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Jill, I think it's been proven that the tendency toward autoimmune is genetic. My mom, as I mentioned, has hypothyroid, and my grandmother has diabetes. There's also probably a link that the mainstream medical community doesn't recognize, between autoimmune issues and gluten sensitivity, although I don't know that that's been conclusively proven. The rate in the general population is that 75% of people w/ autoimmune are women. I think that is possible, but I think it's more likely that it's just more culturally acceptable for women to go to the doctor and get a diagnosis than it is for men.

When I did the genetic testing, I found out that I have two gluten sensitivity genes, meaning that I got one from each parent, and autoimmune does seem to run in my family. If you decide to do the testing with Enterolab, a gene test would help you to know whether you may have passed a gluten sensitive gene to your daughter, which might help her to know her risks for developing further autoimmune diseases. Or, if you find out that you have a gluten sensitivity gene, you might want to get her tested for it, since she has already dealt with one autoimmune disease. From what I understand, the earlier you treat a gluten sensitivity with a GF diet, the fewer additional complications you're likely to develop.

I wanted to mention that bc I've had symptoms since I was in high school, and I feel like if I had found out about the gluten sensitivity earlier, intervention with a GF diet might have kept me from developing
hypothyroid, celiac, MC, and fibromyalgia (like many of us, I have an autoimmune cocktail :roll: ).

Glad you're here. :bigbighug:

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P.S. Tex, correct me if I'm wrong on any of the above.
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Courtney,

To the best of my knowledge, you're right on the money with all of those statements, and I agree with you 100%.

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Hi Jill, I see you have been surrounded by a great big group hug from our mc family. I found them in Dec., and I can't tell you what a difference they have made in my life in that short time. I did the Enterolab tests as soon as they told me about them, and what a revelation! I, too, tested negative for celiac, but through Dr. Fine's tests I learned that I'm gluten, milk, soy, egg, and yeast sensitive. I've overhauled my diet and just started entocort yesterday. I too am hypothyroid along with this. I think Courtney and the others who mentioned autoimmune problems hang out together, are right. Just know, you can say anything you want here and ask any questions, and you will receive great, accurate advice. I am "a work in progress" with all this, but because of this board I feel very optimistic. By the way, my grandmother was a Leslie.
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thank you joann and kittyquartz for your welcome! i called my mom today and told her about all of yall and she commented on how happy i sounded. and she's right, i feel so much better emotionally today because of finding this forum and meeting you all. yall give me lots of hope and i'm thrilled to be part of the group. thanks again to all of you for your welcomes, kind words, advice and support. should my first step be taking all of dr. fine's tests? courtney, i agree about getting the tests for my daughter. by the way, can yall tell me how to get my picture or any picture next to my posts?
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Hi Jill,

The tests at Enterolab can save a lot of time and worry, about which foods are safe, and which are not, but be aware that they are sort of new technology, and so most insurance companies do not pay for them, though a few are beginning to pay for these tests. Also, many doctors are behind with their education, and they will argue that food has nothing to do with MC, and because of that attitude, they may not be willing to order the tests. If you can get a doctor to order the tests, though, then there is a chance that your insurance company may pay for them. If not, bear in mind that they add up to a lot of money, if you order very many of them, though you can get a discount, by ordering certain test panels.

As far as the avatars are concerned, if you just want to use one of the generic avatars, from the board avatar gallery, you can find the instructions on how to do that here:

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If you would like to have a custom avatar, made from one of your own pictures, just e-mail me a copy of an image file from a picture that you want to use, and I'll convert it into an avatar and upload it for you. If you have any special instructions on how you want the picture cropped, or touched up, or anything else, please add those instructions to your e-mail, and I'll do my best to create an avatar that you will be happy with.

If I didn't explain any of that well enough, please don't hesitate to ask for more details.

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Jill, if you go to www.enterolab.com, you'll see links on the side describing what sorts of tests Dr. Fine does. I believe most people start out with the Gluten Sensitivity Stool Panel Complete. I didn't start with that one bc I had already had the genetic testing done through my GI when I had my colonoscopy last summer. (They took me seriously w/ gluten bc I had developed celiac...unfortunately, as Dr. Fine notes, the mainstream medical community likes to wait until villious atrophy has occurred to do anything about it. *sigh*) In your case, that's where I'd start, though. They keep your stool sample for about a year, I believe, in case you want to order further tests. The tests are a bit pricey, so it's nice that you can wait and order others later, depending on your needs.

If you don't mind telling us, what sort of treatment have you been doing for your MC? Have you been on any meds or special diets in the past? I'm just curious to know what options your docs have offered you. This is a never-ending learning experience.

Glad your spirits are up. :smile:

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Welcome Jill! :wave:

This is the greatest site, isn't it? I found it shortly after my diagnosis and went from someone who felt entirely alone with this disease to someone who had a new-found family that would help me cope with it.

You've been given great advice from everyone. My only addition is to recommend that you keep a food and elimination journal so that you can begin to determine which foods are causing problems for you.

Some people find relief immediately by just eliminating gluten. Others, like myself, who have multiple intolerances, take longer, but can still find some relief through diet, medication (such as Entocort), or a combination of both.

I'm sorry to hear that you don't have a lot of support at home. My DH does the laundry and he saw "evidence" of my problem. The proof was in the laundry! LOL Maybe you should tell your DH to do the laundry!

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thanks tex and courtney. tex all that sounds too difficult for me so i will just go with a generic avatar. and thanks for the info on the tests.

courtney, thanks for the info. i will start w/the stool/gluten test. my husband will balk at the money i will spend on this, so i will do it in stages.
as far as treatments, here goes. my symptoms started ten years ago after the birth of my second child, however i've had stomach cramps/pains my whole life. so ten years ago i started having bad stomach cramps and D up to 20 times a day. i had to quit my job and i began the long road of going to the doctors. at first they diagnosed me with ibs and i took all of those drugs and of course they didn't work. i went to several different doctors after that to no avail. eventually i found a doctor who diagnosed me w/ mc. i tried all the drugs: asacol, cholestyramine, entocort, budesonide, prednisone, pepto bismal. i tried the elimination diet. nothing worked. for the last five years, i don't eat anything all through the day and at night before i go to bed is when i eat. now i just go to the gastro doc every two years or so for my scopes to make sure nothing has changed. i've gone to the emergency clinic twice over the years for i.v. fluids. i have episodes every few months that last five to nine days and they get really bad. i guess that is it. i'm lucky in the fact that i'm a homemaker and don't have to worry about working. do you work? and how often do you have episodes (or what do ya'll call them in here). thanks courtney!
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hi gloria, thanks for your welcome. i will begin again w/ my food diary when i start eliminating things. my husband doesn't do anything around the house, lol. he's a great dad, a wonderful provider and doesn't mind me not working, but in return i'm responsible for all household duties. i know he sounds like an ass, and i guess he is about all of this, but he's my husband and i still have both my kids at home, so you do what you have to do. we don't talk about it and i try to hide it all from him. he's learned not to say anything when i end up in bed sometimes. it really stresses me out; in fact i believe that the stress from that and the mc are what caused the fibro. you are right about this forum. i feel so much better already and can't wait to learn more about all of you. thanks again.
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Hey Jill,

I know your situation with your husband is really stressing you out...He sounds like he's probably a great guy in many other ways. Sometimes it helps to accept that that is the situation as it is, and as much as you can, ignore it until you can get better and get to a better place healthwise, when I think you'll feel a lot more able to cope with whatever else life throws you. Do you have anyone around though (a good friend maybe, or your mom?) who you can talk to about this and who can be supportive of you on your journey back to health? We do everything we can here, but sometimes it means a lot to have someone you can physically lean on, and I'd like to know you have a person like that in your life.

One silver lining in this, though, is that if you do all the household tasks, you probably do the grocery shopping and cooking, right? So you can begin to take care of yourself by purchasing and preparing foods that will be good for you. If you're doing the GF diet, you can make a basic meal of meat or fish(just make sure it's not injected), white rice (infinite varieties of that alone), and some well-cooked veggies (if your family likes theirs more al dente, just leave yours in the pan longer). Dee's Kitchen on the Forum Index has some great meal ideas! I bet they wouldn't even notice it's GF! (and you can go GF before you do the Enterolab tests, because the tests are so sensitive they can pick it up even if you've been GF for months).

I started having autoimmune symptoms in high school. The fall of my senior year, I started falling when I stood up, and I was diagnosed with hypoglycemia. I ended up seeing any number of specialists over the years (started with a reproductive endocrinologist of all things, bc I did not menstruate for a year--I think probably as an effect of not properly absorbing nutrients--he said I had PCOS, though I didn't match the diagnostic criteria, then I saw a urologist--she said I had interstitial cystitis, and a regular gyno for pain--he said I had endometriosis and did a laparoscopy, which came back negative except for adhesions attaching my lower sigmoid colon to the abdominal wall). I think most specialists just diagnose whatever they deal with a lot of, whether you have it or not. That was all before the D started, but I think my symptoms can all be related to MC or Celiac. When the D started when I was 21 I saw several GIs over the years, insisting that D all the time could not be stress or IBS, but they said of course it could. Finally, about 2 years ago I started having D accidents, and decided they were going to do a colonoscopy no matter what. So I saw one doc who was incompetent and just did an endoscopy, and then finally last July I found a GI who is better than some at least, and he said "Wow, you're really sick, aren't you?" and I was like "Duh!" So he did an endoscopy (from the top) and a colonoscopy (from the bottom) at the same time, and I came back positive for celiac and MC. I started the GF diet in August and found the PP in September, and the rest is history. I tried Entocort as well, but it didn't work for me either, so I am doing this by diet alone.

I tend to have most of my D episodes in the morning or at night, although I sometimes have them during the day as well. I cannot imagine what it must be like to have it 20x a day. At my worst, I don't think I ever had it more than 10x a day. I'm a full-time grad student right now, so I teach English 101 and take classes. This semester, though, I'm lucky to be done with coursework and now I'm writing my thesis, so I can be at home a lot and near the bathroom and the kitchen to prepare my own safe food. And to rest up from those D episodes, which I know take it right out of you (in many ways :lol: )

Hope that info is helpful! Take a look around Dee's kitchen! You will get some great ideas for getting started.

Love,

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Courtney wrote:I think most specialists just diagnose whatever they deal with a lot of, whether you have it or not.
:glassesclean: :thumbsup: Great insight! :lol:

I'm sure that doesn't apply to all of them, but I have a hunch that you're right about many of them. After all, who's going to question a diagnosis made by an "expert"? :wink:

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courtney, you are such a doll. and so young to be dealing with all u have and have had in your short life. i really appreciate all ur kind words, sharing your story and ur ideas and suggestions. i don't have anyone to talk to, but i'm used to that and i'm just so happy to have all of you now in my life. believe me i've adjusted to that part of it, but it is a great relief to find this forum. i am going to begin the gf diet as soon as i read up on everything, have already started dee's notes. the same thing happened to me to get the endo and colon scopes. i ended up in the emergency room w/ dehydration and then the doctor said the same thing urs did about '"oh u really r sick". amazing, isn't it? congratulations on your studies and teaching. i think what you're doing is wonderful. i can tell just how kind you are in just this short of time. i would be proud as punch of you if u were my daughter, your kindness comes through loud and beautifully clear. thanks again birthday girl.

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Tex, I know they're not all like that, but seriously I saw several different specialists, and they all tried to cram a diagnosis on me that fit their specialty, whether I actually had the appropriate symptoms or not. (And of course, the GIs just wanted to insist I had IBS). :roll: I've learned to be skeptical until I have proof. I know not everything can be quantified, especially when it comes to autoimmune, but I soon realized I was getting taken for a ride by some people who should've had their licenses revoked :lol: I didn't visit docs for a couple of years just bc I was sick of it all. For the celiac/MC symptoms alone I saw: a reproductive endocrinologist, a neurologist, a urologist, a gynecologist, and (finally) several GIs. I started thinking I really was crazy!

Jill, thanks for your kind words. We all support each other around here. :smile: I'm glad you're taking action with the GF diet, and I hope you see results from it soon.

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Courtney,

I hear you. Those guys made a small fortune from all your office visits, tests, and so fourth, and obviously, none of them provided any real benefits. Fortunately for them, ripping off patients is not considered to be malpractice - they would have to do something really bad, and really harmful, to earn that title.

When I left my GI doc's office, after he ran out of tests, and he told me that there was nothing wrong with me, I avoided hospitals for a long time, too, but a couple of years later, I broke an arm, and had to go back anyway. :lol: Of course, I went to the ER, not to the GI dept. :lol:

Men have a big advantage over the ladies, though - we don't have to support all those other "ologists", so we get off a lot easier, and we're able to escape their "clutches" and get out the door a lot sooner.
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courtney and tex i agree w/ya'll totally about going through every test in the world. i too avoided the doctors for years after all that!!!! thanks again you two for welcoming me so warmly.
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