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I make beautiful meals in the crock pot or pressure cooker,stove top , oven or barbecue grill . Last saturday while my neighbor and I were pruning back the wonderful grape vine that is kind of a hedge between our properties he said Wow, someone is cooking something good . I had a pot of soup on the stove and yes, it did smell good . Even in the back yard.

I love to cook good things that work for me on my variation of the paleo diet . I used to love to eat but lately just go thru the motions no matter how good it looks or smells.

I have maintained my weight at 165 lb. so feel great that way. With incredible weather I have been able to bicycle about forty miles every week end but come home, and can barely eat the plate of food I fix for myself . Had the same problem when I was in recovery but never , never imagined it would come back when I feel so well now an all my symptoms are gone.

Maybe I should just laugh . I won’ t ever have a weight problem. Or maybe I get all the nutrition I need from the wonderful food I do eat .

It’s just a bit disconcerting not to ever have any appetite!

Have any of my paleo pals found that they do not have to eat as much as they used to ?

OHHHHH well?

I am sure it will work out like everything else has!

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I'm really sorry to hear that you have lost your appetite. I've heard of that happening to others but I haven't experienced it myself for more than a couple of weeks after Bill's death. My Mother lost her appetite for several months after my Father passed away.

If you have experienced an emotional trauma within the last few months it might explain the problem. I hope that isn't the case, but surely something has changed since you seem to still be very active. Sounds like you are burning plenty of calories.

I hope you can figure out what is happening soon and please post when you do. It's a shame to make all that good food and then can't enjoy eating.

Good Luck........

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Hey Matthew,

No problem - just send all that good food to us. :lol:

Seriously, I'm sorry to hear that's happening, also. Maybe you just need some sort of a major change in your life to inspire you - a long vacation, a new, (or different), hobby, new friends, a sabbatical, (spent touring the world), or how about spending a year as a chef in a GF restaurant? What the heck? Open your own GF restaurant. You seem to enjoy cooking gourmet meals - that sounds like a match to me.

Please don't take this the wrong way, but I wish I had your problem - I have the opposite problem. :roll:

I hope you can find the key,
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Hey Matthew,

I have to agree with Tex - wish I had your condition. I love food toooo much and the calories do tend to stay with me.

I did see that you had been biking. I know when I was able to exercise hard I was not hungry for a few hours after working out. Could this be part of it????

Whatever the problem is I hope you find an answer to it. I've seen some of your menus that you have posted and they sound wonderful.

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Hi Matthew!

Very interesting development.....how long have you noticed it? I do know that protein is much better than fats or carbohydrates at keeping hunger at bay. And, if you're eating mostly paleo, then at least 50% of your calories are probably from protein. I know that I eat less on the paleo diet. If I eat protein at breakfast I often am not hungry until dinner. If you are interested, Dr. Cordain does individual consulations by phone which you pay for - see his paleo diet website.

Have you noticed anything else at all? Have you lost your "zest" for anything else (obviously not biking)? Have you been feeling a bit down? Are you stressed out about work/finances (and who isn't with this economy)? How is your sense of smell? That often lessens with age and causes one to eat less because things don't smell/taste as good. (Of course, you need not respond to these personal questions - just some food for thought from one who cares very much about you).

I'm sure the problem is not due to lack of variety, creativity, or taste, knowing the way that you cook. I'll be anxious to hear more.......

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Shirley, Tex, Jan and Polly

Thanks so much for your reply's. I am so thankful that my friends here have such thoughtful responses just when I need them.

Day after day I get calls from shops that I have done work for years that are about to have to close because of the economy. I go way out of the way to try to help them find work. Many times successful in that i know so many people that when gotten together can do the work by combining abilities. Maybe I just don’t realize how much time , energy and frustration that takes and what it is doing to me. Let alone taking me away from my work .Yikes!!!! thanks for the reminder.

But you are so right . It leaves NO time for me and thanks Tex. I think of the line from Monty Python ” And now for something completely different” Maybe I should just move on. Just the thought is like a breath of fresh air. Thanks!

I do eat lots of protein an the paleo diet . Maybe after all these years being successful with it I just don’t need to eat as much. I am not losing weight and clearly have plenty of energy. Thanks Polly for a new perspective. It never ocured to me. Duhhhhhh :-)

Thanks so much for your ideas . Its always an inspiration to come here!

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Mornin' Matthew!

Another thought.........are you still finding time each day for meditation and stretching? How about mindfulness? These are often the best antidotes for stressful living, as we have discussed in the past. You've always been an inspiration to me on this topic. Re Tex's comment about a change, how about a weekend (or even a week away) on a meditation retreat? Wouldn't that be renewing??? I might even consider it for myself! :grin: Even food would not be much of a problem if you went to a monastery.....they eat such fresh and simple foods.

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Thanks so much for your wisdom and advice.

I have kind of neglected the meditation and stretching. It does make a huge difference. Nice to have such a good friend remind me how it has helped me in the past

I love the idea af a meditation retreat. Just seems like the right thing to do right now.

Thanks so much again everyone .

Sometimes it only takes a gentle nudge to get back on track. So much easier than a whack up side the head when things have gotten to far out of hand.

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Hi Matthew!

Just wondering if your appetite has improved any?

Love,

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Polly and all-

Thanks so much for asking. I have been doing much, much better. After all the wonderful suggestions I began to realize just how inappropriately I had been reacting to perceived stress in my life. With the economy the way it is changing right now I spend more time trying to find work and get it into the shop than I do working . And still the work has to be done. And then there is always something else! LOL

So like I do when a complicated job comes into the shop , I go back to basics. So many times other woodworkers come into the shop and are blown away by my final product. “How did you do that???” Well I didn’t know how so I just start with the basics.

We have touched on it before and I think it bears repeating. I just have to make time to STOP. Be a little selfish . Take some me time . Forget about bills and taxes and work and laundry and cleaning and my sister’s pluming problem and devote some time to me. I know it seems a little selfish but I am worth it.

Last weekend was cold , snowy and not a good time to spend outside where I usually take my time to revive so I lay on the floor for an hour, stretching, listening to my favorite Vivaldi and Telemann Baroque Concerto’s that resolve over and over. Like a weeks vacation without the expense. So what if I didn’t get anything done.

Seems like I learned this lesson a few years back but it didn’t stick and I am finding the joy in learning it all over again.

That and a few new food combinations on the Paleo diet, skillet diners with some new kinds of safe spicy sausage along with the tried and true root vegetables an kale and I seem to be over the the hump and back on track.

I always have to laugh at how good it feels to feel good again.

Love

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Post by artteacher »

Hi Matthew,

I empathize. Do you think it's that we eat a limited group of foods (granted they're in different combinations) ?

Are you feeling well in other ways? no headaches, sleeping well, etc? are you having allergy issues?

Do you need new recipes? I have great one for tapioca flour muffins. I don't know if tapioca is paleo, though.

Although I'm not paleo, I still think we eat very similarly.

Lets Talk. Love,

Marsha

PS . . now I am editing this post, because I accidentally skipped one of your posts, and I see that you've pinpointed what's going on. Still, can we ever have too many special recipes!!!!???? Call me
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Mornin' Matthew!

I am smiling as I sit here picturing you back on the floor stretching and listening to soothing music. Good for you for taking time for yourself. And you ARE worth it, my very dear friend.

I'm sure the stresses related to the economy are weighing on all of us. It would almost be impossible to be immune from the economic turndown. At least I don't know anyone who hasn't been impacted in some way. But as you say, it is perhaps an opportunity to get back to basics, to see what is really important and what is "fluff". And maybe as more people begin thinking this way, talents such as yours will be more in demand.

I just saw an interesting study about the health benefits of music. Listening to good, soothing music (classical, country) increased a person's artery diameter by 25%. That's a huge amount. Also, listening to heavy metal music did the opposite - narrowed the arteries. So, keep on listening to those classics!

Remember, all of that mind chatter is just that - the worst case scenarios that the mind conjures up rarely come to pass......and if they do, they are never quite as bad as we imagine. Mind chatter is NOT reality. We can't stop the chatter but we can be more aware of it and take it with a grain of salt, or even humor. One of my favorite pieces of philosophy is: "Life IS painful, there is no question about it, BUT, SUFFERING IS OPTIONAL". Unfortunately, we humans are wired so that whatever the mind conjures up causes the related emotions to arise....whether it be fear, anger, rage, envy, etc. It is the chemicals that come with these emotions that do damage to our immune systems. And these emotions are not even occurring during real life - they are arising because of meaningless chatter in the mind! So, it really is up to us to take charge of our mind, to steer on own ship, so to speak. Of course, you already know that one of the best ways of doing this is to be mindful as much as possible......to keep steering your mind back to the present moment and what you are doing, no matter how simple or rote.

Hey, Marcia, I'd like to share more recipes. Please post the muffin one and anything else that you have discovered. Have you been to Elizabeth's paleo blog? I made her creamy salad dressing using the tahini, mustard, vinegar, etc., and really like it. I made a double recipe and have it in the fridge to use on potatoes, veggies, as a dip, dressing, and so forth.

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Yes! Doing the kind of work I do I have found that I have to reassess on a regular basis. Having done it so many times over the years it has become enjoyable rather than a stressful, flight for life kind or reaction. I have learned to look forward to how I can change my thinking, my doing and being.

After reading Jon Kabat-Zinn a few years ago and absorbing that “suffering is optional” really freed me to let go of so much of the mind chatter and to this day makes changes in my life, in my diet in my work more of a transition opposed to a drastic transformation or mind boggling upheaval.

If I had only known.

I have no doubt about the effects of soothing music, no matter the choice. It can be a few moments of letting and letting be, particularly when combined with stretching or yoga.

Thanks so, so much for your always mindful insights. I am always grateful to have found so many insightful people here.

Marsha

Thanks so much for your concern. I am back on track. Just never had that particular kind of disconcerting moment . I stay away from tapioca. It just does not work but I am sure others would love to have the recipe.

Always love hearing from you. You always have great ideas

To your continued recovery.

Love

Matthew
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Hi again Matthew!

I'm curious about your new safe sausage and skillet meals. Please share details. I am so hooked on the leafy greens - we have them at least 5 nights a week now. I love the bagged mixture from Glory Foods (I think it's kale and turnip/mustard/collard greens) and the mixed rainbow chard from Trader Joe's (I must not be the only one who loves it - I usually have to ask them to get some from the back because it's gone from the shelf). I have tried cooking greens in chicken broth and sauteeing them in olive oil with garlic but find I like them best when just plain steamed. How weird is that???

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