Since I have continuing problems, do you think it could be the rice? If it is, I frankly don't know what to eat for carbs except potatoes. Isn't rice intolerance extremely rare? I can only think of 2 of you who can't eat it.
m
Polly - could it be rice?
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Melissa,
Could be, I suppose.
You're correct - I know that Jean and Matthew can't tolerate rice. Also, others (like Karen and I) avoid all grains now and find that we feel better. There are a handful of us basically eating the paleo (caveman) diet - you might enjoy reading the top thread in the forum (about treatment options) just above the Main Message Board.
As of a few weeks ago I have eliminated almost all carbs except veggies and fruit. I still eat an occasional potato or bowl of bean soup, but have come to believe I get much more nutrition from the veggies/fruit. I am never hungry anymore and do not have those "sugar/starch" swings. And my BMs are now HUGE - very bulky and long. I have been doing some reading and have realized that the human body is just not made to be able to handle large amounts of carbohydrates. The insulin system is designed to get the sugar into FAT stores as quickly as possible - with all of the sugary/starchy processed food we eat, it's no wonder Americans are so overweight.
It seems that those of us with multiple intolerances seem to move toward the caveman diet naturally......as we experiment over time with what we can eat. I am so envious of those who have gluten intolerance only. (Not that it is easy by any means).
I hope you discover the culprit and are back on the road to health soon.
Love,
Polly
Could be, I suppose.
You're correct - I know that Jean and Matthew can't tolerate rice. Also, others (like Karen and I) avoid all grains now and find that we feel better. There are a handful of us basically eating the paleo (caveman) diet - you might enjoy reading the top thread in the forum (about treatment options) just above the Main Message Board.As of a few weeks ago I have eliminated almost all carbs except veggies and fruit. I still eat an occasional potato or bowl of bean soup, but have come to believe I get much more nutrition from the veggies/fruit. I am never hungry anymore and do not have those "sugar/starch" swings. And my BMs are now HUGE - very bulky and long. I have been doing some reading and have realized that the human body is just not made to be able to handle large amounts of carbohydrates. The insulin system is designed to get the sugar into FAT stores as quickly as possible - with all of the sugary/starchy processed food we eat, it's no wonder Americans are so overweight.
It seems that those of us with multiple intolerances seem to move toward the caveman diet naturally......as we experiment over time with what we can eat. I am so envious of those who have gluten intolerance only. (Not that it is easy by any means).
I hope you discover the culprit and are back on the road to health soon.
Love,
Polly
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Melissa,
I agree that rice intolerance is possible, but very, very unlikely. I thought that I was rice intolerant, a few months ago, but finally tracked the problem to a non-dairy margarine, that contained an ingredient that I am intolerant of.
Still, I don't eat very much of it, mustly just as a source of flour for cookies, etc. Potatoes constitute probably 95% of my carb intake, these days.
Wayne
I agree that rice intolerance is possible, but very, very unlikely. I thought that I was rice intolerant, a few months ago, but finally tracked the problem to a non-dairy margarine, that contained an ingredient that I am intolerant of.
Still, I don't eat very much of it, mustly just as a source of flour for cookies, etc. Potatoes constitute probably 95% of my carb intake, these days.
Wayne
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Hi Melissa,
How about quinoa (you can find pasta made from it), buckwheat (not really a grain), and sweet potatoes? You can use almond flour for coating chicken and for baking, too. Matthew's pancakes with banana and almond flour are good.
Are you eating plain rice or brown rice? Plain is often better-tolerated. Also, you are not by any chance using ENRICHED rice, are you? Enriched rice may use a barley product to help the vitamins adhere to the indibidual rice grains.
Love,
Polly
How about quinoa (you can find pasta made from it), buckwheat (not really a grain), and sweet potatoes? You can use almond flour for coating chicken and for baking, too. Matthew's pancakes with banana and almond flour are good.
Are you eating plain rice or brown rice? Plain is often better-tolerated. Also, you are not by any chance using ENRICHED rice, are you? Enriched rice may use a barley product to help the vitamins adhere to the indibidual rice grains.
Love,
Polly
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M,
In addition to Polly's suggestions, most of us seem to be able to tolerate green beans. Also, tapioca/cassava/manioc, is a good, safe, alternative source of starch, to provide a little variety.
Tex
In addition to Polly's suggestions, most of us seem to be able to tolerate green beans. Also, tapioca/cassava/manioc, is a good, safe, alternative source of starch, to provide a little variety.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Polly - I'm eating white basmati rice. But I just realized something. I've been eating canned peaches in 100% fruit juice. I thought I had checked these out some time ago but maybe I didn't. I'm stopping that right away. So quinoa pasta is okay? I eat alot of pasta (rice). I'll have to check out buckwheat and Matthews recipe.
Tex - cassava - a root right? Manioc isn't the same thing? What do i do with them??? Well, I guess I better start researching.
thanks for the suggestions.
m
Tex - cassava - a root right? Manioc isn't the same thing? What do i do with them??? Well, I guess I better start researching.
thanks for the suggestions.
m
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Melissa,
Have you ever tried Polenta? It makes a great side dish like rice or a potato. It's made from corn though, so it might not agree with you if corn bothers you.
Sorry to hear your having such a rough go of it- try to keep your spirits up. Thinking about you.
Love,
Joanna
Have you ever tried Polenta? It makes a great side dish like rice or a potato. It's made from corn though, so it might not agree with you if corn bothers you.
Sorry to hear your having such a rough go of it- try to keep your spirits up. Thinking about you.
Love,
Joanna
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Melissa,
Manioc is a local name for cassava, and is the same plant. The tuberous roots are the source of the starch, and tapioca is made from those roots. Besides tapioca, you can buy tapioca flour/starch, for use in baking, but it must be blended with other flours, because it tends to be somewhat gummy by itself. You'll see what I mean, if you ever try to make any gravy with it. LOL.
If you're intollerant of corn, I wouldn't recommend Polenta.
Tex
Manioc is a local name for cassava, and is the same plant. The tuberous roots are the source of the starch, and tapioca is made from those roots. Besides tapioca, you can buy tapioca flour/starch, for use in baking, but it must be blended with other flours, because it tends to be somewhat gummy by itself. You'll see what I mean, if you ever try to make any gravy with it. LOL.
If you're intollerant of corn, I wouldn't recommend Polenta.
Tex
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Melissa,
What is in your canned peaches that bothers you? Just curious.
Have you considered skipping the starch when preparing a meal? It felt funny to me the first few times I ate a dinner w/o a starch but it is entirely possible to have a good filling and healthy meal consisting of nothing but the types of carbs you get from veggies/fruit and some meat.
Love,
Karen
What is in your canned peaches that bothers you? Just curious.
Have you considered skipping the starch when preparing a meal? It felt funny to me the first few times I ate a dinner w/o a starch but it is entirely possible to have a good filling and healthy meal consisting of nothing but the types of carbs you get from veggies/fruit and some meat.
Love,
Karen
Polly,
About those long, snake-like stools. When I have them, they seem never-ending! Why is it that we save it up like that instead of evacuating these a little at a time?
Seems to me that, a long, long time ago when I was normal, that my gut functioned like a sausage machine -- it would tie it off in little bundles, if ya know whata mean.
Now, when I'm eating lots of veggies, it feels like I'm way backed up all the way from the anus. Does this mean that some of the spincters aren't working properly or perhaps the muscles have forgotten how to function or nerve damage, or what?
It just seems like when I've been eating alot, things crowd there way all the way down into the rectum, and I evacuate stools sorta like a glue-stick -- just comes out when the stool behind it pushes it out. Not at all constipated though.
Anyone with a similar experience?
Yours, Luce
About those long, snake-like stools. When I have them, they seem never-ending! Why is it that we save it up like that instead of evacuating these a little at a time?
Seems to me that, a long, long time ago when I was normal, that my gut functioned like a sausage machine -- it would tie it off in little bundles, if ya know whata mean.
Now, when I'm eating lots of veggies, it feels like I'm way backed up all the way from the anus. Does this mean that some of the spincters aren't working properly or perhaps the muscles have forgotten how to function or nerve damage, or what?
It just seems like when I've been eating alot, things crowd there way all the way down into the rectum, and I evacuate stools sorta like a glue-stick -- just comes out when the stool behind it pushes it out. Not at all constipated though.
Anyone with a similar experience?
Yours, Luce
I'm not Polly, but I don't see a problem. It sounds to me as though everything is working as it's supposed to. There's only one sphincter in the colon, and thats at the bottom end, (unless you consider the valve at the opening of the cecum to be a sphincter, but it's really just a one-way valve, to prevent backflow into the illeum).
Since you're talking about a materials handling problem, and the related forming processes, this is an engineering problem, that's pretty much automatically handled by the body, given the parameters that you impose on it, by diet, and evacuation habits, (apart from any external influences caused by disease, or physical trama).
If you want "wienies" instead of "ropes", all you have to do is activate the sphincter at whatever interals you want, to interrupt the flow. As long as you continue to push, without closing the sphincter, you're going to get a rope. It's simply a matter of coordination and training. Obviously, you can control the spincter, otherwise you would suffer from fecal incontinence.
Now if you're constipated, it's a differrent phenomenon. In that instance, the effluent will be broken into random-length, (relatively short), pre-formed spheroids, which maintain their shape, due to loss of malleability, caused by inadequate water content. Their size and shape is determined by the peristaltic action of the colon, and the nature of the contents of the lumen, without regard to any subsequent sphincter action.
You write,
At least that's the way I see it, from an engineering viewpoint.
Tex
Since you're talking about a materials handling problem, and the related forming processes, this is an engineering problem, that's pretty much automatically handled by the body, given the parameters that you impose on it, by diet, and evacuation habits, (apart from any external influences caused by disease, or physical trama).
If you want "wienies" instead of "ropes", all you have to do is activate the sphincter at whatever interals you want, to interrupt the flow. As long as you continue to push, without closing the sphincter, you're going to get a rope. It's simply a matter of coordination and training. Obviously, you can control the spincter, otherwise you would suffer from fecal incontinence.
Now if you're constipated, it's a differrent phenomenon. In that instance, the effluent will be broken into random-length, (relatively short), pre-formed spheroids, which maintain their shape, due to loss of malleability, caused by inadequate water content. Their size and shape is determined by the peristaltic action of the colon, and the nature of the contents of the lumen, without regard to any subsequent sphincter action.
You write,
That's exactly the way it's supposed to work, but you can interrupt the progress of the flow, anytime you want, by "closing the gate". The effluent reaches the point of optimum moisture content, as it reaches the bottom of the colon, where is is stacked on the existing formed stool. If it solidified much farther up the line, the possibility of entrapped liquids would exist, and diarrhea, and/or impaction could be a risk, on a long term basis.It just seems like when I've been eating alot, things crowd there way all the way down into the rectum, and I evacuate stools sorta like a glue-stick -- just comes out when the stool behind it pushes it out.
At least that's the way I see it, from an engineering viewpoint.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Wayne,
You've cheered me up! Hahaha!
Thanks for the engineering lesson.
Guess I've just forgotten what it's like to be normal. I'm not eating enough now to have this phenomenon all the time, but when it does occur, the anal spincter fails me, due to the pressure of a full gut, thus the label, "glue stick." Do you know what a glue stick is? That's why I still wear a Serenity Pad because they come up in the back.
OK, nite everyone!
Yours, Luce
You've cheered me up! Hahaha!
Thanks for the engineering lesson.
Guess I've just forgotten what it's like to be normal. I'm not eating enough now to have this phenomenon all the time, but when it does occur, the anal spincter fails me, due to the pressure of a full gut, thus the label, "glue stick." Do you know what a glue stick is? That's why I still wear a Serenity Pad because they come up in the back.
OK, nite everyone!
Yours, Luce
Not sure if you can eat them, but I've found Yams or Sweet potatoes to be a good starch/carb. I also add honey to them.
I also used to think that rice was a problem, but now I'm not so sure. Same with corn. I'm going to have to try those again after cutting them out for a while.
Though perhaps my GI is improving and I can now tolerate those things that gave me problems before. Who knows.
Mike
I also used to think that rice was a problem, but now I'm not so sure. Same with corn. I'm going to have to try those again after cutting them out for a while.
Though perhaps my GI is improving and I can now tolerate those things that gave me problems before. Who knows.
Mike
Melissa,
I am another that eats only low sugar fruits and low carb veggies for carbs..with some occasional nuts.
My favorites are green beans, sweet potatoes, and bags of assorted stri-fry vegetables without additives. I cook them in olive oil.
I wouldn't know what to do without green beans. I have never heard of anyone who couldn't tolerate them. They are a little high in fiber, and may not be well tolerated when in a flare..but It would be worth a try.
I eat sweet potatoes about three times per week. I never eat white potatoes or rice. I believe that white potatoes are nothing more than table sugar when they are processed.
When you buy canned fruit, look for fruit canned without added sugar. Most of these are canned with pear juice.. Pears are very good, and also peaches.
When I was at my worst with MC, I was living on carbs. I didn't begin to get well until I started avoiding grains, and started eating meat.
I hope you are having a better day today, I am thinking of you.
Biggest hugs,
Geri
I am another that eats only low sugar fruits and low carb veggies for carbs..with some occasional nuts.
My favorites are green beans, sweet potatoes, and bags of assorted stri-fry vegetables without additives. I cook them in olive oil.
I wouldn't know what to do without green beans. I have never heard of anyone who couldn't tolerate them. They are a little high in fiber, and may not be well tolerated when in a flare..but It would be worth a try.
I eat sweet potatoes about three times per week. I never eat white potatoes or rice. I believe that white potatoes are nothing more than table sugar when they are processed.
When you buy canned fruit, look for fruit canned without added sugar. Most of these are canned with pear juice.. Pears are very good, and also peaches.
When I was at my worst with MC, I was living on carbs. I didn't begin to get well until I started avoiding grains, and started eating meat.
I hope you are having a better day today, I am thinking of you.
Biggest hugs,
Geri