Some Thoughts, (Opinions), On Asacol HD
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Some Thoughts, (Opinions), On Asacol HD
Hi All,
Someone PM'ed me a question, and in the process of composing a response, I happened to look up the "inactive" ingredients for Asacol HD. They are:
colloidal silicon dioxide, dibutyl phthalate, edible black ink, ferric oxide red, ferric oxide yellow, lactose monohydrate, magnesium stearate, methacrylic acid copolymer B (Eudragit S), methacrylic acid copolymer A (Eudragit L), polyethylene glycol, povidone, sodium starch glycolate, and talc
So, second to the sand, bidutyl phthalate is the second main inactive ingredient, and behind the ink, and rust, lactose monohydrate is the next most prominent ingredient. Hmmmmm.
DBP is a commonly used plasticizer. It's also used as an additive to adhesives or printing inks. It's soluble in various organic solvents, such as alcohol, ether and benzene, but presumably, as the capsule begins to break down in the small intestine, the DBP will also be "digested", so if you happen to be sensitive to it, I would suspect that it could be a problem, possibly a thorny problem.
DBP is banned from being used in cosmetics, including nail polishes, in the European Union, and it's banned in children's toys, and childcare articles, in concentrations of more than 1 part per thousand, (0.1%), in California. The problem is that it is a suspected endocrine disruptor.
Endocrine disruptors are substances which do not occur normally in the body, (exogenous substances, IOW), that interfere with the synthesis, secretion, transport, binding, action, or elimination of natural hormones in the body that are responsible for the maintenance of normal cell metabolism, (homeostasis), reproduction, development, and/or behavior. They're also sometimes referred to as hormonally active agents, endocrine disrupting chemicals, or endocrine disrupting compounds, (EDCs).
These are uncharted waters, (since I'm pretty sure that no scientific research has been done specifically on DBP's hormonal effects on the human body), but IMO, there is certainly the possibility that it could be causing the hormonal symptoms that a member who has been taking Asacol HD recently described, (if she happens to be sensitive to it), because her symptoms certainly appear to be hormonally-based.
I checked the ingredient list for most of the other 5-ASA meds, (specifically, Lialda, Apriso, Pentasa, and Colazal), and none of them appear to contain either of the two chemicals that I discussed above, nor any other ingredients that appear to be harmful.
Obviously, I can't say for sure that the DBP, (or lactose monohydrate), in the Asacol HD might cause hormonal issues for anyone, but the DBP, for sure, certainly looks suspicious. I'm amazed that they would use it in a medication designed to treat an IBD. It just illustrates the lack of plain old common sense among the chemists who develop the formulations for many of the pharmaceutical products that are intended to treat disease.
Anyway, FWIW, those are my thoughts on the matter, so if you choose to use Asacol Hd, please be aware of this possible issue. Regular Asacol does not contain the DBP, (though it does contain lactose - in fact, it's the main "inactive" ingredient). Only the HD formulation if Asacol, (IOW, the "improved" version ), contains DBP. I put the term "inactive" in quotation marks, because obviously, that's a misnomer, for most of us, since lactose, and any of it's derivatives, can cause quite a reaction - hardly what I would call "inactive".
And as always, remember, I'm not a doctor - I'm just here to try to catch some of their mistakes.
Tex
Someone PM'ed me a question, and in the process of composing a response, I happened to look up the "inactive" ingredients for Asacol HD. They are:
colloidal silicon dioxide, dibutyl phthalate, edible black ink, ferric oxide red, ferric oxide yellow, lactose monohydrate, magnesium stearate, methacrylic acid copolymer B (Eudragit S), methacrylic acid copolymer A (Eudragit L), polyethylene glycol, povidone, sodium starch glycolate, and talc
So, second to the sand, bidutyl phthalate is the second main inactive ingredient, and behind the ink, and rust, lactose monohydrate is the next most prominent ingredient. Hmmmmm.
DBP is a commonly used plasticizer. It's also used as an additive to adhesives or printing inks. It's soluble in various organic solvents, such as alcohol, ether and benzene, but presumably, as the capsule begins to break down in the small intestine, the DBP will also be "digested", so if you happen to be sensitive to it, I would suspect that it could be a problem, possibly a thorny problem.
DBP is banned from being used in cosmetics, including nail polishes, in the European Union, and it's banned in children's toys, and childcare articles, in concentrations of more than 1 part per thousand, (0.1%), in California. The problem is that it is a suspected endocrine disruptor.
Endocrine disruptors are substances which do not occur normally in the body, (exogenous substances, IOW), that interfere with the synthesis, secretion, transport, binding, action, or elimination of natural hormones in the body that are responsible for the maintenance of normal cell metabolism, (homeostasis), reproduction, development, and/or behavior. They're also sometimes referred to as hormonally active agents, endocrine disrupting chemicals, or endocrine disrupting compounds, (EDCs).
These are uncharted waters, (since I'm pretty sure that no scientific research has been done specifically on DBP's hormonal effects on the human body), but IMO, there is certainly the possibility that it could be causing the hormonal symptoms that a member who has been taking Asacol HD recently described, (if she happens to be sensitive to it), because her symptoms certainly appear to be hormonally-based.
I checked the ingredient list for most of the other 5-ASA meds, (specifically, Lialda, Apriso, Pentasa, and Colazal), and none of them appear to contain either of the two chemicals that I discussed above, nor any other ingredients that appear to be harmful.
Obviously, I can't say for sure that the DBP, (or lactose monohydrate), in the Asacol HD might cause hormonal issues for anyone, but the DBP, for sure, certainly looks suspicious. I'm amazed that they would use it in a medication designed to treat an IBD. It just illustrates the lack of plain old common sense among the chemists who develop the formulations for many of the pharmaceutical products that are intended to treat disease.
Anyway, FWIW, those are my thoughts on the matter, so if you choose to use Asacol Hd, please be aware of this possible issue. Regular Asacol does not contain the DBP, (though it does contain lactose - in fact, it's the main "inactive" ingredient). Only the HD formulation if Asacol, (IOW, the "improved" version ), contains DBP. I put the term "inactive" in quotation marks, because obviously, that's a misnomer, for most of us, since lactose, and any of it's derivatives, can cause quite a reaction - hardly what I would call "inactive".
And as always, remember, I'm not a doctor - I'm just here to try to catch some of their mistakes.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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I was sick as a dog on Asacol. Pentasa has worked much better for me. The day after I switched medications, the number of times I had D per day was cut in half. But, I've been lactose intolerant for years. Pentasa didn't help me all by itself either though, and the supplement Mary Beth recommended was just the addition I needed.
Why on earth would they put lactose (medical grade or not) into a medication for someone with intestinal issues? Seems ludicrous to me.
Why on earth would they put lactose (medical grade or not) into a medication for someone with intestinal issues? Seems ludicrous to me.
Arlene
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Progress, not perfection.
Exactly! What on earth could they be thinking?Arlene wrote:Why on earth would they put lactose (medical grade or not) into a medication for someone with intestinal issues? Seems ludicrous to me.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
I have a hunch that the drug companies no longer have a conscience - they let the FDA be their conscience, instead, so as you say, they don't care - they just use whatever the FDA says is legal.Mags wrote:These sensitivities are apparently well-known to cosmetic manufacturers--what on earth are the drug companies doing putting them in medications?
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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It shouldn't, if it's going to provide any significant benefit, because the encapsulation has to break down, in order for the digestive system to gain access to the active ingredient. These are actually coated, (encapsulated), tablets. True, a pinhole that erodes through the coating might be sufficient, but that's not the way that most decomposition takes place - the entire surface will typically be eroded away, until the protective coating becomes so thin that holes develop, which allow the ingredients inside to leach out, or, if it happens to be fragile enough, it may even break apart. Ideally, the coating is designed to totally dissolve, at the appropriate time. The following quote is from the Drugs.com site for information on Asacol HD for healthcare professionals:Arline wrote:For the most part, that capsule passes through your system mostly intact, but I still wouldn't want to be ingesting it.
That suggests that the encapsulation must be at least partially "digested", in order to work properly.Patient Counseling Information
Instruct patients to swallow the Asacol HD tablets whole, taking care not to break, cut, or chew the tablets, because the coating is an important part of the delayed-release formulation.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Tex and others--
I did some pondering on the question of why these ingredients (DBP, talc, parabens) and others are in our meds when they are avoided in the cosmetic industry. They only reason I can find is that of education and choice.
With cosmetics, we have access to dozens, if not hundreds of magazines targeted at women. Cosmetics are extensively reviewed, analyzed both empirically and anecdotally, and rated on performance. Competition in the marketplace is fierce, with expensive department store brands like Dior or Lancome, mid-level, such as Loreal or Maybelliene, and inexpensive like Wet-n-Wild. Health concerns are on the rise, and companies have taken them into consideration, even using them as a marketing tool.
Drug companies operate under none of these market factors. We have little readily accessible information and less choice when it comes to the medication we need. Unless and until Big Pharma complies with the same standards, I am afraid we are stuck with it.
Mags
I did some pondering on the question of why these ingredients (DBP, talc, parabens) and others are in our meds when they are avoided in the cosmetic industry. They only reason I can find is that of education and choice.
With cosmetics, we have access to dozens, if not hundreds of magazines targeted at women. Cosmetics are extensively reviewed, analyzed both empirically and anecdotally, and rated on performance. Competition in the marketplace is fierce, with expensive department store brands like Dior or Lancome, mid-level, such as Loreal or Maybelliene, and inexpensive like Wet-n-Wild. Health concerns are on the rise, and companies have taken them into consideration, even using them as a marketing tool.
Drug companies operate under none of these market factors. We have little readily accessible information and less choice when it comes to the medication we need. Unless and until Big Pharma complies with the same standards, I am afraid we are stuck with it.
Mags
Mags,
I also agree that you're right on target. Competition is clearly the driving force, IMO, and there is one overriding factor that makes that possible - cosmetics are available OTC, whereas the FDA grants prescription-only pharmaceuticals virtual monopolies. Prescription drugs and cosmetics are at opposite extremes in the marketplace, and the effects of that positioning are obvious in every aspect, from quality to pricing. Prescription-only pharmaceuticals are, for all practical purposes typically priced at hundreds of times their true value, and the quality, for the most part, sucks. The typical, overall quality of those pharmaceuticals would be unacceptable if they had to compete in the free market, and because of that shortcoming, they probably wouldn't be able to compete in an OTC market, (certainly not at anywhere near their ridiculously inflated prices).
Sure, they need to be able to recover their development costs, but they shouldn't be allowed to price their products so that they can recover it with only a few weeks worth of sales.
And, from an education standpoint, except for the members of discussion boards such as this, most people are so unfamiliar with, and intimidated by prescription drugs, that they wouldn't be able to comfortably discuss them, anyway, so education is much more likely to be out of reach, with such pharmaceuticals. If appropriate education were more widely available, maybe more people would refuse to use products that so unnecessarily, (arrogantly, is a better term, IMO), include harmful ingredients, and manufacturers would begin to pay attention. Currently, they have a captive audience, so they have no incentive to pay attention to how well they satisfy consumer needs. And, as Zizzle mentioned, most doctors fall right in line, and hawk their sullied products for them, blinded by unconditional trust.
Tex
I also agree that you're right on target. Competition is clearly the driving force, IMO, and there is one overriding factor that makes that possible - cosmetics are available OTC, whereas the FDA grants prescription-only pharmaceuticals virtual monopolies. Prescription drugs and cosmetics are at opposite extremes in the marketplace, and the effects of that positioning are obvious in every aspect, from quality to pricing. Prescription-only pharmaceuticals are, for all practical purposes typically priced at hundreds of times their true value, and the quality, for the most part, sucks. The typical, overall quality of those pharmaceuticals would be unacceptable if they had to compete in the free market, and because of that shortcoming, they probably wouldn't be able to compete in an OTC market, (certainly not at anywhere near their ridiculously inflated prices).
Sure, they need to be able to recover their development costs, but they shouldn't be allowed to price their products so that they can recover it with only a few weeks worth of sales.
And, from an education standpoint, except for the members of discussion boards such as this, most people are so unfamiliar with, and intimidated by prescription drugs, that they wouldn't be able to comfortably discuss them, anyway, so education is much more likely to be out of reach, with such pharmaceuticals. If appropriate education were more widely available, maybe more people would refuse to use products that so unnecessarily, (arrogantly, is a better term, IMO), include harmful ingredients, and manufacturers would begin to pay attention. Currently, they have a captive audience, so they have no incentive to pay attention to how well they satisfy consumer needs. And, as Zizzle mentioned, most doctors fall right in line, and hawk their sullied products for them, blinded by unconditional trust.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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IMO - because medications are prescribed by a doctor and then dispensed by a pharmacist (white coat clean image we can trust them) it is rare for people to question what they are being given.
in cosmetic world or food world, consumers are making the decision so for the manufacturers it is in there interest to use phrasing such as organic or pure in their advertising
the interesting event here in Oz about 3 months ago, one of the top 2 supermarket chains did a big promotion that their beef is 'hormone free' and you wont pay extra per kilo.
this was purely a selling ploy to entice customers from the opposition, as there has been no hormones allowed in beef for over 8 years so any beef you buy from the butcher or the supermarkets is hormone free.
the same for products that are tagged organic, (and are quite considerably dearer) quite often their first 'sell point' on the product is that it is hormone free.
in cosmetic world or food world, consumers are making the decision so for the manufacturers it is in there interest to use phrasing such as organic or pure in their advertising
the interesting event here in Oz about 3 months ago, one of the top 2 supermarket chains did a big promotion that their beef is 'hormone free' and you wont pay extra per kilo.
this was purely a selling ploy to entice customers from the opposition, as there has been no hormones allowed in beef for over 8 years so any beef you buy from the butcher or the supermarkets is hormone free.
the same for products that are tagged organic, (and are quite considerably dearer) quite often their first 'sell point' on the product is that it is hormone free.
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
Yep - that's one truth that can never be disputed.Mary Jo wrote:Just goes to show we are all different.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.