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Well hello all. I'm back after Long periods away. I do believe I've had Collagenous Colitis for around 10 years now. Mostly I've managed ok- with some long weeks, and sometimes months in 'remission', but always recurring D (even if manageable), with times of 'flare ups'that are not pleasantl. I have never taken any medication other than Pepto Bismol from time to time . I followed the SCD diet for a number of years-( that's when things were best) then slowly began to 'cheat' and eat gluten etc. over the past couple of years. Well I'm in a flare up right now and most uncomfortable. I bought ensure today to use over the next couple of days- I can't face anymore foods right now. I guess what I'd like is some input on is this:
- have I been doing myself harm never taking meds?
- I'm feeling like maybe I should ask my doctor for something to take for 'flare ups'. I'm afraid of steroids /do not want them, but wouldn't mind something for 'inflammation'.
- Has anyone here had this condition for as long as I have?- Or have I prolonged my condition by never taking meds???
I guess when I have a flare up I get worried and confused. I know there's very knowledgeable and sensible people here ( Tex and others ) who have given me good advice before.
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Hello Mia, I am fairly new here and have only been dealing with MC (CC) and Crohns for about 6 months now and was diagnosed just a month ago. Its great that you have been able to deal with this for 10 years with little to to no meds.

I am currently taking the Entocort, and while apprehensive at first, it was a good choice for dealing this flare. There are several people on this site who have managed this disease with alternative medical treatments and diets.

Overall each individual is different and will need to find what works best for them. As far as the Entocort it is a steroid that mainly stays in the intestines, with only about 10% actually making it into your bloodstream. That is important in that it is the amount that makes into the rest of the body that can cause problems. Entocort like any medicine is not without risks, but it is certainly better than prednisone.

Personally I am planning on finishing this course of Entocort while continuing a GF/DF/LF diet and then look into alternative forms of medicine like acupuncture.

Thanks for your post

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Post by mia »

Thankyou for replying Joe. I'll write the name down- Entocort- and discuss it with my doctor. One of the things I like least about seeing him though is that he always wants me to have another colonoscopy- Well, I read that people with MC (or CC), have a higher risk of the colon splitting during the procedure because of it being compromised by that layer of collegen - so I DON"T want one again- but I avoid my doctor because I feel pressured about it.
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Post by tex »

Hi Mia,

Welcome back. Sorry to see that you're still having flares after so many years with this disease. That pretty well proves that the claim made by many "experts", that MC is a disease that runs it's course in a few years, is totally incorrect.

Yes, we have quite a few members who have had this disease for as long as you, and longer. Many of the founding members have had it for more than 10 years, for example. Your other questions are much tougher to answer, though. I don't believe that any rock-solid answers exist, since this is uncharted territory. My personal opinion is that while a few lucky individuals may be able to enjoy spontaneous remission after a few years, the vast majority of us, (who have food sensitivities), have to maintain our treatments for the rest of our lives. A maintenance dose of medications can be used, or diet changes can be maintained, (or a combination of the two), but without following one of those plans, virtually all of us seem vulnerable to suffering repeated, (and usually, frequent), relapses.
Mia wrote:- have I been doing myself harm never taking meds?
That's an especially tough question, because not everyone with this disease has all of the same symptoms. According to research, MC, (whether treated or not), does not increase the risk of developing non-Hodgkins lymphoma, colon cancer, or any other known form of malignancy. On the other hand, there is a slight risk that it can lead to Crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis, but that would almost surely depend on an individual's genes. Without certain genes, one is not likely to develop the other IBDs. If the genes are present, then it would seem logical that the risk of the disease progressing into Crohn's or UC would be more likely, in the event that the MC symptoms are not well controlled. Obviously, that's just an educated guess on my part, since that relationship has never been researched, from the perspective of degree of control of symptoms. The risk of MC segueing into another IBD is very, very low.

Another issue associated with long-term exposure to the symptoms of MC, is the general tendency for longer periods of exposure to symptoms, to result in increased intestinal damage, which seems to make the task of achieving remission, a much longer, and much more difficult project, regardless of the type of treatment used. IOW, the longer we are sick, (with uncontrolled symptoms), the longer it takes for the intestines to heal.

Probably the greatest risk resulting from "inadequately" controlling the symptoms, is the potential for the development of other autoimmune diseases. Again, however, this may depend on the genetic makeup of the individual.

For a contrary opinion, consider that all drugs carry the potential for side effects, and all drugs involve risks. So it's certainly conceivable that by not taking drugs, you may have averted the development of some other issue, due to the use of drugs.

I can understand your aversion for steroids, and I agree that the conventional use of steroids to treat IBDs is best avoided. Most oral steroids become activated by the time they reach the stomach, so they are rapidly absorbed into the bloodstream, as soon as they pass into the small intestine, causing undesirable, (and sometimes severe), systemic effects. However, the active ingredient in Entocort EC, (budesonide), is encapsulated within an enteric coating, which prevents it from becoming activated until it reaches the lower third of the small intestine and the colon. Because of that unique characteristic, as Joe mentioned, only about 10 to 15 % of it is absorbed into the bloodstream, so that the potential for systemic effects, (and the potential for side effects), is only a fraction of the risk, when compared with the other corticosteroids. Because of that, most members here who have tried it, have had very good results with Entocort EC, and many of them have been using it for several years, (usually at a reduced dosage, after remission is attained).

The problem with the other medication options, is that they are either much riskier, (such as the anti-TNF drugs), or they can take virtually forever to bring remission, (if they work at all). Other than Entocort, the other practical options would be one of the 5-ASA medications, such as Asacol, Lialda, Colasal, Pentasa, etc. Generally, they are very slow to bring remission, though, especially for someone who has been symptomatic for a while, and they are basically just as expensive as Entocort, (and just as prone to cause side effects).

If you are interested in trying Entocort, since you have a diagnosis of CC in your files, your PCP might be willing to prescribe Entocort for you - that would allow you to avoid seeing your GI doctor, (assuming that your GI doc is the one pressing for another colonoscopy). Diet management is the safest way to control the disease, of course, but as we all know, it's not much fun to follow a strict diet.

I apologize for not being able to do a better job of answering your questions, but this is such a complex disease, and it affects us in so many different ways, and such little research has actually been done on it, especially from a long-term standpoint, that it's difficult to draw any really solid conclusions. There are a lot of "ifs", "ands", and "buts" surrounding the disease, and we find that the more we learn about it, the more we realize that we do not know.

Tex
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It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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Mia,

I guess from your post that you do not want to go back on the SCD diet? If that seemed to work maybe that might be worth a try. I say go for whatever works but avoid meds if you can and I mean steroids and Entocort is a steroid. If that is all that works then by all means take it. Don't take antibiotics unless tested and have a positive bacterial overgrowth of some kind.

I have had this for almost 11 years so I am in there with you all the way! Sigh:) I have decided to: avoid the foods that I can tell affect me, I take imodium ( it finally works again after 3 years when the 3rd GI doc gave me Neomycin) and just be happy. :grin: It really helps! Hope you get to feeling better! :smile:

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Post by mia »

Hi Tex- I sure appreciate your input- It certainly is a lot to consider- but your sensible, intelligent advice certainly helps my confusion. Pat- I think I do need to go back to the SCdiet too! Mia
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