Allergy to paraphenylenediamine?

[Tessa]

I am sorry, I wanted to start a Poll about it but (Tex), I am afraid I do not know how to do it.
I understand where to write the Poll question, but what about the options to answer?

Going back to the message... Allergy to Paraphenylenediamine?

Paraphenylenediamine (PPD) is a chemical substance that is widely used as a permanent hair dye. It may also been found in textile or fur dyes, dark coloured cosmetics, temporary tattoos, photographic developer and lithography plates, photocopying and printing inks, black rubber, oils, greases and gasoline.

Source: Dermatitis

I mean if you have allergy to a hair teint?

I was wondering if you have problems with the hair teint and if you have been tested for being allergic to paraphenylenediamine.

Every time I am going to the hairdresser to get my hair teinted, a few days later the skin of my head becomes extremely itchy. Scratching leads to redness, cracking, and finally, crusting and scaling.

I knew there was something wrong with my skin as it also reacts to other products for instance to depilatory cream. I think I get a kind of Dermatitis Hepetiformis everytime I use it on my legs... Now I know that that specific depilatory cream had GLUTEN! It was an allergic reaction as I was becoming increasingly sensitive to it and the reaction was worse every time I used it.

Can you imagine having some of these on your legs?


With regard to the hair. It is supposed to be Dermatitis... And it is different to the reaction to the depilatory cream.
You can read more about it here:
NIAMS

According to this website:

Atopic dermatitis is also associated with malfunction of the body's immune system

Immune system again.


I have read that it is also associated with an allergic reaction to a local aenesthetic called NOVOCAINE. (Which I had some years ago) -

My skin (on my head) becomes so itchy after going to the hairdresser that I cannot avoit scratching.
The skin goes redness (but you cannot see it as it is under the hair) and then comes the worst and "painful" part. The skin cracks and crusts and falls apart...

I have been in contact with an expert of the Spanish Association of Atopic Dermatitis and after explaining my skin´s reaction to the hair teint he said that I am likely allergic to paraphenylenediamine and suggested going to a dermatologist to carry out the test.

I have been to another hairdresser and he has promised to be very careful with the teint, but I am starting to become more cautious. Maybe I should stop it until a specialist confirms the diagnosis and tells me what to do about it. What if I have a worse reaction?

Grey hair is not nice. I do not like it. Furthermore, as it happened to my father, it has started at a very early age and I feel having some grey hairs, but... What else can I do?

Furthermore, I am waiting for a ap. with the Allergist.

What do you suggest?


Love,
Tessa

[tex]

Hi Tessa,

I would suggest that you stop using it, at least until you can confirm the allergy. That's a pretty severe reaction, and your skin could even become infected.

Grey hair is not so bad - as my dad used to always say, "it makes you look distinguished". LOL. I never had more than a few grey hairs, until I started reacting to gluten, and then I became almost completely grey, in only a year or two.

If you want to start a poll, all you have to do to enter the options, is to write each one on a separate line in the window that is provided. I set up a poll for you, (by editing your post). If you will click on the "edit" button, (at the upper right of the window), you will be able to see how it is set up, and you can change it any way you want. If the system won't let you do that, (that is, if you don't see an "edit" button), and you want to change the poll, please let me know, and I will grant you temporary moderator status, so that you can change it.

Love,
Tex

[Dee]

I'm confused!!
I thought gluten had to be ingested in order to have DH develop.. I've never heard of DH showing up from using something like a body lotion or cream.. Isn't the concern relating to using a product and then from having it on your hands tranferring it to your mouth??
Hmmmmm!
Tessa, I wouldn't use any kind of hair tint until you see a dermatologist. Those breakouts on your scalp have to be awful.. Hope you can find out soon as to the cause.
Love
Dee~~~~

[tex]

Dee,

That's what I thought too, (that gluten had to be ingested, in order to cause a DH reaction). However, I found the following warning in a DH article, with no explanation as to whether or not the product had to be ingested:

Before using a hand lotion [with a grain derivative], a face powder [with a wheat starch extender], a lipstick [with oat gum], a shampoo [with wheat germ oil], a mouthwash [with a grain derivative], a toothpaste [with gluten]; or products with any array of colorings based on grains, dyes based on lakes and other glutens such as wheat germ oil, wheat flour or barley water, the patient must check with their pharmacist or physician for information and direction. Careful label reading and interpretation of terms on labels along with obtaining information regarding sealers, extenders, and non-identified ingredients will help the DH patient to develop a listing of allowed pharmaceuticals and nutritional products.

This comes from:

http://www.e-celiacs.org/2-Dermatitis_Herpetiformis.htm

and they list Sleisenger and Fortran, Gastroenintestinal Disease: Pathophysiology/Diagnosis/Management, W.B. Saunders Co., Fifth Edition.l, as the source of that information.

Love,
Wayne

[tex]

Here's what the British Coeliac association, Coeliac UK, has to say about it:

Gluten in non-edible items

Gluten often ends up in the most surprising products and Coeliac UK has investigated several items.

Gum on postage stamps and envelopes
Extensive enquiries with the Post Office and the manufacturers of envelopes have shown that the gum used in these products is gluten-free and perfectly safe for coeliacs.

Face cream
For gluten to affect you, it needs to be digested. Any products you apply to your hair or skin, like face cream that contain wheat germ oil, will not affect your coeliac disease.

Cosmetics
The only cosmetics you need to be wary of are those you apply to your lips as these could be digested. If the ingredients are not listed on the packaging you should speak to the manufacturer. However, the amount of gluten that is likely to be in a product such as a lipstick is small, so you would need to digest a large amount to cause a reaction.

You may still be sensitive to ingredients in cosmetics, but this has nothing to do with coeliac disease.

This is from:

http://www.coeliac.co.uk/other/TextOnly ... FontSize=4

So, it would appear that these reactions are some sort of classic allergic reactions, rather than coeliac reactions to the gluten.

Love,
Wayne

[Tessa]

Thank you both, Dee & Tex

Tex, I have not been able to see the poll edited, but I think I know now how to proceed. Thanks for telling me how to carry it out and thank you for doing it, too.

Dee, I think you are right (both of you). I better do not use any hair tint until I see a dermatologist. On my last visit to the hairdresser (only to cut my hair), he told me that I still have some dermatitis on my head...

Dee, on a national board of coeliac and DH in Spain, I have known some people whose doctors are recommending not to use products with gluten on the skin and I know of some children who had reactions (even vomits) after using a soap with gluten.

We even check our cosmetics, shampoo and toothpaste now. Some of us are more sensible than others, but there are many different products on the market and I prefer to use those GF & DF than the ones including them. Better preventing.

I´ve always been for the idea that it does not matter if you eat it or absorb it through the skin. Have you heard about those cyclist who had a positive test to doping after having used a parch on their skin?

I have been able to confirm (and learn) by myself that the skin is another door for products who can hurt me: gluten, casein, yodo, etc.

Some face creams can make me get a rash. Cosmetics on my eyes can cause inflammation... Hair tint dermatitis; depilatory cream HD, etc.

Love,
Tessa

[tex]

Tessa,

Yes, transdermal, (applied to the skin, for absorption into the bloodstream), by means of adhesive patches, is a preferred way to treat the body with hormones, as I'm sure you know. Also, in toxicology, certain organophosphate-based pesticides, in concentrated formulations, if accidentally spilled on the skin, will kill a human in a matter of minutes, if the spot is roughly the size of a half-dollar coin, for example. I used to handle some of those chemicals, back when I was growing cotton, but I finally decided that it wasn't worth the risk, and stopped growing cotton.

I think this transdermal action applies primarily to chemicals that affect our nervous systems, but I will admit that I don't know a great deal about this phenomenon. The "experts" claim that proteins cannot enter the bloodstream transdermally. Of course, the "experts" are occasionally proven wrong. I work in an environment where wheat dust is sometimes in the air, (it's hard to avoid on a farm, especially at harvest time), but I have never noticed that it bothers me, (as long as I don't ingest it). Oats dust does bother me - it leads to severe, (life threatening), respiratory congestion, but not D, unless I ingest it. I will admit, though, that I avoid shampoos, and any other skin products that contain gluten.

Love,
Tex

[annie oakley]

It makes perfect sense anything put on your skin is absorbed. Great heads up thanks Love Oma

[MaggieRedwings]

Morning All,

Tessa, that is such a reaction I would go with the gray and just be distinguished as Tex and my father both said. I started graying at 21. Do hope this improves for you.

I am very much affected by any creams, shampoos, etc. that have wheat in them without injesting them. I watch everything I buy since I have rashed and even got increased D when using such a product. Better safe for me than have any more D than normal - which is abnormal.

Love, Maggie

[Tessa]

Yes, Tex, I think that whatever applied on the skin becomes absorped into the body and can therefore provoke a reaction. And then, depending on the sensitivity of the person, it can be a mild or severe reaction.

I never heard about the chemicals that you mention, but I am glad that you decided not to continue with it. It sounds really dangerous.

Good that wheat never bothers you (when in the air). I have no idea if that would cause me any reaction.

Thanks for the info, Tex. Most helpful, as always.
:)
Tessa.

[Tessa]

Hi, Maggie.

At 21 already with gray hair. Oh!


I thought I would be prepared for having gray hair .. And I always thought I would use tint...

I am sorry to know that you have such a reaction to creams, etc. I think mine reaction can worsen too. Therefore, I stopped with the tint... Until I have the ap. with the alergologist.

BTW, after our conversation here on the forum, we decided going to the Hospital´s Ap. Office today in order to claim for the ap. with the alergologist. We asked it in May and had no news about it.

At the Hospital´s Office they told me that they had a note to cancel the request. Ooopsss! Where did they got the idea of cancelling it???? **** flaskflkf *****

They apologized for the inconveniences and told me I would get the ap. as soon as possible. I finally got it confirmed for Monday, the 30th (July).


Thanks God we went today to ask. On the contrary, we would have been waiting for their call... But, of course, they were not going to call as they thought that I had cancelled my request....

Sometimes things work really bad... The positive side of this event is that we met an helpfull employee who helped us through to get the ap.
and that I will see the alergologist in a few weeks time.

I will have to write all the things down, because I am sure I would forget some issues at the ap.

I am looking forward to it. My husband said I do not need to ask for a dermatologist anymore, because the alergologist will be able to check the allergic reaction to the hair tint too, besides the other allergies (local anesthetic, etc.)

Have you gone through a test to identify an allergic reaction to medicines (local anesthetics)?

Love,
Tessa


PS:
BTW, I forgot to mention that I answered "I don´t know" on the poll - because even though I suspect being allergic to this substance, I have not been oficially confirmed.