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Hi Everyone,

Awesome news! Remember a couple of weeks ago, when I wrote a post complaining that the medical community seems to be dead set on stonewalling Dr. Fine and his work? In a response to my post, Polly suggested that I send an e-mail to the editor of the newsletter that had inspired my post in the first place, and I did indeed send a rather long newsletter, contradicting in detail, the misguided claims of three esteemed doctors, who hold high positions among medical specialists dealing with celiac disease. Here is that original thread:

http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=9970

The July 4, 2009 edition of that newsletter came out today, and low and behold, we got top billing. How about that? I don't see a way to provide a link to the newsletter on their website, so I have copied part of it below, including the e-mail from a registered nurse, who agreed with our position, which Beth mentioned in her prologue. Hopefully, her publishing of these remarks will help to open some eyes in the medical community, and I'm very grateful that she chose to publish at least part of my remarks.
Dear Readers,Apparently I hit a nerve when I printed the response to Winfry’s question about the stool test and other testing done by Enterolabs. I received a very lengthy e-mail from Wayne Persky attacking each of the points made by the physicians who replied to the initial query. Unfortunately, I don’t have room to reprint all of Wayne’s comments here, but below is the gist of his reply. (I am including his e-mail in case you would like to receive a copy of the detailed analysis of his comments.)

Please note that I am not giving tacit approval for or against any position and reprint Wayne’s comments in the interest of presenting both sides of all arguments. After all, I am first a journalist and believe in balanced reporting. I do think it’s important to sort through the details however. Here are three points to consider:

(1) Medicine tells us that celiac disease is like pregnancy – you either are or you aren’t. The testing for true celiac disease is also black and white and the small bowel biopsy remains the gold standard.

(2) There is no “cure” for celiac disease and the only treatment at the moment is the life long adherence to a gluten-free diet. Since this is a major commitment and the results of not treating or intermittently treating true celiac disease can adversely impact one’s overall health, I still recommend this be ruled out before going gluten-free for other reasons. (That’s my opinion and it’s supported by conventional medicine.)

(3) Other suggested diagnoses and remedies are not “bad” and, if they help, then each individual should follow their heart, or, in this case, their gut. Lynn McGrath expresses it well in her reply which follows Wayne’s note.

Again, please note that all this discussion takes place in the interest of your good health and is not intended to slander or malign procedures or companies. Stay well! Beth


Dear Beth,I have been reading every issue of your newsletter for a couple of years, (ever since I discovered it), and I am always interested in seeing what you have to say, since I own and administrate a discussion and support board for microscopic colitis, (MC), and related issues, and those related issues most definitely include gluten intolerance, even though most people who have MC and do not have fully-developed celiac disease, (CD), (as per the official medical definition), will virtually always test negative to CD, when analyzed by the "gold standard" CD serology. Furthermore, over the years, many, many members of my discussion board have been very successful in achieving and maintaining total remission of MC symptoms by means of diet alone, while others, who are unable to achieve remission by using the conventional treatment prescribed by their doctors, usually involving treatment with one of the 5-ASA medications, or a corticosteroid such as Prednisone or Entocort EC, (budesonide), have found that they can remove gluten, (and usually casein and soy), from their diet, and thereby attain remission. Sometimes other food intolerances must be removed from the diet, but gluten is the primary offender. By doing so, virtually everyone who is a member of my board, (provided that they are willing to give the diet a fair try), is able to either achieve remission, or at least see significant improvement in their symptoms, by removing gluten and other foods from their diet, regardless of the fact that they might have received no benefits from the treatment prescribed by their GI doctor.

Therefore, even though I am well aware that you had nothing but the best intentions, when you asked those three esteemed doctors for their opinions on Enterolab, I was very distressed to see that you did your readers a grave disservice by printing, (which implies tacit approval), the gross distortion of the facts, that their response to you comprised. If you will review virtually any of the many celiac discussion boards out there, you will readily see that Enterolab has many, many satisfied customers, and to date, at least, I have never noticed a post by a single client who has found any reason to dispute their test results. I have absolutely no connection with Dr. Fine, nor Enterolab, (except as a satisfied customer), but I find the "official" position of the medical "experts", to be absolutely appalling, in this situation.
Best regards,

Wayne Persky, administrator
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(a couple of my e-mail addresses were listed here, in the newsletter)

Dear Beth,
I am responding to the question from Winfry regarding Enterolab. In my opinion, Enterolab is considered alternative medicine. I am a registered nurse and advanced practice nurse for 31 years. I respect the opinion of the very qualified physicians you had inquired with on behalf of this question and I am sure they base their answer on evidence based practice. However, there is a place for alternative medicine for some people. I personally was diagnosed 2 years ago by Enterolab with non-Celiac's gluten intolerance and Casein intolerance. It has changed my life and I now feel great excluding gluten and dairy from my diet. My history was 12 years of going to numerous MD's: 2 neurologists for the daily headaches and frequent migraines and muscle pain. My internal medicine doctor for hypertension, fatigue, weight loss/ malabsorbtion that got worse each year and she could find no reason for these symptoms, and an allergist for seasonal and food allergies. Not one of these MD's considered diet as a cause for my symptoms. Even after my skin test for the food allergies came back positive for wheat, barley, and rye, I was not told to exclude these grains from my diet. My blood test for Celiac's was negative (I had to request the doctor test me for this). It wasn't until I went for acupuncture with a traditional Chinese medicine practitioner that it was suggested that I was wheat intolerant. I do believe there are many people who are suffering from non-Celiac's gluten intolerance that are undiagnosed as I was. I have found that functional medicine and alternative medicine practitioners do consider diet in the evaluation of a patient and the symptoms they present with. I urge anyone who is open to alternative medicine to consider it if they are having a difficult time with being diagnosed as I was with Western medicine. I am living proof that there are those of us that are just as sensitive to gluten as Celiacs are and we are just as difficult to diagnose sometimes.
Good health to all, Lynn
Of course, she left out the controversial stuff, (my point by point unraveling of the doctors' claims), but at least she did include my e-mail addresses, in case any of her readers want to see the rest of it, and she gave our site a free plug, by listing the URL, in case anyone wants to check it out. All in all, this should help the "cause", to eventually obtain official medical community recognition of the spectrum of gluten sensitivity, outside of the strict diagnostic criteria for celiac disease.

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Way to go TEX!!!! You know it takes proactive, aggressive action to make your voice heard sometimes. It's wonderful that your action will now make available to even more people, whether out of interest or necessity the means to find out "other" forms of treatment for MC.

Our board has made it possible to find a means, no matter what course of action we take, whether it be medicine, diet or a combination of both to control the symptoms of our disease and to make life more enjoyable.

It's a pleasure and privilege to a part of this family and I am proud that our history of accomplishments can be read and applied to more and more of the public.

I hope that by publishing your email more and more doctors will take the initiative to consider that there are always other and more informed ways to treat people than what they learned in medical school. It seems that we have proven that!

Here's to US - the ones who have done the trial and error over a period of time and have proven that there is life after discomfort and misery to this thing called Microscopic Colitis!!!!! We may be the longest recorded medical trial out there!

Keep up the aggressive, proactive measures - it's working!!!!!

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Way to stick up for all us "non-traditional" gluten intolerant people!
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WOW!!! I am SO impressed!!!
Good for you, Tex.

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Polly deserves the credit. If she hadn't "egged" me on, I probably never would have done it. :wink:

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Tex,

FANTASTIC! Just got back from visiting MIL for a few days and saw this right away. Thank you so much for "carrying the flag" for us downtrodden. :yourock:

What a wonderful service you have provided for our fellow MCers out there who are being told myths and misconceptions about their disease by the traditional medical community. Now even more MCers (not just us here) will be able to find the path to remission. I'll be interested to see if you get any responses from physicians. If you do, and you'd like any fuel for the fire from me, I'd be happy to collaborate with you and use my name. However, you're doing great by yourself, that's for sure!!!!

Thanks so much for this and for all that you do daily for so many. You are THE BEST.

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Polly,

You're the greatest! The thought did occur to me that I might catch some flak from someone in a white coat, :shock: but that's probably unlikely to happen, because that newsletter is not posted on any website, (except this one). The newsletter is sent out to anyone who requests a subscription, but I seriously doubt that any physicians would be on the subscription list, and I have no idea of the size of the mailing list.

I definitely appreciate the generous offer though, and I certainly might come knocking on your door, looking for help, or a place to hide, if the fur should start to fly. :lol: So far, though, I haven't even received a single e-mail requesting the details of the rest of my e-mail, that was edited out.

I suppose we'll see what happens, if anything. :wink:

Thank you dear friend, but I happen to believe that you're THE BEST.

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BRAVO Sir Galahad~~~~~~am very impressed and :yourock: and will keep rocking the boat until this ailment gets its DUE!!!!!

U have been so dedicated to helping all of us--and U deserve to be honored!!!!

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Mornin' Tex!

Although docs may not see it online, I'll bet some of their patients will print it out and take it to them (like we do with Dr. Fine's articles). Of course, they will poo-poo it, but eventually truth will prevail, right???

OK, now, here is a very serious suggestion. Have you ever thought about writing a book about your experience administering an on-line medical info/support group? I have yet to see this subject in print, and I think it would be fascinating to many. Especially our website where we have info that people can't get from their docs. We are cutting-edge stuff here - part of the changing face of health care, IMHO. We have developed successful ways of managing a disease by incorporating the experience of hundreds of folks who actually HAVE the disease. There are so many wonderful "stories" here. We could get Sally to write the forward and everyone could offer suggestions for format, topics, insights, etc. I would love to collaborate on something like this. It would take time, but what's the rush? What do you think?

I know, I know, you're probably saying to yourself....."Geesh, first she wants me to respond to a newletter - now, she wants me to write a book"! Isn't she ever satisfied? LOL! But I do think we have such a unique experience (and service) here, and of course, we are always told that one should write about something one KNOWS. And nobody knows this subject better than you!

Love,

Polly

P.S. One chapter could be called "Always Carry a Porkchop in your Purse". Another might be "Cyber-Bullies (and how to stop them in their tracks)". LOL! What would you suggest? I think a book could not only be informative but also quite funny. Maybe we could even use that infamous thread about farts!
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Hmmmmmm. That's an interesting idea, but it's difficult for me to visualize anyone reading a book like that. First off, I don't have any credibility - I'm not a doctor, I'm not a writer, and I'm not a celebrity. So why would anyone want to read anything that I would write? :lol: Secondly, because of the subject matter, the potential readership base would be pretty limited, wouldn't it? Would anyone beside ourselves even consider reading it? Who would this be directed toward?

I've always thought that everyone should write at least one book during their lifetime, but in my case, I've never been able to figure out something that I might be qualified to write about, that anyone would be interested in reading. :shrug:

Hmmmmmm. There are a lot of possible ways to approach something like this, as far as the viewpoint/style would be concerned. If we were to do something like this, it might have to be done as an online book, since it's not likely that any conventional publisher would be interested in even considering it, I would think, unless we can figure out an approach that would widen the appeal to a larger audience.

You're thinking all the time, aren't you. :wink:

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I'd buy your book. Sign me up for the first autographed copy.

And being a student and sufferer of MC does make you qualified. More so than any Dr.
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Do it!!!!! You are very qualified!!!
I volunteer to help edit :smile:
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Well, with that kind of encouraging support, I may have to give this some serious thought. :headscratch: :confused: :what's_the_word:

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This site must be THE leading encyclopedia on MC and all related topics (just about everything to do with the gut and more). To me it is already like an online book. It is so full of insights about how the body works, science, the state of health care and the human spirit. And, for anyone reading it with an open mind, credibility shines through. All it is trying to do is help people and find the TRUTH (no financial nor egocentric motivation).

I assume the site is growing all the time - with new postings and every new member that joins (how many members leave?). As more people are diagnosed with MC, which I guess will happen as the medical profession becomes more aware and as baby-boomers age (and take colonoscopies after the age of 50), we will become less of a minority. It is possible that this site will reach a tipping point, especially with the publicity that is being (will be) attached to the site.

I am already in awe (and utterly grateful) for the time and dedication that so many give to the site, and especially Tex - knights in shining armor definitely come to mind! :cowboy2: If the site expands this will put even more pressure on those running the site - there are only 24 hours in a day.

Sorry I am rambling a bit here. I think a book would work, especially if it approached the topic as a GREAT DEBATE. Using the evidence of MC sufferers' experience and their medical histories combined with all the learned research on the subject. One focus could be on ways to narrow the odds of getting MC in the first place, which might have broader relevance to the general public.

IMHO the target audience could include: all medical 'students' (those studying to be doctors and those who are already doctors and have not closed their minds to a thirst for knowledge); all people who have had stomach upsets on a fairly regular basis; all parents of children with stomach upsets on a fairly regular basis, all involved in/believing in complementary medicine.

One tangential point about getting the "establishment" to pay more attention. I can see why there may be a financial disincentive for mainstream medicine and the pharmacy industry to champion diet as a solution to MC. But surely the health insurance industry, that one would assume wants to keep premiums competitive by reducing/preventing claims, would welcome effective ways to treat or prevent MC? Or am I being naive?

Best ant


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Well, Tex, there is definitely encouraging support! Sue has offered to help edit, Ant has already begun outlining possible approaches and target audiences, and we know that at least one person (nmm) would buy the book!

I really do think our target audience could be huge - with the increasing number of cases of celiac disease/gluten sensitivity. (See my post today on a new study).

Of course, the main problem would be TIME. Why don't you and I PM a bit to see if this might be a possibility?

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