Good morning!
Recently a member PMed me to ask if this topic had ever been discussed here. I don't believe it has, so I am bringing it up. The member said it started with the MC and is extremely embarrassing. At unexpected times during the day, a little bit of liquid leaks out, and it is smells like fecal material. The best option is to shower and change immediately, which, of course, is not always possible.
I am wondering if this condition goes along with MC in some cases? Also, does anyone have any good suggestions for managing it?
Polly
Anal Leakage
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Anal Leakage
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Well heck, I just assumed that it did, because I had that problem on certain "bad" days. This is different than the "sudden urgency" issue, which is the most common problem, (at least sudden urgency was the most common problem for me). When it happens, you suddenly realize that, right out of the blue, you just had an accident, totally without warning.Polly wrote:I am wondering if this condition goes along with MC in some cases?
I wonder if the problem could be connected with fat malabsorption, since this is the way that Olestra "works".
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Hi again,
I should clarify something. The member who mentioned this emphasized that the leakage is clear in color, not just plain old D leaking out.
Tex, were you experiencing more D or a clear, malodorous discharge? Good idea about the fat malabsorption.
Polly
I should clarify something. The member who mentioned this emphasized that the leakage is clear in color, not just plain old D leaking out.
Tex, were you experiencing more D or a clear, malodorous discharge? Good idea about the fat malabsorption.
Polly
Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.
Hmmmmm. I don't recall it ever being completely clear.
Could we be talking about exogenous drainage due to inflamed tissue, (rather than actual anal leakage)? Unless the contents of the rectal lumen were clear, I don't see how any leakage could be clear. If the anal sphincter were inflamed, though, I could certainly visualize how clear fluids could be produced exogenously. Such drainage, (regardless of the location on the body), is often very malodorous, which, in many cases, could certainly be mistaken for a fecal essence.
It could also be due to discharge from an anal fistula, or possibly even yeast overgrowth. Either would certainly be accompanied by a bad odor.
Just thinking out loud, here.
Tex
Could we be talking about exogenous drainage due to inflamed tissue, (rather than actual anal leakage)? Unless the contents of the rectal lumen were clear, I don't see how any leakage could be clear. If the anal sphincter were inflamed, though, I could certainly visualize how clear fluids could be produced exogenously. Such drainage, (regardless of the location on the body), is often very malodorous, which, in many cases, could certainly be mistaken for a fecal essence.
It could also be due to discharge from an anal fistula, or possibly even yeast overgrowth. Either would certainly be accompanied by a bad odor.
Just thinking out loud, here.Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Hey all-
Until I got my test results from Entero lab and eliminated gluten, grains, dairy,soy and legumes my gut was so irritated that I would often have considerable Mucus.
Just a thought. Mucus is their from extreme irritation and is the body trying to protect itself . Never had leakage but mucus goes through really fast until one begins to heal.
If one had more than I did it might be hard to contain. Resulting in almost uncontrollable leakage.
So thankful that I got passed it.
Hope this is helpful.
Matthew
P.S. Don't usually get on this time of day but flew out of bed Wednesday night to grab the phone when a friend called asking me to take him to the ER in that he was passing a kidney stone. No good deed goes unpunished . I slammed my foot into the end of the couch in my rush and broke my toe.
Have to laugh. I don’t eat grain but this is a time that RICE really works.
Rest, Ice Compression, Elevation.
Until I got my test results from Entero lab and eliminated gluten, grains, dairy,soy and legumes my gut was so irritated that I would often have considerable Mucus.
Just a thought. Mucus is their from extreme irritation and is the body trying to protect itself . Never had leakage but mucus goes through really fast until one begins to heal.
If one had more than I did it might be hard to contain. Resulting in almost uncontrollable leakage.
So thankful that I got passed it.
Hope this is helpful.
Matthew
P.S. Don't usually get on this time of day but flew out of bed Wednesday night to grab the phone when a friend called asking me to take him to the ER in that he was passing a kidney stone. No good deed goes unpunished . I slammed my foot into the end of the couch in my rush and broke my toe.
Have to laugh. I don’t eat grain but this is a time that RICE really works.
Rest, Ice Compression, Elevation.
I've experienced mucus similar to what Matthew is describing - sometimes almost completely clear, and sometimes yellowish - but very transparent, not cloudy at all. I've noticed it along with D, and also on its own (probably when a bout of horrible battery acid left me with not much in my system?). I've also been fortunate never to have leakage, but did notice it was foul-smelling (in a weird, atypical way - but definitely unpleasant).
When I noticed it again after eliminating gluten and dairy, that's what motivated me to drop most other grains and soy. Now I'm finding it easier to have no grains and no legumes at all.
Sorry about your toe, Matthew! Yikes. Startling how such a tiny little corner of the body can cause so much pain as a toe... hope your non-grain RICE program is helping.
Best,
Sara
When I noticed it again after eliminating gluten and dairy, that's what motivated me to drop most other grains and soy. Now I'm finding it easier to have no grains and no legumes at all.
Sorry about your toe, Matthew! Yikes. Startling how such a tiny little corner of the body can cause so much pain as a toe... hope your non-grain RICE program is helping.
Best,
Sara
Matthew,
That's a real bummer about the toe. I like to look for a silver lining to every cloud, but even though that gives you an excuse to avoid work for a while, unfortunately it still doesn't qualify as a real vacation, because it will be hard to enjoy it.
I hear you on the "no good deed goes unpunished" remark. When I was a teenager, one night, one of my uncles, who lived past us on the same private road, had to call an ambulance, to go to the ER, (because of severe gastric bleeding). My dad followed the ambulance to the hospital, (20 miles away), so it was my duty to go inform another uncle and aunt, who lived a few miles away, and didn't have a phone. You know how kids are - I was in such a hurry, and so distracted with thoughts about all the things that I would need to do on the farm, in their absence, that I lost control on a corner, and totaled my car. The silver lining in that case, was the fact that I walked away from it, unscratched. Ever since then, I've always looked for the silver lining whenever anything bad happened.
Just curious - did you go ahead and drive your friend to the ER, or did he drive you?
I hope it heals quickly, with a minimum of aggravation,
Tex
That's a real bummer about the toe. I like to look for a silver lining to every cloud, but even though that gives you an excuse to avoid work for a while, unfortunately it still doesn't qualify as a real vacation, because it will be hard to enjoy it.
I hear you on the "no good deed goes unpunished" remark. When I was a teenager, one night, one of my uncles, who lived past us on the same private road, had to call an ambulance, to go to the ER, (because of severe gastric bleeding). My dad followed the ambulance to the hospital, (20 miles away), so it was my duty to go inform another uncle and aunt, who lived a few miles away, and didn't have a phone. You know how kids are - I was in such a hurry, and so distracted with thoughts about all the things that I would need to do on the farm, in their absence, that I lost control on a corner, and totaled my car.
The silver lining in that case, was the fact that I walked away from it, unscratched. Ever since then, I've always looked for the silver lining whenever anything bad happened.Just curious - did you go ahead and drive your friend to the ER, or did he drive you?
I hope it heals quickly, with a minimum of aggravation,
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Gloria-
Thanks, the RICE has really helped . I have never been able to sit around doing nothing and actually spent a few hours sitting on a stool at the bench finishing up some carvings that I promised for tomorrow.
Tex-
Thanks for the smile. I needed it. Did not even notice the pain until I got home from taking my friend to the ER safe and sound. He is doing fine. But I will tell you it might have worked either way though he was in far worse shape than I.
Like you I am the eternal optimist and always find the silver cloud and have a good laugh. But then..........Some times there is a small cloud in the silver lining. A good laugh and the cloud dissipates.
The city has been doing a lot of work in the area, gas lines and water lines. Considered stealing one of the orange traffic cones to put at the end of the couch.
A wonderful long time customer came by after lunch to pick up some work and said OH Heck You should have kept all that sixties bean bag furniture. Can't hit you toe on that. We both laughed like idiots and then even harder when I said Instead of a broken toe I would have two broken wrists.
Thanks for putting up with me.
Matthew
Thanks, the RICE has really helped . I have never been able to sit around doing nothing and actually spent a few hours sitting on a stool at the bench finishing up some carvings that I promised for tomorrow.
Tex-
Thanks for the smile. I needed it. Did not even notice the pain until I got home from taking my friend to the ER safe and sound. He is doing fine. But I will tell you it might have worked either way though he was in far worse shape than I.
Like you I am the eternal optimist and always find the silver cloud and have a good laugh. But then..........Some times there is a small cloud in the silver lining. A good laugh and the cloud dissipates.
The city has been doing a lot of work in the area, gas lines and water lines. Considered stealing one of the orange traffic cones to put at the end of the couch.
A wonderful long time customer came by after lunch to pick up some work and said OH Heck You should have kept all that sixties bean bag furniture. Can't hit you toe on that. We both laughed like idiots and then even harder when I said Instead of a broken toe I would have two broken wrists.
Thanks for putting up with me.
Matthew
Putting up with you? Hey, that's a two way street - the pleasure is ours.Matthew wrote:Thanks for putting up with me.
"Kicking furniture" reminds me of a time about 10 years ago, during a bad reaction, (before I discovered the diet), when I was having a bad night, complete with nightmares/hallucinations, and apparently I must have kicked a chest of drawers that was within kicking distance of the bed, because I woke up with with one foot out from under the sheets, and a couple of toes throbbing in pain.
I thought for sure one or both of them must be broken, but they finally settled down enough that I eventually managed to get back to sleep. I suppose the silver lining there was the fact that that my toes hurt so much that I forgot about all my other aches and pains, and my poor bloated gut, for a while. 
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Tex,
I agree with you - I think it is exogenous drainage due to inflammation. This particular member has significant inflammation throughout the entire GI tract, as well as hemorrhoids, which have been known to be a cause of anal leakage. I am picturing that serous (clear) fluid that develops on top of a skin rash or sore and am imagining it throughout the gut.
Mattthew,
Bummer about the toe. I broke a toe once and Sara put it beautifully when she talked about "a little corner of the body causing so much pain". It was one of the more painful experiences of my life. Hope it heals quickly, despite your advanced age. HAHAHAHAHA! Couldn't resist, after your post about being mistaken for a small elderly man!
Love,
Polly
I agree with you - I think it is exogenous drainage due to inflammation. This particular member has significant inflammation throughout the entire GI tract, as well as hemorrhoids, which have been known to be a cause of anal leakage. I am picturing that serous (clear) fluid that develops on top of a skin rash or sore and am imagining it throughout the gut.
Mattthew,
Bummer about the toe. I broke a toe once and Sara put it beautifully when she talked about "a little corner of the body causing so much pain". It was one of the more painful experiences of my life. Hope it heals quickly, despite your advanced age. HAHAHAHAHA! Couldn't resist, after your post about being mistaken for a small elderly man!
Love,
Polly
Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.