A New Rat Model Links Two Contemporary Theories in IBS.

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A New Rat Model Links Two Contemporary Theories in IBS.

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A recent study about bacterial overgrowth that I found interesting. See the most interesting part below in bold.

A New Rat Model Links Two Contemporary Theories in Irritable Bowel Syndrome.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entre ... s=17934822
Pimentel M, Chatterjee S, Chang C, Low K, Song Y, Liu C, Morales W, Ali L, Lezcano S, Conklin J, Finegold S.
GI Motilty Program, Cedars-Sinai Medical Center, Burns and Allen Research Institute, 8730 Alden Drive, Suite 225E, Los Angeles, CA, 90048, USA, pimentelm@cshs.org.

Rationale Two proposed hypotheses for irritable bowel syndrome (IBS) are acute gastroenteritis and bacterial overgrowth. We studied whether acute infection with Campylobacter could precipitate bacterial overgrowth in a rat model in order to link the two hypotheses. Methods Sprague-Dawley outbred rats were randomly administered a vehicle or Campylobacter jejuni strain 81-176 by oral gavage. Three months after clearance of the infectious agent, rats had a stool consistency evaluation. After euthanasia, lumenal bacteria counts were measured via quantitative real-time PCR from self-contained segments of the duodenum, jejunum, ileum, cecum and left colon. Adjacent sections of bowel were fixed in formalin for evaluation of intraepithelial lymphocyte counts. Results Three months after clearance of Campylobacter infection, 57% of Campylobacter infected rats had some alteration in stool consistency compared to 7.4% in mock-infected controls (P < 0.001). Among the rats that received Campylobacter, 27% had evidence of bacterial overgrowth by PCR. These rats also had the highest prevalence of altered stool form and had lower body weight. Consistent with post-infectious IBS in humans, bacterial overgrowth rats demonstrated a significant increase in rectal and left colon intraepithelial lymphocytes. Conclusions Acute infection with C. jejuni 81-176 precipitates alterations in stool consistency, bacterial overgrowth and rectal lymphocytosis consistent with findings in IBS patients.
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Consistent with post-infectious IBS in humans, bacterial overgrowth rats demonstrated a significant increase in rectal and left colon intraepithelial lymphocytes.
So why doesn't that, (the event highlighted in red), meet the clinical definition of lymphocytic colitis?

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It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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Probably because they dont want to get conventional GIs mad who insist bacterial overgrowth, food, probiotics etc have nothing to do with IBS, IBD or whatever else you want to throw in there.

It is quite unfortunate that Drs are not more open minded... what else could we look at/try instead of popping a pill? Maybe an antitbiotic that is localized in the gut (Xifaxan sp?) to qipe out all the bad guys and then a course of probiotics to repopulate the colon and digestive tract.

Do most DRs do bacterial overgrowth or is it something that needs to be sent into an "unconventional lab."
Dr Fine test shows positive for gluten and casien but negative for soy, eggs, and yeast
Maybe its UC maybe its MC? Who knows at this point, but at least I know my intollerances now... so heres to the road to healing!
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thedell19 wrote:Probably because they dont want to get conventional GIs mad who insist bacterial overgrowth, food, probiotics etc have nothing to do with IBS, IBD or whatever else you want to throw in there.

It is quite unfortunate that Drs are not more open minded... what else could we look at/try instead of popping a pill? Maybe an antitbiotic that is localized in the gut (Xifaxan sp?) to qipe out all the bad guys and then a course of probiotics to repopulate the colon and digestive tract.

Do most DRs do bacterial overgrowth or is it something that needs to be sent into an "unconventional lab."
Most Drs don't do bacterial overgrowth. Meaning they don't understand it, don't check for it and most definitly don't treat for it. I got lucky (in one respect) and found a Dr who did. Unfortuneatly for me it seems that there is some underlying cause that keeps it coming back.

So it would seem that just treating it with an antibiotic and then a probiotic won't always be the only answer. I wish it was. After seeing this problem persist in me and learning more about epigenetics I think that there are a few things that need to be looked at. I'd guess these would be the same for a lot of diseases.

1) Mind/body connection or missconnection in the case of a chronic disease.
2) Epigenetics.
3) And related to 2, environmental issues.

Without addressing (or at least investigating) all three to some degree some won't get better.

I've seen 1 brought up a bunch of time, especially by Mathew and Polly I believe, but also I've seen it mentioned here and there by others. Never really caught on to this and just thought of this as mumbo jumbo until now. Just something as simple as believeing something can help you will be of help here. But working on relaxation or even breathing exercises helps get the body into a state where it can heal instead of be on ready for the next "attack".

I'll go into 2 just a bit, but I finally saw this show and was very very facinated by this subject on multiple fronts. I'll talk more on the thread about the show when I get a chance.

And finally 3 has been brought up here and there as well. Our bodies are taking in various chemicals that it hasn't had to before. And due to 1 and 2 above we're not getting rid of this burden and I believe that this breaking us down further. I keep on going back to thinking that our bodies are telling us something and we're not hearing it. Why would the body choose to constantly expell something (diarrhea)? Because there's something there that shouldn't be there, seems it's doing what it should, but for some reason or another it cannot expell what it deems toxic to the body.

Anyway, I seem to have gone off the topic just a bit. :)

Thanks for reading thus far,
Mike
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Have you seen this study?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entre ... stractPlus

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Joanna,

That's a good find. Thanks. The results of that study are not surprising, (to us), of course, but it's good to see it confirmed.

Would you mind adding that link to the "Current Research" forum and/or any other forum you deem appropriate, for the benefit of newbies and anyone scanning for related information?

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