Epigenetics, And What I Think It Means To Us

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Epigenetics, And What I Think It Means To Us

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Hi All,

Has anyone here been keeping up with the research that's going on in the area of epigenitics? I happened to run across a show on PBS that was aired last night, called, "The Ghost in Your Genes", that dealt with that topic. I missed the first part of the show, but what I did see, totally captivated my attention. It was extremely fascinating, to say the least, since it was the first practical data that I had seen on the subject, and the evidence was very compelling.

According to Wikipedia:

Epigenetics is a term in biology used today to refer to features such as chromatin and DNA modifications that are stable over rounds of cell division but do not involve changes in the underlying DNA sequence of the organism.[1] These epigenetic changes play a role in the process of cellular differentiation, allowing cells to stably maintain different characteristics despite containing the same genomic material. Epigenetic features are inherited when cells divide despite a lack of change in the DNA sequence itself and, although most of these features are considered dynamic over the course of development in multicellular organisms, some epigenetic features show transgenerational inheritance and are inherited from one generation to the next.
Basically, epigenetics deals with how genes are switched on and off. What that means is that some of the health problems that you are experiencing today, may be due to some event that affected one or more of your ancestors, and it can occurr without following the patterns known to be attributible to the human genome, by current definitions. Conversely, if you live to be over 100, your longevity may be due to something that occurred during the life of one of your grandparents, or even great-grandparents, not because you, or any of your ancestors, were carrying a longevity gene. The effects of epigenetics can easly skip generations, so that even though your parents did not carry a certain gene that might enable a certain health issue, you might still inherit that effect from one of your grandparents, by means of one of the concepts of epigenetics.

For example, the PBS show included research done on a small isolated Swedish community, where detailed health records have been kept for hundreds of years. Researchers determined, for example, that if a male had lived through a severe famine, (usually due to crop failure), prior to the age of 10, then his male grandchildren lived much longer than their corhorts, and much longer than their parents, or grandparents. The correlation was very high. I didn't take notes, but I'm thinking that it was something like around 85%. (Someone please correct me here, if I'm off with that statistic). IOW, a bad event caused a good effect in the third generation. On the other hand in the case of females who experienced those same famines, the effect on their grandchildren was negative, resulting in increased disease, again with a very high correlation.

Okay, so why am I posting this on an MC discussion board? Well, mostly because I can't help but wonder what event in our grandmothers' lives might have caused us to end up with MC. This is just wild speculation, but maybe the reason that cancer and so many other diseases are running at epidemic levels within our generation, is because of the severe hardships that our grandmothers suffered during WWII, when they had to deal with food rationing, various supply shortages, the loss of many sons, husbands, brothers, and fathers, and a general sense of hopelessness, due to the war. This was the first generation, I believe, where women also had to take on the difficult industrial jobs that were traditionally handled by men, because of a shortage in the workforce, and of course this work was in addition to their customary duties, (which entailed a heck of a lot more physically demanding work than today, due to the lack of so many of the appliances and conveniences that we have today). This had to be a very, very traumatic time in their lives.

I would point out, for example, that celiac disease, Crohn's disease, UC, MC, and various other GI diseases, seem to be most prevalent in countries whose residents suffered severely, either physically, or emotionally, during that war. I realize this is kind of a far-fetched idea at this point, but as research in this area proceeds, I have a hunch that a lot of mysteries will be resolved, concerning health issues, and health benefits.

Here is some info on the PBS show:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/genes/

The bottom line is, I think that this will eventually be shown to be the reason, for example, why even though a high percentage of people of European descent carry celiac genes, only a very small percentage of us ever actually present with the symptoms of gluten sensitivity, and/or MC, celiac sprue, Crohn's disease, UC, or whatever. IOW, we just happened to be the third generation descendants of women who experienced severely traumatic events, which affected their health, during their childhood.

Did anyone else happen to see that PBS show. Any thoughts?

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HI Tex,

Not something I have previously been following but also saw the show last night and was extremely absorbed and captivated by it. Will be something I follow more closely. If anyone gets the chance to see it on a replay, it would be well worth your time.

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Hi Maggie,

Here's an example of why I think this concept applies to us, and our health issues: My paternal grandmother was born in 1884. That means that before she reached the age of 10, she lived through some of the worst blizzards, (during the 1880s), and the worst drought and financial panic in history, (in the early to mid 1890s.

If the epigenetic theories discussed in that PBS presentation are on target, then it's no wonder that my guts are a mess. On the positive side of the ledger, my paternal grandfather was born in 1882, which means that he also experienced most of that, before the age of 10, so maybe I'll gain a few more years of longevity from his experiences.

I definitely plan to view it again, if/when they re-run it.

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The part about the Swedish famines made the hair stand up on the back of my neck. I wish I were younger so I could live long enough to see where this is all going.

There was a cover story about epigenomes in Discover magazine about a year ago. It had a lot of the same information.

I ate gluten every day of my life for 62 years. I caught a bad virus and it changed my epigenome in such a way those gluten genes got turned on. I'll never eat it again. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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Not to dispute anything you are saying but, what about those of us younger people who are experiencing the same problems. I personally am 47 and my grandmother was younger than yours. Those of us who are younger than I am, their grandmothers are younger than mine. You get my meaning?

I find this train of thought very interesting but wonder if in each of our generations, we find things that are tramatic in our lives. ( i.e., the war in Iraq for MY grandchildren, etc.)

Each of us find trauma in our lives that will affect us in individual ways - each of us reacting in a different manner. Would this mean that if we react tramatically, our grandchildren might be affected but those who live a hum-drum, I don't care attitude life will have grandchildren NOT affected? Interesting - now, I'm lost!

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Hi Mars,

First of all, remember that anytime I make "projections" of this sort, I'm just thinking out loud, and making a WAEG, and none of it is chiseled in stone. To correlate your own situation with the people in that Swiss community where the study was done, for example, you would have to look at what happened during the first ten years of life for your paternal grandparents. In order for an event in one of their lives to have an effect on your epigenome, they probably would have had to live through an event that was sufficiently adverse that it actually significantly physically altered their health at the time, and had permanent effects. For example, a severe famine would undoubtedly have caused malnutrition of such magnitude that it actually stunted growth and caused related health problems, possibly to the extent that it shortened the lifespans of the individuals who lived through it.

I'm not sure that stress alone is sufficient to cause a transgenerational effect that can skip over a generation. It may make the situation worse, of course, but I believe that actual physical damage to one's health is probably necessary, in order for an epigenetic effect to be generated. It's possible that chronic stress might trigger events in a succeeding, (contiguous), generation, though.

There's no telling what kinds of connections will be found, though, as more and more data are analyzed. I believe it is already "known", for example, that the use of many, (possibly all), drugs, (including alcohol and nicotine), have an epigenetic effect on succeeding generations. I'm not sure that any of these effects have been accurately cataloged, yet, however.

Apparently, the events that occur early in life, (during childhood, when the body and brain are developing), seem most likely to convey profound effects, and anything that happens after the child-bearing years cannot have any effect, obviously.

I would think that someone who goes through childhood suffering from untreated celiac disease, (or MC), for example, would run a very high risk of passing along adverse epigenome characteristics.

Of course, I could be all wet.

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News to me and very interesting! Thanks.

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Wayne,

I saw the same show and was fascinated. I think you missed one point. The event in females had to happen in utero (before birth) and the men were effected early in life. The reasoning is that it happen when the eggs and sperm are being formed in the respective paternal grandparents. This doesn't change anything you've said, just the timing.

BTW, who's young enough here to have their grandparents bearing children after WWII? My dad fought in it! LOL

Regardless, it's interesting that some event could trigger a reaction two generations later. I was scared by the realization that something like pesticides from the 50-60's could effect generations to come. Made me kind of happy that I don't have any sons so I can't pass on anything by my bad behavior.

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Jean,

Thanks for the clarification. I missed roughly the first half of the show, and if I saw it, the points you brought up, didn't register. I might have been half-asleep, since I viewed it between 1:30 and 2:00 am, if I recall correctly.

I'm confused on one issue, though - while it's true that the availability of eggs is limited, (since they are all formed before birth), sperm is not normally produced until the advent of puberty, (IOW, after the age of 10), and the effective window of opportunity for males closed at approximately the age of 10, according to the analysis of the data presented on the show; and, for all practical purposes, there is no fixed limit on sperm production, once it is initiated. IOW, I can easily see how the females epigenomes could be affected, but the connection is not so obvious with the males, though it clearly must be somehow linked with the development of the reproductive system.

You've been behaving badly? Hahahahahaha.

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I do believe my grandparents had their children after WWII- I think my parents would be mad by me saying "I think." My Dad just missed the Vietnam draft so born roughly 1956- pre WWII- but right around the time of the Korean War.
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