My Elimination Diet Trial

Post by **tex** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 2:02 pm

Mike,

You're right on the money. The distillation process is a gluten-free transfer.

Tex

Jean · Post by **Jean** » Mon Jul 11, 2005 7:11 pm

Mike,

You said that you didn't have the "foggy/drained/tired feeling". That's great!!! That is one of the symptoms of an intolerance. And lack of D!Seems like you are feeling better on the elimination diet. That's good, because you will be able to tell when you eat something that you are intolerant to.

Keep up the good work,

Love, Jean

mle_ii · Post by **mle_ii** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:35 am

Jean wrote:Mike,

You said that you didn't have the "foggy/drained/tired feeling". That's great!!! That is one of the symptoms of an intolerance. And lack of D!Seems like you are feeling better on the elimination diet. That's good, because you will be able to tell when you eat something that you are intolerant to.

Keep up the good work,

Love, Jean

Thanks Jean, Yeah, thought it was strange as I wasn't eating that much if any gluten or dairy before. Seemed like the cheese cleaned me right out. And D hasn't been a normal occurance for quite some time. My normal symptoms are pencil thin or no form stools, sometimes burning, achy lower GI, tired, incomplete evacuation, having to go multiple times and not feeling like I've gone enough.

Mike

mle_ii · Post by **mle_ii** » Tue Jul 12, 2005 9:38 am

Ok, I'm still not quite back to normal stools. Had 3 or so BMs this morning. First two were small amounts of pencil thin stools, but one larger more normal stool a bit later.

With that and no patience I decided to add the 1 cup of corn this morning. It was frozen corn. Actually pretty darn good. Had it around 7:30 am this morning.

So what symptoms do people see who have corn intollerence? And how soon?

Later,
Mike

Jean · Post by **Jean** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:19 am

Mike,

Hows the corn trial doing? I get bloated within an hour of eating corn and then D a little while after that. I ache for 48 hours. I need to spend the first day in bed if at all possible.

Love, Jean

mle_ii · Post by **mle_ii** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 10:56 am

Well, speaking of corn. At around 6:30 pm, about 11 hours after ingesting corn, I got a bad headache. Mainly towards the front and in the temple area. I had this until late last night, in fact I couldn't get to sleep until 3 or so am this morning. :( Didn't help that my daughter had a friend over and they were noisy. No GI/digestion issues this morning though. And no more head ache.

My wife isn't feeling so well, she was feeling bad yesterday and this morning. So perhaps I had a bug of some sorts. ???

Anyway I think it's the corn. Though I do eat this gluten free cereal that's made mostly of corn that doesn't seem to affect me. So, perhaps whole corn has something that the processed corn doesn't. Or perhaps something else set it off.

For now I'm taking corn off my ok list and I will try it again down the road. Though I'm only going to take whole corn off my list. That is unless I get a similar reaction down the road when eating the corn based cereal.

The only other things that were different were some sweetened rasperries, normally I eat unsweetened. Only said raspberries and sugar though. And some unsweetened blueberries.

I did have some raisens and a gf rice bar, but this was after the head ache started so I don't think they were the problem.

So I'm going to take today and tomorrow back to the base diet and get better for the next food item.

mle_ii · Post by **mle_ii** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:07 pm

Ok, still no GI issues.

So what do my symptoms mean? Only (ha ha) a headache, though it lasted a long time and was painful. And perhaps insomnia.

mle_ii · Post by **mle_ii** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:20 pm

Well, here's some info I found:
http://www.betterhealthusa.com/public/339.cfm

Lancet. 1979 May 5;1(8123):966-9. Related Articles, Links
Food allergies and migraine.
Grant EC.

60 migraine patients completed elimination diets after a 5-day period of withdrawal from their normal diet. 52 (87%) of these patients had been using oral contraceptive steroids, tobacco, and/or ergotamine for an average of 3 years, 22 years, and 7.4 years respectively. The commonest foods causing reactions were wheat (78%), orange (65%), eggs (45%), tea and coffee (40% each), chocolate and milk (37%) each), beef (35%), and corn, cane sugar, and yeast (33% each). When an average of ten common foods were avoided there was a dramatic fall in the number of headaches per month, 85% of patients becoming headache-free. The 25% of patients with hypertension became normotensive. Chemicals in the home environment can make this testing difficult for outpatients. Both immunological and non-immunological mechanisms may play a part in the pathogenesis of migraine caused by food intolerance.

Jean · Post by **Jean** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:22 pm

Mike,

The headache may be your reaction to corn, or it may be something else. You'll know next time you try corn.

For some reason, when you go through the elimination diet, your reactions to a food are more dramatic. Not exactly sure why. I think it's because you have been reacting all along, at a lower level. Then when you stop eating it for a while and then try it, the reaction is very obvious.

Jean

mle_ii · Post by **mle_ii** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 4:30 pm

One other note, I'm not sure that I react to tortilla chips or popcorn. So maybe just corn in it's "raw" form is the problem. Guess I'll have to look into that down the road.

Thanks Jean! Yeah, my reactions have been pretty severe thus far. Though corn products have been in my diet for a while, raw corn has not.

Post by **tex** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:02 pm

Mike,

Whole corn is pretty much undigestable by most organisms. Even cattle cannot digest whole corn, unless they are almost full grown, or unless the corn is ground, cracked, rolled, flaked, or otherwise fractured, and cattle have a much more sophisticated digestive system than we have. Chickens and turkeys do it by using pebbles to grind it in their gizzards. Though it is undigestable, whole corn doesn't make normal people sick, it just passes through them intact.

I could be wrong, but I believe that if you are intolerant to corn, you will be intolerant to all forms of it, and all derivatives of it. It is the zein protein in corn that we are intolerant of, and this is present in all forms of corn, and in all derivatives of corn, except, theoretically, the oil. Theory notwithstanding, most of us who are corn intolerant also avoid the oil.

Tex

mle_ii · Post by **mle_ii** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 8:57 am

Well, not much of a BM this morning, um, but I see corn now. So that's 48 hours later. Strange, I figured it would faster than that and that doesn't seem like much volume over the last 2 days to be 2 days worth of food.

Anyway soy would normally be tomorrow for the trial, but since I hate soy I'm going to skip and and go to rice, but then rice doesn't seem to be a problem for me. I might do something nice like the rice I ate the other day at the terriaki place, boy was that good. Gotta remember what kind it was. Or I might do cream of rice with some honey, perhaps some cinnamon. Mmmmm... LOL

Hopefully it won't be a problem as my older daughter has her 13th birthday this weekend and I want to be there for it all, no stomach issues, pretty please. :)

mle_ii · Post by **mle_ii** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 8:58 am

Oh and you're right on the corn Wayne, pretty much intact. LOL Gotta be good food for the flora in my gut though don't ya think?

Jean · Post by **Jean** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 4:18 am

Mike,

Now I see why you have GI problems, a 13 year old daughter! LOL

Seriously, you may want to postpone another trial so that you know that you'll feel OK for the birthday.

BTW, just because you don't like soy doesn't mean that you aren't getting it hidden in foods, see my soy list. You may still want to try it. If you react, it won't be much of a loss.

Love, Jean

moremuscle · Post by **moremuscle** » Fri Jul 15, 2005 7:34 am

I would not do the trial right before the birthday

Soy is "hidden" in foods much the same way as gluten and corn; sad way to destroy otherwise good food

I react to soy in a pretty serious way with Extreme Diarhea - completely w/o control. Last time I had soy it was in dark chocolate - most chocolates have soy lecithin as an emulsifier, sometimes it appears on the label w/o the prefix "soy", it will simply say lecithin - it is still soy lecithin.

Enjoy Life makes some chocolate chips that are soy free (and free of all our other ellergens). They taste half way decent and better yet, I don't get sick from them.

I have also found a bar of dark chocolate that is w/o gluten, dairy, and soy - I have forgotten the name right now but I will let you know if you are interested; it is available in a particular store here.

It is good to see that you've found a way to feeling better with Jean's elimination diet.

Love,
Karen