Dr. Cordain on Paleo, modern diet and autoimmune disease

[ant]

Hi everyone,

As suggested by Tex I am posting this link here.

http://wildhorse.insinc.com/directms03oct2007/

This seems like a really good lecture on Paleo, followed by how genes and various modern foods can induce autoimmune diseases. The focus is on the causes and treatment of Multiple Sclerosis, but light bulbs started going off as I read it. Might do the same for others.....

Best, Ant

[mbeezie]

Just found this and watched it. It's a great explanation of lectins and autoimmune disorders.

Mary Beth

[JLH]

Thanks. I'll check it out and hope I understand it......

[Stanz]

Thank you so much for posting this link. What an amazing lecture, I really need to watch it several times to fully comprehend it.

This really begs the question - our doctors KNOW all this, or should, and still diet isn't on their radar screen. Absolutely appalling. I'd like to march up to OHSU and punch my rheumatologist in the face. Bunch of morons we pay a ridiculous amount of money to do nothing but make us worse.

[tex]

Connie,

The medical profession is the only occupation in existence, (outside of "ambulance-chasing" type lawyers, who work on a contingency basis), where pay doesn't depend on performance - they get paid the same amount, whether they benefit the patient, or kill them. Of course, most of them try to keep most of their patients alive, since the repeat visits are so lucrative.

Tex

[Stanz]

Oh, Tex, you have such a wry sense of humor.

[harma]

Ant, thank you for putting this here. I just have watched the video. I have to admit, I didn't get everything in it, but I could follow the basic lines. this puts everything together. Some scientist says MC may be caused by a bacteria (or virus), other says food (well that is what we are saying) and almost everyone will agree genetic predispose will play a part too. In his model he just explains why all three aspects play a role. This also could explain why some people get a certain immune disease and others don't. And why sometimes people have more than one auto immune disease. IMO this is the strongest point of this whole presentation, the whole story (the model), putting everything together and combining things.

What I also like about this guy is, with his findings he does not act if he has seen the light. As if he now has discovered how to treatment of MS. He knows what he is talking about, but he also knows it is complicated and that there is not just one answer. An open mind.

[Gabes-Apg]

tex
dont forget the doctors are 'educated' by pharmaceutical companies......

-Majority of research that is published is the studies financially supported by pharmaceutical companies
-post university study, doctors knowledge is 'topped up' by seminars run by pharmacuetical companies
-the governments only have funds to support patients based on taxes collected from medication sales

[Stanz]

Well, I could quote everything that Harma has posted here, as I completely agree. I have sent links to this lecture to everyone, it is really an important lecture, at least for me it was.

We can never

forget the doctors are 'educated' by pharmaceutical companies......

if we want to be well. I don't know if it is true here in the US that

governments only have funds to support patients based on taxes collected from medication sales

but I suspect it is so.

Is that truly the case in Australia, Gabes? If it is then we've a L O N G way to go.

[tex]

Gabes,

It's sad, but that's all true. We picture doctors learning their profession in medical school, but in truth, they mostly learn anatomy, nomenclature, and diagnostic practices there. The most important part of their training, the treatments, (using drugs, of course), they learn after they are out of school, and they learn this from the drug company reps, virtually none of which are MDs, or pharmacists.

-the governments only have funds to support patients based on taxes collected from medication sales

Now that's even sadder, but I'll bet that if this country's recent health care reform bill survives long enough, financing will be shifted in that direction, (how else can the government afford it), and it's one more reason why the cost of health care can only increase. Health care in our country is totally out of hand - only the wealthy can afford it, and yet, unless I am completely overlooking it, the huge health care reform bill that was recently passed, contains absolutely nothing to realistically bring down the cost of health care - the cost will continue to climb, only it will climb faster now, because more people will seek more health care, (since more people will have insurance, and when you have insurance, you don't hesitate to use it, because you're paying for it anyway). Right? Our grandchildren will end up paying for our health care, and our grandchildren's great-grandchildren will be paying for our grandchildren's health care. Our government's social programs are nothing but huge Ponzi schemes. Ponzi schemes are illegal for anyone, except governments.

A little over 4 years ago, I had a surgical procedure similar to the one I had two months ago. It involved a resection of the colon, and required a colostomy. The most recent surgery required an ileostomy, (which is very similar to a colostomy, but it involves the small intestine, rather than the colon. The most recent hospitalization lasted 2 days longer than the one 4 years ago, (7 days, compared with 5 days, the first time). 4 years ago, the bill was around $30,000, (I don't recall the exact amount). The bill this time was $92,559. Can you believe that - I can't. How could it cost so much more in just 4 years, for basically the same surgery, and only two more days spent in the hospital?

And it's not the doctor's fees that are the problem - the doctors fees were quite reasonable, IMO. They were only a small percentage of the total bill. It's the hospital charges that are completely out of control - they are just plain exorbitant, and there are no provisions in the reform bill to prevent those charges from increasing even faster, in the future. Are there?

Tex

[Gabes-Apg]

Most pharmaceutical companies that provide meds here in Australia are American owned.
New meds released in the States become released in Oz about 3 - 5 years later

I would have to research taxes on Meds and how much revenue goes to the Govt, and then look at Health Expenditure. I think my assumptions would be close. Drugs to treat conditions that affect a higher number of the population and that are long term treatment options are released VERY quickly to the market.

We can never Quote:
forget the doctors are 'educated' by pharmaceutical companies......
if we want to be well. I don't know if it is true here in the US that Quote:
governments only have funds to support patients based on taxes collected from medication sales
but I suspect it is so.

Is that truly the case in Australia, Gabes? If it is then we've a L O N G way to go.

Long way to go??? i dont think it we will ever get there.......
hence my belief on self research for self management, my other strong belief in stick with treatments/diet that work for me. they may not work for others... and what works for others may not work for me.

[Gabes-Apg]

further ponderings....

there is also the factor of the ego of Specialist ..... if they do research and get published, and give presentations on their research then technically they can charge more! This cycle is also controlled by the Pharmaceutical companies..... (funding their research protocol, running conferences for them to speak at, marketing etc)
young specialists are pushed to the belief that they are not successful unless they have been published etc.
being good at your speciality is not prestigious enough.......

i know there are professionals who are doing research not funded by the Pharmaceutical companies, if they do manage to publish their results, the pharmaceutical companies go on the attack (as they have the money to do that)
they couldnt afford for the population to think that diet or natural is better than drugs........