Hi All, I know that you have a place where these results are compiled, I just couldn't find it, so here we go.
ENTEROLAB TEST RESULTS
Fecal Antigliadin = 306
Fecal Antitissue Trans. = 206
Fecal Fat Score = 660
Fecal Anti-casein = 195
HLA-DQB1 = Allele 1 0301
HLA-DQB1 = Allele 1 0503
Serologic equivilant: HLA_DQ 3,1 (subtype 7,5)
NO CELIAC SPRUCE GENES WERE DETECTED
Some of these results seem to be way beyond the normal ranges. Does this have any bearing on the prognosis of my LC? I have read Dr. Fines FAQ section on his web site but still am a little confused. I plan on ordering the remainder of the tests soon, as you have stated that soy is another common sensitivity.
Hope this helps in some small way.
HOTROD
P.S. Hotrod is a nickname that I picked up due to almost 50 years of involvement with old 30's Ford hotrods. No more racing and terrorizing on the streets of L.A. for me. Just cruzzzzzzen.
Enterolab results
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Hi Hotrod,
I figured there was a good reason for the nickname - that's an interesting background.
Your test results for Fecal Antigliadin, (306), and Fecal Antitissue Transglutaminase, (206), indicate that you are very definitely gluten sensitive, and subject to autoimmune reactions due to gluten.
Your Fecal Anti-casein result, (195), indicates that you are definitely casein intolerant, and therefore intolerant to all dairy products.
Your Fecal Fat Score, (660), indicates that you have a significant amount of residual damage to your small intestine, (due to the gluten), which suggests that you may have some degree of malabsorption of nutrients. Your small intestine will eventually heal, as the diet does it's job.
I'll add your gene test results to the list we have set up at:
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2645
In case you're not aware of this, you can order additional tests, without sending in another sample, since Enterolab keeps samples for up to a year, I believe. Thanks for posting your results.
Tex
I figured there was a good reason for the nickname - that's an interesting background.
Your test results for Fecal Antigliadin, (306), and Fecal Antitissue Transglutaminase, (206), indicate that you are very definitely gluten sensitive, and subject to autoimmune reactions due to gluten.
Your Fecal Anti-casein result, (195), indicates that you are definitely casein intolerant, and therefore intolerant to all dairy products.
Your Fecal Fat Score, (660), indicates that you have a significant amount of residual damage to your small intestine, (due to the gluten), which suggests that you may have some degree of malabsorption of nutrients. Your small intestine will eventually heal, as the diet does it's job.
I'll add your gene test results to the list we have set up at:
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2645
In case you're not aware of this, you can order additional tests, without sending in another sample, since Enterolab keeps samples for up to a year, I believe. Thanks for posting your results.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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Thanks Tex and Joan,
Perhaps you could clear up something for me. Since I have significant small intestine damage, (villous atrophy) why didn't this show up on the blood work? Is this not the symptom or result of celiac spruce? How much damage does it take to be diagnosed with cs? Thankfully, I found you guys and had the el tests done because I was getting nowhere with my gi doc. (Although to his credit he did do the biopsy that led to my lc diagnosis) I hope you will forgive me if this is a redundant topic. I've read a lot of posts here but don't recall any info on this.
Hotrod
Perhaps you could clear up something for me. Since I have significant small intestine damage, (villous atrophy) why didn't this show up on the blood work? Is this not the symptom or result of celiac spruce? How much damage does it take to be diagnosed with cs? Thankfully, I found you guys and had the el tests done because I was getting nowhere with my gi doc. (Although to his credit he did do the biopsy that led to my lc diagnosis) I hope you will forgive me if this is a redundant topic. I've read a lot of posts here but don't recall any info on this.
Hotrod
Hotrod,
It takes major small intestinal damage before someone will test positive to celiac disease, using the classic diagnostic criteria. By the time the "gold standard" tests yield a diagnosis, a patient's small intestine is already a disaster area, with extensive villous atrophy, and sufficient antibody production that even the blood is saturated with them.
On the other hand, the tests at Enterolab are so sensitive that they can detect damage to the epithelia of the small intestine, (including the surface of the villi), before the damage is extensive enough that the villi begin to colapse. This is the basis of Dr. Fine's article, Early Diagnosis Of Gluten Sensitivity: Before the Villi are Gone.
http://www.finerhealth.com/Essay/
I've never seen a fecal fat score for a test on a known celiac patient, (before treatment was begun), but I would guess that the number would probably be up in the thousands, rather than in the hundreds. So to answer your question:
Tex
It takes major small intestinal damage before someone will test positive to celiac disease, using the classic diagnostic criteria. By the time the "gold standard" tests yield a diagnosis, a patient's small intestine is already a disaster area, with extensive villous atrophy, and sufficient antibody production that even the blood is saturated with them.
On the other hand, the tests at Enterolab are so sensitive that they can detect damage to the epithelia of the small intestine, (including the surface of the villi), before the damage is extensive enough that the villi begin to colapse. This is the basis of Dr. Fine's article, Early Diagnosis Of Gluten Sensitivity: Before the Villi are Gone.
http://www.finerhealth.com/Essay/
I've never seen a fecal fat score for a test on a known celiac patient, (before treatment was begun), but I would guess that the number would probably be up in the thousands, rather than in the hundreds. So to answer your question:
It takes a lot. Actual villous atrophy must already be present, and at a significant level.Hotrod wrote:How much damage does it take to be diagnosed with cs?
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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Well, hey! - it's a small world, after all. Though I don't work as an engineer, I happen to have a degree in mechanical engineering, and Katy, (kate_ce1995), is a civil engineer. As the old college of engineering saying goes, "When I started college I couldn't even spell Injunear, and now I are one". LOL.
Now I'm beginning to wonder if engineering is somehow linked to MC, since engineers are such a small percentage of the general population, and there are at least three of us on this board.
I hope you have a great weekend, too.
Tex
Now I'm beginning to wonder if engineering is somehow linked to MC, since engineers are such a small percentage of the general population, and there are at least three of us on this board.
I hope you have a great weekend, too.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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TEX, You're very detail oriented, now I see why. I've been a Fire Sprinkler Engineer for over 35 years. I enjoy my job and I like the fact that I'm helping to save property and peoples lives.
I also have Hypothyroidism and take Levoxyl. You mentioned that you recently switched medications (Armour) and that you feel better. Can you elaborate on that some for me? Since the thyroid gland works in conjunction with our other glandular functions, do you in any way think it is related to mc? I have read some about Lymphocytic Thyroiditis and Hashimoto's Thyroiditis (an autoimmune disease) and wondered if there is a common thread with LC.
Hotrod
I also have Hypothyroidism and take Levoxyl. You mentioned that you recently switched medications (Armour) and that you feel better. Can you elaborate on that some for me? Since the thyroid gland works in conjunction with our other glandular functions, do you in any way think it is related to mc? I have read some about Lymphocytic Thyroiditis and Hashimoto's Thyroiditis (an autoimmune disease) and wondered if there is a common thread with LC.
Hotrod
sweet! Now you know the problem... Get off that gluten and dairy and you should see results! They wont be huge results at first- but you should notice something 1-2 months into the diet. Other foods might cause some discomfort as well- I stayed away (and still do) from high fiber foods and greasy things. Try to eat bland and slowly work your way into new foods.
Your stomach will thank you later!
Good luck
Your stomach will thank you later!
Good luck
Dr Fine test shows positive for gluten and casien but negative for soy, eggs, and yeast
Maybe its UC maybe its MC? Who knows at this point, but at least I know my intollerances now... so heres to the road to healing!
Maybe its UC maybe its MC? Who knows at this point, but at least I know my intollerances now... so heres to the road to healing!
I don't know if any direct link between thyroid issues and MC has actually been documented, other than the fact that one autoimmune disease tends to make a person more vulnerable to other autoimmune issues, as well. Most autoimmune issues seem to be linked in one way or another with gluten sensitivity, and/or other food sensitivities, (especially casein).
I haven't been using the Armour long enough to have settled on a final dose, and so I haven't reached equilibrium, yet, but the reason I switched, is because the synthetic T4 resolved the labs just fine, (TSH and free T4 looked just fine on the test reports), but it never resolved my symptoms. The outer half of my eyebrows pretty much disappeared during a year of taking synthetic T4, (about the outer third disappeared before I started the treatment). I would gain weight at the drop of a hat, dyspnea, (shortness of breath), became a fairly serious problem, I had no energy, various aches and pains, etc. I've only been using the Armour for 20 days, so it's a bit soon to tell what the outcome will be, but already I seem to have more energy, less aches and pains, I'm breathing a bit easier, (I can take a deep breath again), and I don't seem to gain weight just by looking at food, (though I don't believe I've lost any yet, LOL). Armour might be old-fashioned, (which seems to make it unappealing to most docs), but it does contain T3, in addition to T4, in a 1:4.22 ratio, and I think that makes a difference for some of us.
Statics show the prevalence of thyroid issues to be approx 1 in 13, or 7.35% of the general population, in the US. If you look at our thyroid poll, 36% of responders have hypothyroidism, and 21% have been diagnosed with hyperthyroidism, that total is a huge number, (57%), when compared with the general population. Just looking at the diagnosed cases, 8 times as many of us have a thyroid problem, as the general population. That's an incredible correlation. I suspect that no one has "officially" researched this relationship, or surely this information would cause a lot of raised eyebrows, in medical circles.
Tex
I haven't been using the Armour long enough to have settled on a final dose, and so I haven't reached equilibrium, yet, but the reason I switched, is because the synthetic T4 resolved the labs just fine, (TSH and free T4 looked just fine on the test reports), but it never resolved my symptoms. The outer half of my eyebrows pretty much disappeared during a year of taking synthetic T4, (about the outer third disappeared before I started the treatment). I would gain weight at the drop of a hat, dyspnea, (shortness of breath), became a fairly serious problem, I had no energy, various aches and pains, etc. I've only been using the Armour for 20 days, so it's a bit soon to tell what the outcome will be, but already I seem to have more energy, less aches and pains, I'm breathing a bit easier, (I can take a deep breath again), and I don't seem to gain weight just by looking at food, (though I don't believe I've lost any yet, LOL). Armour might be old-fashioned, (which seems to make it unappealing to most docs), but it does contain T3, in addition to T4, in a 1:4.22 ratio, and I think that makes a difference for some of us.
Statics show the prevalence of thyroid issues to be approx 1 in 13, or 7.35% of the general population, in the US. If you look at our thyroid poll, 36% of responders have hypothyroidism, and 21% have been diagnosed with hyperthyroidism, that total is a huge number, (57%), when compared with the general population. Just looking at the diagnosed cases, 8 times as many of us have a thyroid problem, as the general population. That's an incredible correlation. I suspect that no one has "officially" researched this relationship, or surely this information would cause a lot of raised eyebrows, in medical circles.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Hi Hotrod!
I agree with Tex - autoimmune problems run together in families. Both my mother and maternal grandmother had Hashimoto's thyroiditis, and my grandmother also had rheumatoid arthritis. I have neither (so far) but, of course, do have MC. I don't think my gm had MC, but I'm not sure about my Mom. I remember her dashing madly to the bathroom frequently, and she spent much of her life staying very close to home - isloated there almost. When I ask her about diarrhea, she denies it, but then, folks didn't used to talk about things like that.
Congrats on getting the tests. And good luck with the new diet.
Polly
I agree with Tex - autoimmune problems run together in families. Both my mother and maternal grandmother had Hashimoto's thyroiditis, and my grandmother also had rheumatoid arthritis. I have neither (so far) but, of course, do have MC. I don't think my gm had MC, but I'm not sure about my Mom. I remember her dashing madly to the bathroom frequently, and she spent much of her life staying very close to home - isloated there almost. When I ask her about diarrhea, she denies it, but then, folks didn't used to talk about things like that.
Congrats on getting the tests. And good luck with the new diet.
Polly
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