Looking for advice, re:Pebbles and allergies
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Looking for advice, re:Pebbles and allergies
I am at a loss now. Poor Pebbles is scratching all the time. So far the vet has had me change her food three times. Now the original dog food she was on, she liked, but her stools were at times mucussy. They changed her to duck and potatoe by Eucaneeba (sp), she liked it, but her allergies to me were worse, even though it was a hypoallegenic type food. So then we went to same brand but with fish. She ate it, but eventually would not touch it, her stools were fine on it, the food would go bad. I ended up throwing it out all the time. So then I went to the pet store to look for allernatives, no additives, all natural, and a protein source that she had not had. I found one brand that was great, she ate it a few times then, nothing. She would gobble down the food I started making her from scratch though. Her own food, I tried bisson, with new fresh potatoes, great, but it is hard to buy bisson here. I have tried different cuts of beef, but found more allergy reactions. Then I tried only grain fed beef, actually veal. More reactions. This is still with taking an allergy pill that was none steroidal, so without it, it would have been worse. Now I have tried extra lean ground chicken, with mashed potatoe and sweet potatoes and fresh carrots. Stools are fine with this, but she has turned her nose up to it, after only eating it three times. Aghhh!
She will eat fillet of sole, or haddock, with mashed fresh potatoes, and that seems to be okay. But again, she will eat a few times then won't.
My vet this morning gave me some of the steroidal pills to give her besides the other pills and then we have to go back once again for a check up, and her boosters are due anyway.
They were not too happy when I told them that I was home feeding her, and returned 10 cans of the fish mixture by eucaneba. They told me she will need a supplement, which I agree with, but not on the dog food part.
I was going to suggest that to them anyway. As it is hit and miss to figure out what they need. Now someone that was visiting the guys here told me that he went through similar problems with his dog and his vet told him he could give him all kinds of pills to help it but good old cod liver oil should be the first thing he should try. And it did, his dog no longer scratches or bites his feet and so forth. So I bought some today, to put on the food that she is turning her nose up too. Aghhhh
The dog food I have bought from the vets was not cheap either, and I would have to buy dry and canned, each time it came to about 65.00. So it was not cheap. I gave the dry dog food to my daughter for Nova, who will eat anything, and this morning returned the remaining cans. But with the dry dog food, I lose money everytime. I do not have oodles and oodles of money to keep doing this. Besides going to the vet for rechecks that come to 45.00 a visit. I still have about 5 cans of dog food and an unopened bag of dry to bring back to the pet value. The cans were 3.00 each, and the dry food was about 15.00, so still not cheap.
Then there is the contraversy about vets pushing the brands of dogfoods they carry, and no others are worthy of their stamp of approval. The the pet food stores telling me all the things that are wrong with that dog food. Who do you end up believing. Hence trying to make my own. I mean when we were kids, dogs got scraps from the tables, and rarely did you actually buy dog food, and our dogs did okay, right? But I am worried because Pebbles is getting up there in years, and she is my best bud.
The other thing that I have also done was buy the medicated shampoo from the vet, I think it is an 8 oz bottle and cost almost 18.00. Now my shampoo doesn't even come close to that, and then there is the soothing rinse made from oatmeal, also cost the same. I do notice that she feels better after a good shampoo though.
Right now the places she is worse is under where her tummy is, bottom of her tail, and the insides of her legs. All areas that touch the grass where she loves to lay down on. Sooooo, I and my vet agree that she has more allergies then just some food, and is allergic to allot of allergens in the air and on the ground. Can't get away from them. I am just wondering if its more from that then the food, and that she is just getting fussy when it comes to her food. She does not have all her teeth, she just had them cleaned last fall, and had a few pulled, and has lost some because of her age too. So the food has to be softer, or a mixture.
Has anyone had anything similar to happen to their pets? And what did you do?
Right now since I have had to put out close to 600.00 for my glasses and contacts, I just can't afford to keep going back to the vet every other week. I have spent about 3-400.00 since the spring just with visits and pills and food changes. I think it would be good for her if I made her dog food. When I make her food, I put one cup servings in freezer bags and freeze part of it to always keep it fresh. But I am still floundering around. The other thing is to have her allergy tested, but I cringe to think of how much that would cost. Has anyone did that with any of their animals.
Anyway, I am open to any suggestions.
Right now I am just frustrated and feel so bad for Pebbles.
Gentle hugs
Wendy
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Hi there....When I worked at the Humane society in Oklahoma we had a few dogs come thru there with allergies. You may think it funny and it may cost a bit more...but here's what we did....we either boiled or fried in a non stick pan ground turkey...if you have to use any oil at all use olive oil to fry but only enough to keep it from sticking but you can put water in the pan and do it that way. Then twice a day we gave them yogurt. There's something in the yougurt that seemed to help them. But our vets also gave an antibiotic also. Try not to give baths very much as loss of oil on skin will make her itch also. But when I did bath the dogs I made a tea from chamomile and diluted it and after the last rinse I rinsed with the diluted tea. You can also make some really lean ground beef the same way you do the turkey. If she has to have dry food included...get a real good lamb and rice content...read ingredients and make sure there's not a lot of cereal in it. Hope this helps somme. Love Oma
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Curious - have you tried antihisimine for the itching? I had a dog that was allergic to the grass - can you believe that! Antihistimine helped with the itching and allowed her to heal the sore/raw spots.
Hope you find something that helps soon!
Hope you find something that helps soon!
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Its funny you saying to use ground turkey, in fact that is what she is having today. Extra lean, with mashed potatoe and some sweet potatoe, and she does like it. I also bought some cod liver oil today, to put in her food. I have read that adding some flax seed oil is also good. I have been reading up on what is healthy to add to help their coats. So far she does okay with the turkey and the fish, although with the fish I don't put the sweet potatoe. I have also read at one site that adding some pumpkin is good for them, and has something that prevents the runs. She likes carrots too. I am staying away from things with any additives or fillers. I think that part of the problem with the dog foods that they had me use was the heavy amount of cereal in them, her stools were full of mucus. I also know exactly what is in her food, and when she has a reaction it is easy to see in her stools. I also would not have understood any of the relation with food and mucus in her stools if I didn't have CC too. Perhaps she is gluten intollerant, I have been really thinking that might be part of her problems. It did start when I had to go to a different dog food that she had, had since she was a puppy, when I moved out west. The thing is that it was Iams, and the dogfood that they had me change to is from the same company. But that is when the itching first started, so that is why I am thinking this way.
It is not as hot today, as it was anyway. Today it is 38 or 100 with the humidex. That is better then 111, anyway.
Hugs
Wendy
It is not as hot today, as it was anyway. Today it is 38 or 100 with the humidex. That is better then 111, anyway.
Hugs
Wendy
My girlfriend some years back had a dog that practically scratched it's skin off. The dog also had terriable excema. She had to board her dog, and her regular place was full. So she took the dog to a new vet and boarding place and when she got back after a week or so her dog was cleared up with no more scratching. It turned out that the dog had something in his ears. I'm not sure if it was bugs or what. They treated him and he got all better. So maybe it's not allergies.
My cat also went through something similar. Turns out he was so allergic to flees that he would bite and scratch so bad that there where no fleas.
But, after treating him with advantage he got all better.
Hope this helps,
Roni
My cat also went through something similar. Turns out he was so allergic to flees that he would bite and scratch so bad that there where no fleas.
But, after treating him with advantage he got all better.
Hope this helps,
Roni
Hi Wendy,
I have to agree with you. I'm not so sure that diet is the primary problem. Vets make a fortune off those special brands of products that they promote. I find it difficult to believe that a dog would be allergic to meat, especially so many types of meat. Has the vet absolutely ruled out the possibility of mites, including microscopic-sized mites? Maybe you should consider trying a different vet.
The grass could definitely be a problem. The skin on my legs will get extremely itchy if it comes in cotact with grass, or the dust that rises when I walk through grass, but I have never been sure if it is an allergy to the grass itself, or irritation due to some types of mites or possibly some other microscopic organisms that live on the grass.
Hugs,
Wayne
I have to agree with you. I'm not so sure that diet is the primary problem. Vets make a fortune off those special brands of products that they promote. I find it difficult to believe that a dog would be allergic to meat, especially so many types of meat. Has the vet absolutely ruled out the possibility of mites, including microscopic-sized mites? Maybe you should consider trying a different vet.
The grass could definitely be a problem. The skin on my legs will get extremely itchy if it comes in cotact with grass, or the dust that rises when I walk through grass, but I have never been sure if it is an allergy to the grass itself, or irritation due to some types of mites or possibly some other microscopic organisms that live on the grass.
Hugs,
Wayne
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Actually Wayne, there are 3 vets at the place I go to. And one of the vets did suggest that it could be dust mites, other then food. Its just that food is the first thing that they change when it comes to allergies in dogs, or so I was told. I have an allergy to dust mites and I know how hard it is to avoid them altogether. She had suggested that I get Pebbles to sleep in another room (not likely) to see if perhaps it is from sleeping on my bed. She said to take and really fluff up or stir up my bed and then let her sleep there, and see how she reacts, and then the next night sleep in another room and see if she is better. Well, my place is very small, there is not another room that is not going to be the same as my bedroom, without rugs and so forth. Sooooooooooo, it could very well be that. And the reason that I go to that particular vet is that they are close enough for me to take a taxi if I have to. I don't have a vehicle so I have limited access to get places, other then when my brother lets me use his car or drives me.
I tend to think that it has to do with outside, and mites too.
Thanks for all the suggestions everyone.
Hugs
Wendy
I tend to think that it has to do with outside, and mites too.
Thanks for all the suggestions everyone.
Hugs
Wendy
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Poor Pebbles
Hi Wendy:
I do know that terrier breeds tend to have skin allergy problems and any one of the things mentioned already can be causing it. I had a little guy that was a yorkie poodle cross and he had that problem and it did turn out to be food related. I studied cat and dog diets and found the things to be careful of are: chemical preservatives, wheat, and meat by- products. There is a good book out called Food Pets Die For and it's very informative. Pebbles could also be allergic to any of the other suggestions everyone has already talked about. Have you considered getting her tested for allergies? It couldn't be more expensive than what you've already put out in specialty foods and remedies and maybe you can get to the bottom of it so she can be helped.
I do know those medicated shampoos and oatmeal rinses do help, but if you could find out what she's allergic to it would all stop there.
Hope you are able to get help from a vet soon so you don't have to worry about her and so she'll feel better.
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I do know that terrier breeds tend to have skin allergy problems and any one of the things mentioned already can be causing it. I had a little guy that was a yorkie poodle cross and he had that problem and it did turn out to be food related. I studied cat and dog diets and found the things to be careful of are: chemical preservatives, wheat, and meat by- products. There is a good book out called Food Pets Die For and it's very informative. Pebbles could also be allergic to any of the other suggestions everyone has already talked about. Have you considered getting her tested for allergies? It couldn't be more expensive than what you've already put out in specialty foods and remedies and maybe you can get to the bottom of it so she can be helped.
I do know those medicated shampoos and oatmeal rinses do help, but if you could find out what she's allergic to it would all stop there.
Hope you are able to get help from a vet soon so you don't have to worry about her and so she'll feel better.
Love - Momster
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Wendy,
This website is about animal allergies and other problems. Try it to see if it helps. A friend of mine told me about it, that has a dog with a lot of problems.
http://www.nzymes.com
Hope it helps.
Love, KathyP
This website is about animal allergies and other problems. Try it to see if it helps. A friend of mine told me about it, that has a dog with a lot of problems.
http://www.nzymes.com
Hope it helps.
Love, KathyP
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Thanks, I am going to go to that site right now, and check out the recommendations. And Oma, yes I know ear mites can be a problem, and cause them to scratch allot, but Pebbles is fine that way. She goes to a groomer every 6 weeks and they so all that extra stuff with the ears and draining the anal glands and clipping the nails. And because of the skin sometimes getting little infections, the shampoo has got something in it to treat the skin besides cleaning it. You have to really soak it into the skin, for at least 2-3 minutes, and she seems to be more comfortable for the first week after, and any irritations that were getting infected seem to heal up. That is also why I put some flax seed oil into the dogfood, it is supposed to be great for their skin and their digestive system. The other thing is that with her being a shih tzu, she gets her hair brushed regularly and around her ears and eyes cleaned in between grooming. It is also because I know that sometimes a dog can get chronic ear problems, Bamm Bamm had allot of trouble with his ears for a couple of years before he died, if you didn't keep them cleaned every week, he would get an infection, and they had a funny smell all the time.
Also, this morning I got a call from my vet and they said that Pebbles doctor had gotten a supplement ready for Pebbles, and I could pick it up anytime. Then I asked how much was it, and they said there would be no charge at all for it. Hmmmm, so couldn't get it today, my brother will pick it up tomorrow for me.
But if everyone keeps giving me different tips, eventually I will land on one that works for her. I guess it is something like MC, trial and error to find out what works for you, we are all unique.
So is Pebbles. LOL'
Hugs
Wendy
Also, this morning I got a call from my vet and they said that Pebbles doctor had gotten a supplement ready for Pebbles, and I could pick it up anytime. Then I asked how much was it, and they said there would be no charge at all for it. Hmmmm, so couldn't get it today, my brother will pick it up tomorrow for me.
But if everyone keeps giving me different tips, eventually I will land on one that works for her. I guess it is something like MC, trial and error to find out what works for you, we are all unique.
So is Pebbles. LOL'
Hugs
Wendy