I'm convinced yeast has alot to do with MC

IDreamInColor · Post by **IDreamInColor** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 11:58 am

January 3rd I had to have a tooth pulled due to a bone pocket infection. I promptly developed a secondary infection at the extraction site and then I developed thrush, I have never had thrush in my life and had to take cipro for a week, and I'm still on nystatin for the thrush that just won't go away.
I am having a major MC flair, and I really think that this yeast overgrowth caused from taking the cipro is playing a huge part in the flair. I can't help but think that if I can get this yeast under control, then the MC will calm down. Problem is, how do you get rid of the yeast?
This is a terrible flair, I don't want to eat, my skin is clammy, I'm shaky, I can't get out of the bathroom, I feel like I'm just wasting away.
Prior to the whole tooth ordeal I was doing better, not great, but better, the MC was quiet, but ever since I took those antibiotics it's been terrible.

Post by **tex** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:28 pm

Well, you're probably correct, because Cipro does indeed remove most of the "good" intestinal bacteria that might otherwise keep the yeast at bay, opening the door for the development of a yeast overgrowth. The problem with yeast, is that it's roots tend to penetrate the tight junctions, causing the leaky gut syndrome, which opens the door to all sorts of miserable side effects, as various toxins and inappropriate peptides are circulated throughout the body, and deposited in joints and organs, causing pain, swelling, and general misery, (to say nothing of D).

It can be treated with a regimen of metronidazole, (Flagyl), but it can take a long time to get a yeast overgrowth under control, since the yeast feeds on any sugars/carbs available in the diet.

Tex

IDreamInColor · Post by **IDreamInColor** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:42 pm

Thanks Tex, I'm almost afraid to ask what side effects the flagyl will cause? I seem to be snowballing with one thing after another, and meds causing other side effects.

Post by **tex** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 4:23 pm

Well, the list of possible side effects doesn't look good - you can read them for yourself, at the following link, but as far as I'm aware, a number of members have been through this treatment, with good results, and no major complaints:

http://www.drugs.com/sfx/flagyl-side-effects.html

Maybe someone who has used this treatment will comment.

Tex

explosive · Post by **explosive** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:59 pm

Hi,

I have trouble with thrush also. My doctor rx Nystatin rinse and it has not really taken it away. I have not tried the flagyl but may ask about it at my next appointment. I hope you feel better.

Sharon

explosive · Post by **explosive** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:01 pm

I forgot to ask if you keep a metal taste in your mouth also. I think mine may be a side effect to medication but just wondered if you have it too?

Sharon

Celie · Post by **Celie** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:34 pm

I had a horrible round of yeast problems several years ago. I went on a yeast elimination diet for two months and have not had a problem since. You might try it. Nothing with yeast or starch or sugar. It worked. But, if you are wasting away now, you might have a problem keeping your weight up.

Celie

Pat · Post by **Pat** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:01 pm

I dream,

Almost 4 years ago my 2nd GI doc prescribed Neomycin for the D (MC). Boy was he wrong and it gave me worse D. After that I was DXd with fructose malabsorption. I probably already had it but I was so much worse after the antibiotic, even 9 Imodium a day did nothing. I lost weight and was basically miserable as you sound. I would recommend the yeast free diet also. No sugar, no yeast, no fruit and take a probiotic. I hate to tell you this but it took 3 years to get over that round of antibiotics; Imodium helps now. Hopefully you won't have that experience. I have had to take antibiotics for a bladder infection and ear infection since then and I told them about what happened and asked for one that doesn't affect the gut as much. I don't remember what it was but there are some that don't. Your doctor should know. I am taking a probiotic now that I think is the best I have found at least for my situation with the fructose malabsorption. It doesn't have inulin or other prebiotics like FOS- fructoogliosaccaride. I probably mispelled that but you get the gist. Those are fructans and I don't do well with them. The one I use now is Scdolphilus by GI ProHealth. After the Neomycin I took VSL #3 and I really couldn't tell that it helped. I even took a bunch of Nystatin and Diflucan. I really couldn't tell that they helped either. I still don't eat sugar or fruit. I am so sorry you are going through this. I think yeast is definitely a factor. I took a lot of antibiotics growing up for acne and more as a young adult for sinus infections. Then MC hit. I won't take an antibiotic unless absolutely necessary. You did need one for your gum infection. I hope that is better too.

Pat

IDreamInColor · Post by **IDreamInColor** » Sun Jan 23, 2011 9:33 pm

Thank you all, everyone is so helpful here.

Can you tell me more about the anti yeast diet? Maybe give me an example of what you ate. I can't have seafood/fish because of the iodine and graves disease. Is it basically just meats and veggies?

Zizzle · Post by **Zizzle** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:11 am

I've been wondering about Diflucan lately. It doesn't seem as toxic as Flagyl. They even make an infant dose for babies with thrush and diaper rash. I'm yeast sensitive according to Enterolab, and I've read here that probably means I have yeast overgrowth. But I haven't had a noticeable yeast "infection" since high school. I wonder if a short round of Diflucan followed by a low sugar/starch diet would help "reset" the system and perhaps help the MC?

Post by **tex** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:49 am

Zizzle wrote:I wonder if a short round of Diflucan followed by a low sugar/starch diet would help "reset" the system and perhaps help the MC?

It sure might. I think the diet part is vital, and might work even without an antifungal.

Tex

klhale · Post by **klhale** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:00 pm

I take Diflucan...one pill gets rid of the yeast everywhere in your body. My doc prescribes me 5 at a time, so I take one if I need one. Fortunately, I don't have to take one very often. It does not bother my colon.

karen:-)

Celie · Post by **Celie** » Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:40 pm

Hi Idream,

Diflucan alone did not get rid of my yeast problem, but taking it with to help jump-start the yeast free diet is a good idea.

In my mind, I distilled the yeast elimination diet down to "nothing sweet and nothing white" Now, that is not very scientific, but it worked pretty well. Eat any meat and any non starchy vegetables. Also, avoid vinegar as it is made with yeast. The other thing I read somewhere is that you have to be obsessive. The author made the following analogy. If you were trying to starve someone to death and you fed them once in while, they would not die. So, you can't cheat. When I was craving sweets or starches, I told myself "if you feed it, it won't die."

The yeast free diet was the first time I had ever used diet to heal anything. I was skeptical at first, but it was very effective. It took about 8 weeks, but it solved the problem.

Good luck,

Celie

TooManyHats · Post by **TooManyHats** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 4:47 pm

Celie wrote:Hi Idream,

Diflucan alone did not get rid of my yeast problem, but taking it with to help jump-start the yeast free diet is a good idea.

In my mind, I distilled the yeast elimination diet down to "nothing sweet and nothing white" Now, that is not very scientific, but it worked pretty well. Eat any meat and any non starchy vegetables. Also, avoid vinegar as it is made with yeast. The other thing I read somewhere is that you have to be obsessive. The author made the following analogy. If you were trying to starve someone to death and you fed them once in while, they would not die. So, you can't cheat. When I was craving sweets or starches, I told myself "if you feed it, it won't die."

The yeast free diet was the first time I had ever used diet to heal anything. I was skeptical at first, but it was very effective. It took about 8 weeks, but it solved the problem.

Good luck,

Celie

Could you be more specific? For example, what did you eat for breakfast? It's the only meal I can't figure out any possibilities for. I could certainly eat meat with boiled broccoli, cauliflower, avocado, or spinach for lunch and dinner. But breakfast? My stomach just couldn't do that. I've also heard that certain spices are good for killing it off, but I can't eat most of them like cinnamon, ginger, and curry. My only option is garlic.

Gloria · Post by **Gloria** » Sat Jan 29, 2011 7:15 pm

I did a self-styled yeast-free diet about a year ago just because I wasn't sure what else to do. I have continued to eat much less sugar than I did previously. I checked out a book from the library to see how to pursue it. Here is a site with yeast-free diet instructions: http://www.yeastinfectionadvisor.com/candidadiet.html

Did it help me? Well, no. Sometime during that period I had a bad flare that didn't end for about 6 months.

Gloria