice that contained corn syrup, (which is a known major trigger for me). Normally, a reaction like that will last about 8 or 10 days, in my case. No matter what I did, though, I couldn't shake the symptoms this time.
I was already on a very limited diet, basically meat and potatoes, with a few GF chocolate chip cookies thrown in on a regular basis, as my only "treat". I had been trying a few Lay's potato chips now and then lately, and cutting them out helped, but didn't solve the problem. I finally cut out the cookies, and after two days, the bloating is almost gone, and so are the other symptoms.
I'm guessing that the offending food is the rice, since the cookies are mostly rice flour, (no other flours, anyway), I doubt that the chocolate is the problem, but even if it is, it's sort of irrelevant, since I can't eat milk chocolate, and I'm not likely to eat any dark chocolate unless it's in cookies, or something of that sort. I've been suspicious of rice before, but I've never been able to pin it down beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Once my gut recovers, I might be able to tolerate small amounts of rice again, but I believe the handwriting is on the wall. IOW, I believe that my rice intolerance has reached the point where I can no longer ignore it. That makes two of us on the board who are rice-intolerant, as far as I'm aware.
Dang. It's gonna be tough without any sweet treats at all. Sniff.
Love,
Wayne
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Wayne,
Unfortunately, our intolerance to things can grow, with further exposure, and because we're already intolerant of many things, the likelihood of us developing MORE sensitivities is greater. I would recommend you look into the Allergy Self-Help Cookbook by Marjorie Hurt-Jones, RN. It outlines the Rotary Diversified Diet, which uses the theory that subjecting ourselves to possible future allergens only once every 4 days will reduce the risk of developing an allergy to it.
For example - peanuts are a common food allergen amoung people. So something like peanuts should NEVER be eaten on a daily basis. In the RDD (Rotary Diversified Diet), you would only consume peanuts once every 4 days. This would give you the nutrition found in peanuts, but would not give you an increased risk of developing an allergy to them.
The same is true for any other common allergen, and using this diet, eventually you can rotate things like rice in on a very limited basis. I wouldn't really recommend this with rice, since rice doesn't hold a lot of nutritional value, but for something like wheat flour, which a lot of us are very sensitive to, this could be a miracle. The diet literally suggests that after you establish your main diet, you can rotate a food you are sensitive to in one day, and see if you get a reaction. This exercises the "Allergic Load" theory. This theory states that if we are exposed to more of our allergens, our allergic load increases, and we show more symptoms of reaction. Basically, I'm saying that if you use the RDD correctly, and eventually your body is at peace with allergies, you might be able to tolerate something like wheat flour ONCE A WEEK, or once every 4 days, without a reaction.
Anyway, the book has a whole chapter on RDD, and several other VERY helpful chapters on allergic load and environmental allergies, and how it all relates together. It also has MANY recipes with a VERY diverse use of different kinds of flours and spices, as well as forms of sweetening OTHER than sugar and corn syrup, and replacements for eggs and milk. It also has a complete chapter on vitamins and nutrition and how EACH vitamin affects our immune response.
It's an invaluable book. I'd recommend it to everyone here.. it should be our MANUAL.
Christine
Unfortunately, our intolerance to things can grow, with further exposure, and because we're already intolerant of many things, the likelihood of us developing MORE sensitivities is greater. I would recommend you look into the Allergy Self-Help Cookbook by Marjorie Hurt-Jones, RN. It outlines the Rotary Diversified Diet, which uses the theory that subjecting ourselves to possible future allergens only once every 4 days will reduce the risk of developing an allergy to it.
For example - peanuts are a common food allergen amoung people. So something like peanuts should NEVER be eaten on a daily basis. In the RDD (Rotary Diversified Diet), you would only consume peanuts once every 4 days. This would give you the nutrition found in peanuts, but would not give you an increased risk of developing an allergy to them.
The same is true for any other common allergen, and using this diet, eventually you can rotate things like rice in on a very limited basis. I wouldn't really recommend this with rice, since rice doesn't hold a lot of nutritional value, but for something like wheat flour, which a lot of us are very sensitive to, this could be a miracle. The diet literally suggests that after you establish your main diet, you can rotate a food you are sensitive to in one day, and see if you get a reaction. This exercises the "Allergic Load" theory. This theory states that if we are exposed to more of our allergens, our allergic load increases, and we show more symptoms of reaction. Basically, I'm saying that if you use the RDD correctly, and eventually your body is at peace with allergies, you might be able to tolerate something like wheat flour ONCE A WEEK, or once every 4 days, without a reaction.
Anyway, the book has a whole chapter on RDD, and several other VERY helpful chapters on allergic load and environmental allergies, and how it all relates together. It also has MANY recipes with a VERY diverse use of different kinds of flours and spices, as well as forms of sweetening OTHER than sugar and corn syrup, and replacements for eggs and milk. It also has a complete chapter on vitamins and nutrition and how EACH vitamin affects our immune response.
It's an invaluable book. I'd recommend it to everyone here.. it should be our MANUAL.
Christine
Wayne, I'm so very sorry. I really wish you could enjoy more things to eat. A real bummer about the cookies. I just don't know what to say. I feel so bad for you.Hi Christine,
I realize that the rotation plan appears to work for most people. The reason I have a problem with accepting it, is because the proponents of this procedure include wheat in the rotation. While the immediate effect of most food intolerances is debatable, (as far as actual physical damage to the body is concerned), there is no question that gluten is toxic to anyone who is gluten sensitive, and it does measurable damage to your body, each and every time that you ingest it.
That means that ingesting it is a little like eating a little poison on a regular basis, simply because we can get away with it, without it killing us. The gluten sensitivity is not going to go away, so why subject your body to a little bit of toxic damage, every few days, just because the body will recover sufficiently between doses, that the cumulative effect does not become significant.
Yes, I can tolerate rice, if I only eat it once every three or four days, I can tolerate corn, casein, and virtually anything else, on the same basis. The point is, if we have to wait four days for our bodies to recover between doses, in order to prevent a significant reaction, just how safe do you think that program really is for your internal organs?
That said, when I run out of food options, I reckon I'll be rotating poisons according to that plan, simply because I won't have a choice--everything will be toxic to me.
Wayne
P S Aw, Shirley, don't feel bad about it--it could be worse. I was really afraid that I had become intolerant to meat. That would put me in a bind, since I can't handle any significant amount of veggies, and no fruit.
I realize that the rotation plan appears to work for most people. The reason I have a problem with accepting it, is because the proponents of this procedure include wheat in the rotation. While the immediate effect of most food intolerances is debatable, (as far as actual physical damage to the body is concerned), there is no question that gluten is toxic to anyone who is gluten sensitive, and it does measurable damage to your body, each and every time that you ingest it.
That means that ingesting it is a little like eating a little poison on a regular basis, simply because we can get away with it, without it killing us. The gluten sensitivity is not going to go away, so why subject your body to a little bit of toxic damage, every few days, just because the body will recover sufficiently between doses, that the cumulative effect does not become significant.
Yes, I can tolerate rice, if I only eat it once every three or four days, I can tolerate corn, casein, and virtually anything else, on the same basis. The point is, if we have to wait four days for our bodies to recover between doses, in order to prevent a significant reaction, just how safe do you think that program really is for your internal organs?
That said, when I run out of food options, I reckon I'll be rotating poisons according to that plan, simply because I won't have a choice--everything will be toxic to me.
Wayne
P S Aw, Shirley, don't feel bad about it--it could be worse. I was really afraid that I had become intolerant to meat. That would put me in a bind, since I can't handle any significant amount of veggies, and no fruit.
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LOL Well when you put it THAT way it sounds pretty harsh, but actually, it's not because they're straight poison.. the whole theory is that because of your body's allergic load (exposure to all allergens causing you to react more to things you wouldn't ordinarily react to), you are reacting to something you wouldn't ordinarily react to, and giving it to your body every 4 days is a safe rotation..
but yeah, I don't think, for those of us with Dr. Fine's test results, we should rotate Wheat in.. it was just an example.
Honestly, I can't imagine being sensitive to rice :( Doesn't leave a whole lot!!! I've been worried that because I'm using so much rice (like in my rice cereal) as a filler, I'm risking developing an allergy to it.. but I just can't seem to find anything that's as filling/satisfying as a snack.
Any suggestions? lol
Christine
but yeah, I don't think, for those of us with Dr. Fine's test results, we should rotate Wheat in.. it was just an example.
Honestly, I can't imagine being sensitive to rice :( Doesn't leave a whole lot!!! I've been worried that because I'm using so much rice (like in my rice cereal) as a filler, I'm risking developing an allergy to it.. but I just can't seem to find anything that's as filling/satisfying as a snack.
Any suggestions? lol
Christine
Howdy Tex! :)
I had thought the same thing about rice and corn for me, now I'm not so sure. I think the gluten made me hypersensitive to other proteins (or fiber) and thus when I continued to eat them I didn't get better. I cut rice and corn out and started to feel better. Now I've added it back in and have been doing ok. Today I don't feel 100% though though my BMs seem ok. What seems strange is from what I've read about GLP2 and SCFAs those things that can help heal the gut contain other things that aren't so good for our gut (proteins).
Perhaps for me rotating those things that bother me when I'm sensitive might be a better idea than eating them every day. Worth a try I suppose.
I had thought the same thing about rice and corn for me, now I'm not so sure. I think the gluten made me hypersensitive to other proteins (or fiber) and thus when I continued to eat them I didn't get better. I cut rice and corn out and started to feel better. Now I've added it back in and have been doing ok. Today I don't feel 100% though though my BMs seem ok. What seems strange is from what I've read about GLP2 and SCFAs those things that can help heal the gut contain other things that aren't so good for our gut (proteins).
Perhaps for me rotating those things that bother me when I'm sensitive might be a better idea than eating them every day. Worth a try I suppose.
Wayne,
I'm sorry you have lost your last treat. My dad said there were 2 kinds of people: those who eat to live and those who live to eat! He considered himself one of the latter. You are of necessity one of the former. I just hope you have lots of other pleasures in your life, since eating is not one of them. I remember you like nature photography as a hobby. And of course now there's the fun of managing this board and helping out the helpless people like me who can't get their atavar (avatar?) to work!
I'm sorry you have lost your last treat. My dad said there were 2 kinds of people: those who eat to live and those who live to eat! He considered himself one of the latter. You are of necessity one of the former. I just hope you have lots of other pleasures in your life, since eating is not one of them. I remember you like nature photography as a hobby. And of course now there's the fun of managing this board and helping out the helpless people like me who can't get their atavar (avatar?) to work!
kathy
BUMMER Well, since they don't make me sick as a dog, I may have to cheat once in a while, or try the rotation plan on them. LOL. It is a bummer.
Tex
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Hi Wayne
Yes, that is a bummer. I know you're very knowledgeable about diet, so can't give any insight from my experiences, but when we went to the WCPPG at Sally's, Gaea had ordered some wonderful GF foods to be sent there and wondered if that company had any goodies you could tolerate? Sal? Do you remember the name of that company?
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I am so sorry, I am afraid I can't help myself. Hopefully there is something else that can give you some kind of pleasure, since food is not an option. Enough, said, but NO COOKIES, I agree with Pegster, Bummer.
And hats off to you too, I do remember when I was really, really bad, and when it comes to wanting to stop the runs and sick feeling, you get the strength. I went through a time when nothing stayed in me for long, and was counting upwards of going 40 times a day. IF I ATE. So it became an issue very quickly, what made things worse, and so on. At the time I didn't have even an idea of what it was, let alone anyone to talk to about it. I just found some early tests results from the doctor that I had back then, and from as early as 96 he suspected that I had CC, but never told me at all. It would have been nice to know something, I would have at least been able to look it up on my puter.
Good luck.
Wendy
And hats off to you too, I do remember when I was really, really bad, and when it comes to wanting to stop the runs and sick feeling, you get the strength. I went through a time when nothing stayed in me for long, and was counting upwards of going 40 times a day. IF I ATE. So it became an issue very quickly, what made things worse, and so on. At the time I didn't have even an idea of what it was, let alone anyone to talk to about it. I just found some early tests results from the doctor that I had back then, and from as early as 96 he suspected that I had CC, but never told me at all. It would have been nice to know something, I would have at least been able to look it up on my puter.
Good luck.
Wendy
Oh PHOOEY, Wayne! You must be going 
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This sucks! It does indeed sound like the cookies. Just for fun, could you list the ingredients in those cookies (including the ingredients in the chocolate chips)?
I am tending to think it might be the chocolate - I think chocolate intolerance is much more common than rice intolerance. And I know that Christine and I (and I think some others) are intolerant of chocolate.
We'll have to come up with some sweets for you. Do you like pure maple sugar candy? I forget - can you eat peanut butter? Eggs? Don't worry, the great minds here will come up with SOMETHING. Oh, how about Mike's "pumpkin pie" made with mashed sweet potatoes, honey, and pumpkin pie spice? I made some and it REALLY is delicious......and filling!
Love,
Polly
!This sucks! It does indeed sound like the cookies. Just for fun, could you list the ingredients in those cookies (including the ingredients in the chocolate chips)?
I am tending to think it might be the chocolate - I think chocolate intolerance is much more common than rice intolerance. And I know that Christine and I (and I think some others) are intolerant of chocolate.
We'll have to come up with some sweets for you. Do you like pure maple sugar candy? I forget - can you eat peanut butter? Eggs? Don't worry, the great minds here will come up with SOMETHING. Oh, how about Mike's "pumpkin pie" made with mashed sweet potatoes, honey, and pumpkin pie spice? I made some and it REALLY is delicious......and filling!
Love,
Polly
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Wayne
I had hoped that I would never have to welcome anyone to the "Rice No Dice Club" but I guess I just did. I had grain envy when so many members could eat those Lunberg rice crackers and when I tried them , even just one or two, I regreted it. Even after two years I still crave something, almost anything , on a cracker since they have always been my favorite nibble food. I found the rice problem early on when I was laboring under the ilussion that if I eliminated gluten everthing would be all right. I had made two magnificent loaves of bread that were made predominantly from rice flour and even as sick as I was new that it was just makeing things worse.
For me the real worry is that even though my intolerances have been stable for a while when will the next one crop up. I am not sitting waiting for the other shoe to drop since I have been doing pretty well on the bounties of the paleo diet. My question along with you and all the other great members is how to stop the downward spiral of intolerances or have I missed something that is really the root cause like I thought gluten was. I guess that is our mission if we accept to choose it.
But we all know that 
Hope you have found the last one.
Matthew
I had hoped that I would never have to welcome anyone to the "Rice No Dice Club" but I guess I just did. I had grain envy when so many members could eat those Lunberg rice crackers and when I tried them , even just one or two, I regreted it. Even after two years I still crave something, almost anything , on a cracker since they have always been my favorite nibble food. I found the rice problem early on when I was laboring under the ilussion that if I eliminated gluten everthing would be all right. I had made two magnificent loaves of bread that were made predominantly from rice flour and even as sick as I was new that it was just makeing things worse.
For me the real worry is that even though my intolerances have been stable for a while when will the next one crop up. I am not sitting waiting for the other shoe to drop since I have been doing pretty well on the bounties of the paleo diet. My question along with you and all the other great members is how to stop the downward spiral of intolerances or have I missed something that is really the root cause like I thought gluten was. I guess that is our mission if we accept to choose it.
But we all know that Hope you have found the last one.
Matthew
