Very interesting information Tex. I had my acupuncturist test me for eggs today, as Enterolab said I was non-reactive, and MRT said highly reactive. Well, she figured out that I'm reactive to the whites, but not the yolks :). Perhaps it's the histamine in the whites I react to???
Love,
Kari
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Kari, that is so interesting - I would love to know how the acupuncturist's tests work.
I have heard that distinction before, eggs vs. whites. I think that albumin is super-concentrated in the whites (and they have less fat and are incomplete as a protein - but very high in that particular protein). It is interesting that the Enterolab tests didn't flag that for you... I would have guessed that they would. I sometimes wonder whether eggs are truly my friend, and was counting on that result to clarify... maybe it will just be one signpost on a long road.
Have you done a test-run with Histame yet, or are you going to introduce new variables only after your Norway trip? I'm not sure what I would choose to do... but I must decide soon, before our late-June trip. So far Histame has not had any negative effects that I can tell; I am using it for any out-of-the-house meal 'just in case' and for home-cooked foods that I know contain histamines (I am not eating much that I think has any risk at all). But this is a new area for me, so I cannot claim (despite Mary Beth's helpful link) to be entirely on top of this.
I wonder whether duck/goose eggs would be different. Or eggs from chickens raised on different feed. Of course the basic biology of eggs vs. whites would be very similar... but... a friend's CSA delivers their egg share with pencil marks on each egg naming which hen it came from. Harriet's eggs are a lovely blue-ish-greenish... is that better or worse?
Maybe you can start a business selling egg-whites to meringue-makers, and keep the yokes for your own use ;)
Will respond in your other thread - very encouraging!
Love,
Sara
I have heard that distinction before, eggs vs. whites. I think that albumin is super-concentrated in the whites (and they have less fat and are incomplete as a protein - but very high in that particular protein). It is interesting that the Enterolab tests didn't flag that for you... I would have guessed that they would. I sometimes wonder whether eggs are truly my friend, and was counting on that result to clarify... maybe it will just be one signpost on a long road.
Have you done a test-run with Histame yet, or are you going to introduce new variables only after your Norway trip? I'm not sure what I would choose to do... but I must decide soon, before our late-June trip. So far Histame has not had any negative effects that I can tell; I am using it for any out-of-the-house meal 'just in case' and for home-cooked foods that I know contain histamines (I am not eating much that I think has any risk at all). But this is a new area for me, so I cannot claim (despite Mary Beth's helpful link) to be entirely on top of this.
I wonder whether duck/goose eggs would be different. Or eggs from chickens raised on different feed. Of course the basic biology of eggs vs. whites would be very similar... but... a friend's CSA delivers their egg share with pencil marks on each egg naming which hen it came from. Harriet's eggs are a lovely blue-ish-greenish... is that better or worse?
Maybe you can start a business selling egg-whites to meringue-makers, and keep the yokes for your own use ;)
Will respond in your other thread - very encouraging!
Love,
Sara
Kari,
Yes, it's probably the histamine content in the egg white that's causing the problem, because Entorolab only tests for IgA antibodies to the primary protein in the egg albumen, (IOW, they only test for the albumin in the albumen. LOL). They don't test for histamines, obviously.
It's possible to be sensitive to one of the proteins in the yolk, but this seems to apply to very, very few people.
Sara,
At least one member who is sensitive to chicken eggs, is using duck eggs successfully. I believe that JoAnn is doing that, and there might be someone else, but I can't recall if anyone else has actually tried duck eggs.
Love,
Tex
Yes, it's probably the histamine content in the egg white that's causing the problem, because Entorolab only tests for IgA antibodies to the primary protein in the egg albumen, (IOW, they only test for the albumin in the albumen. LOL). They don't test for histamines, obviously.
It's possible to be sensitive to one of the proteins in the yolk, but this seems to apply to very, very few people.
Sara,
At least one member who is sensitive to chicken eggs, is using duck eggs successfully. I believe that JoAnn is doing that, and there might be someone else, but I can't recall if anyone else has actually tried duck eggs.
Love,
Tex
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Thanks Tex, I knew you'd know. 
I've eaten eggs successfully with the Histame supplement, I took 2 just to be sure. Last week I forgot to take 2 of them when eating chicken and paid the price.
This week I've been battling a chest infection and the D has returned. I'm hoping it's because my immune system is further compromised? It stinks after feeling well for a month.
I've eaten eggs successfully with the Histame supplement, I took 2 just to be sure. Last week I forgot to take 2 of them when eating chicken and paid the price.
This week I've been battling a chest infection and the D has returned. I'm hoping it's because my immune system is further compromised? It stinks after feeling well for a month.
Arlene
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Sara
re your question about acupunture testing foods
based on my experience the acupuncture assessment is similar to the BIA assessment just a slight different technique. The assessment is done via the reaction of the body. Kinnesiology works similar to this as well.
some snippets i borrowed from the net to help to explain it
a link to a study comparing the various testing methods
http://www.biomeridian.com/allergy-study.htm
One thing I have noticed since having MC is that some foods that are ok now, may not be ok in 12 - 18 months. Any assessment done via MRT, acupuncture, BIA or even keeping the diary and monitoring reactions, is based on that food at that point in time.
When i first had the BIA sweet potato came up as highly reactive, at the time i was eating twice the amount of sweet potato than other vegetables as for many months it had been the vegetable that settled the best. Post that assessment itweaked my eating plan and now eat equal amount of sweet potato to the other vegetables i eat, in the last BIA assessment sweet potato didnt come up as highly reactive.
the practioner did say that these changes are a little bit unique and that she had not seen a food change in status in a short period of time like that, we are attributing the change partly to the influence of MC on my body.
re your question about acupunture testing foods
based on my experience the acupuncture assessment is similar to the BIA assessment just a slight different technique. The assessment is done via the reaction of the body. Kinnesiology works similar to this as well.
some snippets i borrowed from the net to help to explain it
is based on the energy field of the human body and it uses a technique called muscle testing to evaluate fluctuations in that energy field. Acupuncture is a system of healing that has been around thousands of years. It is based on the flow and interaction of subtle forms of energy in the body. While this is still a new concept in Western medicine, energy healing is widely accepted in many parts of the world. Medical doctors often dismiss outright the concept of an energy field around the body, yet the existence of this field is easily demonstrated, as anyone who is "muscle-tested" will experience
Just as you can store electronic information on a computer disc, energy signatures can be imprinted on purified water and other substances. Those stored energy signatures can then be used to treat the body.
Every muscle in your body is controlled by nerves, which transmit electrical signals. If the body's energy field is disrupted, the electrical signals of the nerves are interfered with, and so the muscles cannot function at full capacity. It's sort of like a light on a dimmer switch. When the power to the light is flowing at full capacity, the light is bright. When the flow of electricity is interfered with (by means of the components of the dimmer switch), the light dims. If the nerve signals to your muscles are "dimmed", the muscle appears weak. In muscle testing, we assess energy pathways by touching points on the body or by contacting the body with a substance to check the body's reactivity to it. Although any muscle in the body can be used for testing, one of the most popular tests uses the deltoid muscles. Essentially, the person being tested holds his or her arm straight out to the side at shoulder level and the tester pushes down on the arm at the wrist or forearm. When an energy reaction occurs, the person being tested will be unable to resist the downward push from the tester where they had been able to easily resist before
a link to a study comparing the various testing methods
http://www.biomeridian.com/allergy-study.htm
One thing I have noticed since having MC is that some foods that are ok now, may not be ok in 12 - 18 months. Any assessment done via MRT, acupuncture, BIA or even keeping the diary and monitoring reactions, is based on that food at that point in time.
When i first had the BIA sweet potato came up as highly reactive, at the time i was eating twice the amount of sweet potato than other vegetables as for many months it had been the vegetable that settled the best. Post that assessment itweaked my eating plan and now eat equal amount of sweet potato to the other vegetables i eat, in the last BIA assessment sweet potato didnt come up as highly reactive.
the practioner did say that these changes are a little bit unique and that she had not seen a food change in status in a short period of time like that, we are attributing the change partly to the influence of MC on my body.
Gabes Ryan
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Sara,
The fresher the eggs the better when dealing with histamine. When you crack an egg the whites should be thick and the yolk should stand up - watery eggs are older eggs. Blood spots are also an sign of fresh eggs as they fade as the egg ages. Also be aware that eggs can be coated in soy oil (or mineral oil) to help extend their shelf life - potentially a problem for soy sensitive people. I've been buying yard eggs at the farmers market weekly and they are sooooo fresh. The yolks are almost orange and they are thick and delicious.
Mary Beth
The fresher the eggs the better when dealing with histamine. When you crack an egg the whites should be thick and the yolk should stand up - watery eggs are older eggs. Blood spots are also an sign of fresh eggs as they fade as the egg ages. Also be aware that eggs can be coated in soy oil (or mineral oil) to help extend their shelf life - potentially a problem for soy sensitive people. I've been buying yard eggs at the farmers market weekly and they are sooooo fresh. The yolks are almost orange and they are thick and delicious.
Mary Beth
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Mary Beth - once local farm eggs became available here, we never looked back. They are so much better than even the most 'natural' the supermarket has to offer. I hadn't thought about either soy on the shells, or the difference in consistency. Thanks for that, I'll keep an eye on it.
I had hatched (ha) a plot to get chickens, and keep them in my neighbor's backyard, where I'd help her kids do the main caretaking. She was all for it... but she has moved, and the very glamorous couple who bought the house - well, probably I should get to know them before I conclude they wouldn't like to have chickens.
Maybe they would enjoy A DUCK? I think we really don't have room, sadly.
Thanks for this - very much. I'm pretty sure you're right that I need to keep an eye on histamines and may have a mast cell issue. I'm treating that like a known fact for now.
Love,
Sara
I had hatched (ha) a plot to get chickens, and keep them in my neighbor's backyard, where I'd help her kids do the main caretaking. She was all for it... but she has moved, and the very glamorous couple who bought the house - well, probably I should get to know them before I conclude they wouldn't like to have chickens.
Maybe they would enjoy A DUCK? I think we really don't have room, sadly.
Thanks for this - very much. I'm pretty sure you're right that I need to keep an eye on histamines and may have a mast cell issue. I'm treating that like a known fact for now.
Love,
Sara
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Sure, MC doesn't make us immune to D from other causes. The bad news is that if it goes on long enough, it will tend to regenerate inflammation, and we all know where that can lead. 
Hopefully, whatever you have picked up will soon run it's course, and homeostasis will return.
Tex
Hopefully, whatever you have picked up will soon run it's course, and homeostasis will return.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Gabes - love your thorough answer regarding the acupuncture - it couldn't have been put more succinctly.
Sara - I think Gabes and Tex have answered your questions. Thanks for the feedback on histame - I haven't tried it yet, but it's on my list :). After my latest debacle with a probiotic, I'm incredibly leary of anything that comes in pill form, so the testing will most likely wait until after my trip.
Love,
Kari
Sara - I think Gabes and Tex have answered your questions. Thanks for the feedback on histame - I haven't tried it yet, but it's on my list :). After my latest debacle with a probiotic, I'm incredibly leary of anything that comes in pill form, so the testing will most likely wait until after my trip.
Love,
Kari
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As Gabes mentioned there has been a fringe area of western medicine that looks at the energy field around a living being. In eastern medicine this has been an accepted concept for quite a while.
Interestingly enough, we are just at the point in science at being able to actually see these energy fields as an image. Some of the research I have been directing over the last 7 years has to do with the imaging of very very small levels light, single photon. With that we can see things we have never been able to see before. As part of that we have images of an optical hue around people and it seems that everyone is a bit different and varies over time.
No work has been done to understand this as of yet but the effect is real.
Joe
Interestingly enough, we are just at the point in science at being able to actually see these energy fields as an image. Some of the research I have been directing over the last 7 years has to do with the imaging of very very small levels light, single photon. With that we can see things we have never been able to see before. As part of that we have images of an optical hue around people and it seems that everyone is a bit different and varies over time.
No work has been done to understand this as of yet but the effect is real.
Joe
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Thank you. I thought that's what you had said before. I'm hoping that's what I'm dealing with. I can't imagine eliminating any of the 13 items I can currently eat with any degree of regularity.Gabes-Apg wrote:Arlene
change in BM texture and fatigue are my signals that my immune is working overtime on 'something'
Arlene
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