Vitamin D instead of that nasty flu shot?

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Vitamin D instead of that nasty flu shot?

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Well, I've decided to join the bandwagon and started taking vitamin D a few weeks ago. This is interesting about supplementing with D during the winter months to boost our immune systems against flu and virus's.
Vitamin D has been a big topic this year. It has been discovered that the majority of us are Vitamin D deficient. (See my Vitamin D posts for more info.) This has wide-ranging consequences, including making us more susceptible to viral infections.

In fact, it is now theorized that the flu doesn't actually travel the globe during the winter, but that Vitamin D levels in an already deficient population fall so low that people are more susceptible to all viruses. For protection from October to March, consider taking 3,000 IU daily of Vitamin D in the cholecaciferol form. (The other form is not very absorbable.)
http://mednauseum.blogspot.com/search/label/flu

The sentence I've highlighted just plain old makes sense. As mentioned here before it's benefits just keep getting better.


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Wonder why they recommend so much? The RDA is only 400 IU.

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I think the RDA is going to be upped to 800 mg soon. My cousin is a doctor and keeps up with all that and he says it is imperative that we take 1000 mg. Don't know about 3000? People in the north may need that much though.

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Tex,

It could be the current RDA for D is just plain out of whack, sort of like our food pyramid.
It’s pretty safe to take up to 2000 IU per day on your own. Dr. Michael Holick, a vitamin D researcher at Boston University and author of The UV Advantage, believes that people need about 1000 IU per day. I asked a family doctor, who said they suggest 400-800 IU per day for middle-aged women. However, it might be a good idea for gluten intolerant people to take more, about 1000 - 2000 IU per day, since we may have difficulties absorbing vitamins and celiac disease is an autoimmune disease.
http://www.celiac.com/st_prod.html?p_prodid=1457

I started at 1000 IU and plan to up that to 2000 soon. Although I haven't tested for a deficiency I figure after living in AK for 15 years, being gluten intolerent and eating Paleo for the last few years it might be a pro-active call.

This link has a pretty good article about Celiac/Gluten Intolerance and Vitamin D.

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Pat,

That's interesting to hear they may be uping the RDA to 800, good for them but it's still under what the experts are suggesting now.

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Joanna,

The part that bothers me is the difficulty in separating expert recommendations from the authors opinions, in that article. For instance, in the sentence:
However, it might be a good idea for gluten intolerant people to take more, about 1000 - 2000 IU per day, since we may have difficulties absorbing vitamins and celiac disease is an autoimmune disease.
That sounds like the authors opinion, based on the fact that untreated celiacs, (or people with refractive sprue), may have a malabsorption problem, (presumably, due to villous atrophy). However, for celiacs who respond to treatment, (or gluten sensitive individuals who do not have any significant damage to the villi of their small intestine), that is simply not a valid assumption. Once the small intestine heals, the malabsorption problem disappears.

It is true that vitamin D is a steroid hormone. As such, there is an optimum amount that the body needs, and too much can be toxic. No one would take megadoses of estrogen, or testosterone, and neither should we indiscriminately take megadoses of vitamin D, just because we feel that we may be deficient. Our paleo ancestors got their vitamin D from the sun, and that is still the safest way to get it.
Vitamin D toxicity:

Excessive exposure to sunlight does not lead to overproduction of vitamin D. Vitamin D toxicity is inevitably the result of overdosing on vitamin D supplements. Don't do this! Ingestion of milligram quantities of vitamin D over periods of weeks of months can be severely toxic to humans and animals. In fact, baits laced with vitamin D are used very effectively as rodenticides.
This is from this site:

http://www.vivo.colostate.edu/hbooks/pa ... amind.html

Okay, to put that into perspective, consider that 1 IU = 0.025 micrograms, so that means that 1,000 IU would be 25 micrograms, or 0.025 milligrams. Therefore, to ingest milligram quantities, one would have to take 40 times as much, in order to get 1 milligram, (IOW 40,000 IU). However, note that as little as 10,000 IU of vitamin D can cause nausea, vomiting, poor appetite, constipation, weakness, bone pain and weight loss. It can also cause kidney stones or calcification of soft tissue. And, it can also raise blood levels of calcium. High blood levels of calcium can cause confusion and heart rhythm abnormalities. If you want a reference on the risks at the 10,000 IU level, I got that information from a site called "Mamma's Health", and to be fair, I must admit that I have absolutely no idea just how healthy "Mamma" might be, but nonetheless, here is the site:

http://www.mamashealth.com/nutrition/vitamind.asp

The point is, there is a rather low practical limit that one can safely take. 10,000 IU is only one-quarter of a milligram, (a very small quantity), and four times that, (one milligram), approaches the potentially toxic range.

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I am taking 1200 IU per day, and I take no other vitamins or minerals, so you can tell how much I believe in vitamin D. I think we will see the RDA continue to be raised over time. Apparently there are many areas in the country where one cannot get enough sun exposure, not to mention the issue of SPF sunscreens that limit vit. D absorption.

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My naturopath says shes being told to recommend 6000/day. I just smile and nod, and we move on. Next time I'll try to ask who sets that dose. I do 1000 or 2000.

I've just found a product called Dr Weil's Vit D Dots, which are really tiny. I'm so tired of swallowing pills.

Between the clouds, rain and latitude, I get about 0 outside many days. If I were outside in say, sunny Texas, I wouldn't worry about it so much!
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Reggie wrote:Between the clouds, rain and latitude, I get about 0 outside many days. If I were outside in say, sunny Texas, I wouldn't worry about it so much!
From an article from the Harvard School of Public Health:
A complicating factor in determining how much vitamin D we need to get from diet or supplements is that exposure to sunlight produces vitamin D in the skin, which is then rapidly absorbed in the blood. Thus, a vitamin D intake of 800 IU per day may be too low for a person who rarely gets sun exposure (or for someone living in the north, where vitamin D cannot be made in the late-autumn and winter months). Yet that level of intake may not even be necessary for a person who receives ample sun exposure.
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionso ... aminD.html

Yep, us Southerners are lucky, when it comes to vitamin D. I suspect the original paleo people didn't wear a heck of a lot of clothes, because they lived in sunny environments. The clothes probably came thousands of years later, as some tribes moved into colder habitats.

The American Academy of Dermatology Association, of course, opposes getting vitamin D through the skin:
"It is known that there is a high risk of developing skin cancer from repeated and intentional ultraviolet B exposure to boost vitamin D levels; the latter can be safely achieved by nutritional supplements," said Dr. DeLeo. "Skin cancer is an epidemic in this country and recommending increased UV exposure with claims that sunlight somehow promotes good health is highly irresponsible."
Furthermore, they say:
Photosynthesizing vitamin D through natural sunlight is maximized after 20 minutes of ultraviolet B (UVB) exposure, with extended sun exposure providing no additional benefit but instead increasing the likelihood of photodamage and skin cancer.
Vitamin D uptake through the skin is sort of a "Catch 22" situation, in that as we age, we need more vitamin D, but aging skin does not absorb vitamin D as readily:
"When people age, their skin becomes less equipped to process vitamin D absorption through incidental sun exposure," said Dr. DeLeo. "Since their daily vitamin D requirements are so much higher than their younger counterparts, it is very important that they take vitamin D supplements and increase their intake of vitamin D enriched foods such as milk and other fortified dairy products, fortified orange juice and certain kinds of fish."


http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/23771.php

If you want to quantify what it needed, the number to shoot for is serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D, [25(OH)D], concentrations equal to or greater than 75 nmol/L, according to the Journal of Clinical Nutrition.

http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/full/85/3/649

These folks don't exactly agree with the The American Academy of Dermatology Association, (that is, they don't propose a blanket condemnation of sun exposure), and they endorse obtaining vitamin D through any of the conventional sources:
Correction of low 25(OH)D concentrations can happen only if some or all of the following are implemented: the encouragement of safe, moderate exposure of skin to ultraviolet light; appropriate increases in food fortification with vitamin D; and the provision of higher doses of vitamin D in supplements for adults.
The main problem with getting vitamin D from sunlight, of course, is the lack of a reliable, quantifiable way to measure it. Common recommendations are usually based on something like "Fifteen minutes of sun exposure two to three times a week (to the face, hands, feet...)". So what latitude is that based on? Arizona? Alaska? Nebraska? Does anybody know? Does the original author of that statement even know?

Here in the South, many construction workers, and especially roofers, traditionally work all day in the sun wearing shorts, and no shirt, (well, except for female construction workers, of course). At the other extreme, many/most of those who work indoors, usually get virtually no sun at all, while they are working, and if they get any sun exposure, it will have to come from recreational pursuits. Farmers, ranchers, construction workers, etc., are somewhere in the middle, and mostly wear protective clothing, but their faces, and maybe their hands, are exposed to the sun for much of the day.

Is there an epidemic of of skin cancer among roofers? I dunno, but they continue to do it, year after year. Are they healthier than most? Again, I don't know, but they are dang sure gettin' enough vitamin D.

The bottom line - I don't get as much sun as I used to, (I'm one of those guys who used to work in the fields without a shirt, sometimes), but I'll probably be looking into boosting my vitamin D supplement from the current level of 400 IU, to maybe close to a thousand, even though I live in sunny Texas.

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