Polly, Joe (and all of you who've been here longer),
Please don't ever hesitate to repost something you've said before! I didn't know that, though I've been eating pretty low-oil. And as a newish member, I'm really glad to have read that as I'm planning my next dietary move. I feel as though I'm just starting to turn in a positive direction, and am super-grateful for any words of warning to keep from backsliding.
Phew,
Sara
Still More Evidence for High Vit. D Levels
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Temple,
Your 40 level is pretty good, but I am aiming for closer to 60 or higher. I had been taking 6000 IUs per day. When I cut back to 3000 IUs my level was only mid-40s. So I am again up to 6000 IUs again. From what I can find out, the body uses an average of at least 5000 IUs per day. Of course, it's an individual thing - and the only way to know for sure how your own body uses vitamin D is to get regular blood tests.
Interesting about trying it to help psoriasis. It's worth a try, IMHO. Are you GF too? I have a relative who has psoriasis, and he has found that the less gluten he eats, the better the psoriasis.
Hugs,
Polly
Your 40 level is pretty good, but I am aiming for closer to 60 or higher. I had been taking 6000 IUs per day. When I cut back to 3000 IUs my level was only mid-40s. So I am again up to 6000 IUs again. From what I can find out, the body uses an average of at least 5000 IUs per day. Of course, it's an individual thing - and the only way to know for sure how your own body uses vitamin D is to get regular blood tests.
Interesting about trying it to help psoriasis. It's worth a try, IMHO. Are you GF too? I have a relative who has psoriasis, and he has found that the less gluten he eats, the better the psoriasis.
Hugs,
Polly
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Gabes, interesting article. RICKETS! That's amazing. My great-aunt had rickets as a little girl (and lived to be almost 100).
Polly, thanks for sharing your Vitamin D recos. I start getting moderate sun around this time of year, and have been taking 2000IUs. I upped it to 4000 a couple of weeks ago. I was about to have my blood tests when I got sick - wish I'd had the before and after!
Sara
Polly, thanks for sharing your Vitamin D recos. I start getting moderate sun around this time of year, and have been taking 2000IUs. I upped it to 4000 a couple of weeks ago. I was about to have my blood tests when I got sick - wish I'd had the before and after!
Sara
Gabes,
That problem appears to exist in this country, also, but the "experts" just ignore it, as evidenced by their recent ruling to not raise the official RDA for vitamin D to a level that would eliminate the problem.
Tex
That problem appears to exist in this country, also, but the "experts" just ignore it, as evidenced by their recent ruling to not raise the official RDA for vitamin D to a level that would eliminate the problem.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Timely subject...I received my Vit. D levels a few weeks back and was deficient:
D, 25-OH, Total...............16 ng/ml
D, 25-OH, D3..................16 "
D, 25-OH, D2...................<4 "
I'm taking Vit. D now (also recommended due to the recent osteopenia diagnosis) so hopefully my levels will go up soon.
Interestingly, I had been having chronic toothaches (varying teeth) which the dentist checked out and couldn't find a cause. It was getting increasingly worse with no explanation of why. Honestly, it felt like my teeth were just going to start disintegrating. Then, in the midst of the dental pain issues, one of my back teeth literally sheared off. It was so weird...it didn't actually break or chip; the outer portion just sheared right off when I was chewing. Now, I'm looking at having to get a crown. Now here's the most interesting thing; once I had been on the Vit. D for about a week the dental pain started to lessen. Now having been on it for several weeks, the dental pain has completely subsided. I absolutely don't think this is a coincidence. Because I think all of this is connected I'm opting to delay my dental work just a bit until my Vit. D levels come up. I don't want my teeth falling apart the minute the drill hits them!
One last note...I posted a while back about sudden hair loss that I experienced over about a six week period. I probably lost about 40% of my hair volume from severe shedding. Since then I had a scalp biopsy which came back normal (good news!) but the dermatologist said that she sees quite a few people with hair loss that have Vit. D deficiencies. She noted that there isn't much in the literature about this correlation, but anecdotally she sees the connection. Perhaps another case of science not yet catching up with patient experiences.
For those of you with Vit. D deficiencies, have you experienced any symptoms? If so, what were they?
Very helpful posts BTW; thanks!!
Julie
D, 25-OH, Total...............16 ng/ml
D, 25-OH, D3..................16 "
D, 25-OH, D2...................<4 "
I'm taking Vit. D now (also recommended due to the recent osteopenia diagnosis) so hopefully my levels will go up soon.
Interestingly, I had been having chronic toothaches (varying teeth) which the dentist checked out and couldn't find a cause. It was getting increasingly worse with no explanation of why. Honestly, it felt like my teeth were just going to start disintegrating. Then, in the midst of the dental pain issues, one of my back teeth literally sheared off. It was so weird...it didn't actually break or chip; the outer portion just sheared right off when I was chewing. Now, I'm looking at having to get a crown. Now here's the most interesting thing; once I had been on the Vit. D for about a week the dental pain started to lessen. Now having been on it for several weeks, the dental pain has completely subsided. I absolutely don't think this is a coincidence. Because I think all of this is connected I'm opting to delay my dental work just a bit until my Vit. D levels come up. I don't want my teeth falling apart the minute the drill hits them!
One last note...I posted a while back about sudden hair loss that I experienced over about a six week period. I probably lost about 40% of my hair volume from severe shedding. Since then I had a scalp biopsy which came back normal (good news!) but the dermatologist said that she sees quite a few people with hair loss that have Vit. D deficiencies. She noted that there isn't much in the literature about this correlation, but anecdotally she sees the connection. Perhaps another case of science not yet catching up with patient experiences.
For those of you with Vit. D deficiencies, have you experienced any symptoms? If so, what were they?
Very helpful posts BTW; thanks!!
Julie
Julie,
I am a dental hygienist ( 28 years) and I can tell you that teeth don't heal after they have broken or sheared off as you put it. There is no amount of vit D or anything else that can heal them. Teeth are not like bones. When you break a bone a doctor can set it and it will usually heal but not teeth. Your best bet is to get that crown asap before more "shears off" and then there is less for the dentist to work with and if there is less to work with there is less of a chance that you will have success with the crown. Just FYI.
Pat
I am a dental hygienist ( 28 years) and I can tell you that teeth don't heal after they have broken or sheared off as you put it. There is no amount of vit D or anything else that can heal them. Teeth are not like bones. When you break a bone a doctor can set it and it will usually heal but not teeth. Your best bet is to get that crown asap before more "shears off" and then there is less for the dentist to work with and if there is less to work with there is less of a chance that you will have success with the crown. Just FYI.
Pat
Julie,
More bad news. I had very, very few tooth problems for the first half-century of my life, (other than having a couple of wisdom teeth chiseled out, when I was in my twenties, because they were growing in crooked). A sudden surge in cavities, (presumably due to weakened enamel), was my first clue that something was going seriously wrong with my body. This was at least several years before the D began. I went to the dentist, and had several fillings done, and within a couple of weeks, one filling fell out, and soon after, another tooth that the dentist had worked on, split, and half of it fell out. In a few more weeks, I made another trip to the dentist, he found some more problems, did some more fillings, and the results were similar. IOW, the damage was already done. Now and then, a tooth would just break off, or half of it would break off, for no good reason, while I was eating. Years later, after the D started, and I eventually figured out what was wrong, and I adopted the GF diet, things began to stabilize, but as Pat says, you can't reverse damage of that type. Teeth don't heal.
Are you by any chance a celiac? This problem is reminiscent of long-term untreated gluten-sensitivity. Untreated gluten-sensitivity weakens the enamel and makes teeth very vulnerable. I've always suspected that I was a celiac, but none of my docs ever bothered to test me, of course. I have a hunch that I had a gluten-sensitivity problem for most of my life, but I was asymptomatic, until later in life, and by then I had already accrued a lot of damage to my teeth, my central nervous system, and probably my brain, as well. I say I was asymptomatic - I was prone to C, but back then, no one associated it with any disease. Doctors just assume that C is a sign of insufficient fiber in the diet.
I have no idea if I was low on vitamin D in those days, but I doubt that I was deficient, because I spent a lot of time working in the sun.
Anyway, I just wanted you to know that your situation is not unprecedented. We have a few other members who have had similar problems with their teeth, apparently due to gluten-sensitivity damage before eliminating gluten from the diet.
Tex
More bad news. I had very, very few tooth problems for the first half-century of my life, (other than having a couple of wisdom teeth chiseled out, when I was in my twenties, because they were growing in crooked). A sudden surge in cavities, (presumably due to weakened enamel), was my first clue that something was going seriously wrong with my body. This was at least several years before the D began. I went to the dentist, and had several fillings done, and within a couple of weeks, one filling fell out, and soon after, another tooth that the dentist had worked on, split, and half of it fell out. In a few more weeks, I made another trip to the dentist, he found some more problems, did some more fillings, and the results were similar. IOW, the damage was already done. Now and then, a tooth would just break off, or half of it would break off, for no good reason, while I was eating. Years later, after the D started, and I eventually figured out what was wrong, and I adopted the GF diet, things began to stabilize, but as Pat says, you can't reverse damage of that type. Teeth don't heal.
Are you by any chance a celiac? This problem is reminiscent of long-term untreated gluten-sensitivity. Untreated gluten-sensitivity weakens the enamel and makes teeth very vulnerable. I've always suspected that I was a celiac, but none of my docs ever bothered to test me, of course. I have a hunch that I had a gluten-sensitivity problem for most of my life, but I was asymptomatic, until later in life, and by then I had already accrued a lot of damage to my teeth, my central nervous system, and probably my brain, as well. I say I was asymptomatic - I was prone to C, but back then, no one associated it with any disease. Doctors just assume that C is a sign of insufficient fiber in the diet.
I have no idea if I was low on vitamin D in those days, but I doubt that I was deficient, because I spent a lot of time working in the sun.Anyway, I just wanted you to know that your situation is not unprecedented. We have a few other members who have had similar problems with their teeth, apparently due to gluten-sensitivity damage before eliminating gluten from the diet.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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i love this family
every day i learn something
for the 2 - 3 years i had 'symptoms' that i now know to be MC related, i had about 3 teeth that did very similar to what Julies teeth did, one or two corners of the teeth seemed to vanish.
i was just starting to get them fixed when the chronic MC symptoms started.
since moving i have found a new dentist and will be getting them fixed as budget allows.
And Pat i will be requesting latex free gloves.
every day i learn something
for the 2 - 3 years i had 'symptoms' that i now know to be MC related, i had about 3 teeth that did very similar to what Julies teeth did, one or two corners of the teeth seemed to vanish.
i was just starting to get them fixed when the chronic MC symptoms started.
since moving i have found a new dentist and will be getting them fixed as budget allows.
And Pat i will be requesting latex free gloves.
Gabes Ryan
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"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
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For the past several years I have "lived" at the dentist with one problem after another. I have had several root canals followed by crowns due to teeth cracking or the root dieing. I'm in the middle of one now and have another one scheduled after this. It's painful and I'm constantly worried about infection but have avoided going on an antibiotic due to throwing off the gut flora. I never related it to MC prior to reading these posts. 
I lost a molar a few years ago while I was on methotrexate (yet another attempt to get MC under control via meds) when my white cell count dropped too low and an abscess formed in the root and they were unable to save the tooth.
The dentist doesn't have an answer as to why I continue to have problems and I don't think he really cares because he's making a small fortune off of me and my dental insurance. No matter how much brushing and flossing I do, I continue to have dental issues.
I lost a molar a few years ago while I was on methotrexate (yet another attempt to get MC under control via meds) when my white cell count dropped too low and an abscess formed in the root and they were unable to save the tooth.
The dentist doesn't have an answer as to why I continue to have problems and I don't think he really cares because he's making a small fortune off of me and my dental insurance. No matter how much brushing and flossing I do, I continue to have dental issues.
Kelly
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Believe deep down in your heart that you are destined to do great things~ Joe Paterno
Yep, that describes the situation perfectly. Those who are lucky enough to not have this side effect, don't realize what they're missing, because it can be an extremely frustrating experience, and like MC itself, it can go on and on.Kelly wrote:No matter how much brushing and flossing I do, I continue to have dental issues.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
The outer portion of one of my front teeth did the same thing several years ago.the outer portion just sheared right off when I was chewing.
DD#2 told me today that she is taking 50,000 IUs of vitamin D twice a week per a prescription from her doctor. Her vitamin D tested at about 25 about a month ago.
Gloria
You never know what you can do until you have to do it.
Her doctor is really getting with the program. It will be very interesting to see what that does to her test levels.
Please keep us updated on that project.
Tex
Please keep us updated on that project.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.