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Hi all,

Thank you for your suggestions. I went to the doctor today (D.O.) She said that I shouldn't take a hot bath or shower because heat can exacerbate a histamine reaction. She prescribeD a stronger steroid cream if the one I'm taking (Triamcinolone Acetonide 0.1%) stops helping. She didn't give me the name of it, but it's not Clobetasol. She said it's a little stronger. I asked about spraying Epsom salt water on the rash and she said she wouldn't recommend it. No reason given why not. She said I should put the steroid cream on twice a day. She also said I should try to not scratch when I itch :shock: because scratching increases the histamines.

I asked if I could take Claritin more than once a day because I notice that it wears off by evening. She said no, I shouldn't. She suggested Allegra, but I had gas and gurgling when I tested it earlier in the year. I noticed that the Benadryl spray shouldn't be taken in conjunction with a Benadryl pill. Gold Bond medicated cream has helped a lot, though.

She thinks this is an allergic reaction, but wants me to see a dermatologist to make sure it's not something more serious. She gave me the name of the same guy I saw the last time I had a rash from the generic detergent. I don't think it will do any good to see him. She asked me if my GI knows that I'm eating such a restricted diet because of my MC. I told her that he doesn't believe that diet has any effect on it, so I only see him when I need the meds.

When I woke up this morning, I decided to lay on my side with my back exposed to the air. It felt very cool and soothing. I told DH that I should garden in my birthday suit for the next few days. :grin: However, the doctor said that I should stay out of the sun as much as possible, which we've already discussed. In the evening I sit on the couch with an inflatable cushion supporting my back. I've replaced it with a mesh back support so that I'm not heating my back all the time. I think that's one reason it seems to be worse in bed. I sleep on my back, so once again, it's not getting any air and is warm all night. The rash has progressed since we closed the windows in our bedroom.

You'd think that my MC would be better because I'm taking Benadryl and Claritin, but it seems to have gotten worse. There's probably something in the Claritin Redi-Tabs that's bothering me. :shrug:

Julie,
You are right on target. I had reduced my Entocort dosage by one pill every three days for three weeks. I wasn't having any problems, so I reduced it by one pill every other day. I began having looser stools after a week, so I went back to my regular two pills a day for three days. I believe that my rash began to get worse when I reduced Entocort by one pill every other day. I also have been eating one or two more dried mango slices a day than I used to. As I wrote before, I love them and mango is the only fruit I've been able to eat. It's very hard to give them up. Most things seem to point to this being a histamine reaction.

Zizzle,
I don't know if I'm allergic to poison ivy, but I had to give up cashews early in my MC. BTW, I told the Dr. that I've switched to Dove shampoo since my scalp has been itching. She said that was a good, mild shampoo.

One day at a time....

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Gloria
It still gobsmacks me how super sensitive us MC’ers are. A slight change in your meds and a slight increase in mango and this is the outcome. Aside from not being fair, it would maybe be easier to accept if we knew why.

I hope it settles down before your trip. Will you be doing more family history research?

I haven’t had any fruit other than small amount of apple sauce for almost 3 years. A couple of times when in the health foods supermarket, I have bought fresh organic apples with the intent in trying to introduce them to my eating plan and within a day the conditions are not right and I cant risk any reactions occurring.
The state I live in is known as ‘tropical qld’ and it grows a lot of the tropical fruit that is supplied around Australia. Strawberries are in season at the moment and it wont be too long before things like Mangos are in all the stores. Within 1.5hrs drive of where I live is where a lot of the stone fruit is grown, peaches, plums, etc.

I keep telling myself, one day…. I will be able to eat some apple.
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Oh, Gloria, you are hysterically funny, I love that you said " I should garden in my birthday suit for the next few days", as clearly you know as much as the people you are dealing with here, who obviously have no idea what to do with you and your quirky "problems". I have little to add but my empathy, having been through years of seeing a dermatologist to find out why the skin on my hands and feet were peeling off in sheets. They never did find a reason, they disagreed on the cause, it eventually stopped when I wasn't in so much stress.

Do what you can to reduce your stress, Gloria. I know I'd be stressed if I were taking a trip next week.
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Hi Gloria,
Allergic dermatitis can be such a crazy thing when trying to find the trigger. I disagree with your doctor about Dove shampoo. I haven't checked it out lately, but I stay clear of all non-healthfood store shampoos. The preservatives alone are scary. I wouldn't even use regular baby shampoo, since most still contain parabens or formaldehyde. I think some of the mildest brands include California Baby, Aubrey, Jason's, and a few others. My kids use Rainbow brand. If I don't know each ingredient, I don't buy it. The EWG database is most helpful in identifying a good brand. Avoiding soy and wheat are the challenge sometimes with natural brands.

Given the rash is on your neck and back, changing shampoos, conditioner and styling aids is key.

I do spritz my bangs with a tiny bit of Dove hairspray, which has a relatively short ingredient list. And I use plain Dove soap on my body.

I used Clorox Greenworks laundry detergent for years, but most stores stopped selling it, so I just changed to Safeway's natural brand, Bright Green. It's even milder than the Greenworks (no color and only lavender oil for light fragrance).

I'll let you know which shampoo I settle on if I ever get a chance to go shopping at Whole Foods or Vitamin Shoppe.

Here is the EWG datadase to compare hair products:
http://www.ewg.org/skindeep/
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Gloria, I'm just taking a stab in the dark but could it be something connected to your gardening?

You sure have it rough.
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Gloria,
Here's one example of a Dove shampoo - the moisturising variety.

http://www.ewg.org/skindeep/product/127 ... _Shampoos/
Water (aqua)|Ammonium Lauryl Sulfate|Ammonium Laureth Sulfate|Glycol Distearate|Dimethiconol|Carbomer|Amodimethicone|Ammonium Chloride|Guar Hydroxypropyltrimonium Chloride|TEA-Dodecylbenzenesulfonate|Tetrasoidum EDTA|DMDM Hydantoin|CII-15 Pareth-7|Laureth-9|Ammonium Xylenesulfonate|PEG-45M|Trideceth-12|PPG-9|Lysine Hydrochloride|Silk Amino Acid (Alanine|Glycine|Serine|Arginine|Isoleucine|Cystine|Histidine|Glutamic Acid]|Borage (Borago Officinalis) Extract [Palmitic Acid|Stearic Acid|Linoleic Acid|Oleic Acid|Eicosenoic Acid]|Methychloroisothiazoline|Methylisothazolinone|Ext. Violet 2 (CI 60730)
Recognise anything in there? Me neither!

It rates high for allergies and immunotoxicity. I have read that Methychloroisothiazoline & Methylisothazolinone are especially likely to cause allergic reactions. Companies started using them as a preservative when the public freaked out over parabens (endocrine inhibitors). So just because a shampoo may advertise as paraben-free, doesn't mean it's any safer from an allergy perspective.

I just looked over some of the brands I mentioned. Unfortunately, California Baby uses sodium benzoate (which I reacted to on MRT) and Aubrey uses lots of soy protein. My search will be tougher than I expected!!


One product I can vouch for is my kids' shampoo which I will start using regularly. It looks very safe for us and is cheap to boot. I recall it cleaning my hair nicely...

http://www.vitacost.com/rainbow-researc ... -unscented

Ingredients: Purified water, lauryl glucoside (corn), decyl glucoside (corn), coco betaine (coconut), sodium myreth sulfate (coconut/palm), tocopheryl acetate (vitamin E), sodium chloride, phenoxytol (green tea extract), organic extracts of chamomile, clover, comfrey, and balsam, biotin, sorbitol, polysorbate-20 and grapefruit seed extract (preservative).
Their detangling conditioner is excellent too...very emollient...a little goes a long way.
Ingredients: Purified water, certified organic herbal extracts of calendula (marigold), chamomile, aloe vera & lemon grass. biotin, sorbitol, coconut wax, stearic acid (palm), vitamin E, phenoxytol (green tea), grapefruit seed extract, and fragrance.
I buy them both at Vitamin Shoppe.
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I posted a response earlier, but it disappeared. Gotta love technology.

I so appreciate your insights and suggestions. Right now, I'm still perplexed at what has caused this, and it is beginning to travel down my backside onto the back of my legs.

I haven't mentioned where we'll be travelling. We are at long-last taking a trip to the northeast: Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine, within range of meeting some of you lobstah-lovers, if possible. But no fish or lobstah for me. Joe, did you ever find a picture of your "kitchen" set-up in your Ford Explorer? I'd still love to see it, and I'm sure others would. I'll try to post the set-up in my Toyota to put on the board before we take off.

Gabes,
I will be spending one day in Vermont doing research. Got to justify the trip somehow.

Connie,
Yes, I've been going through a lot of stress this past week, especially when our weekend reservations (which were hard to get in the first place) were cancelled by the hotel. I turned over the solution to DH and he found us places to stay.

Charlotte,
Yes, working in the garden irritates my skin. My left arm (I'm left-handed) is has itchy bumps on it from plucking seeds from zinnias, my favorite flower. DH has been picking the vegetables. I wash my arms as soon as I'm done, but the bumps are still there.

Zizzle,
Thank you for your suggestion about the shampoo. I'm going to The Vitamin Shoppe to get more Culturelle and Strontium, so I'll look for the shampoo. I bought pure glycerin soap today for showering and my face. The ingredients in Dove for sensitive skin looked too long. We'll see how the glycerin does. I looked at the ingredients in my Eucerin facial moisturizer and it contains tocoferol, which can be soy-based. Sigh. I thought Eucerin was safe. The EWG database looks very helpful.

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Gloria, I'll have to send you a pair of my arm gators, my new venture as a possible next career. Sent a pair to Tex, he seemed to think they were marketable.
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Yep, they definitely offer protection for your arms. :thumbsup:

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the trip sounds really great Gloria....
I wish i had the spare time to spend time on my family history... this working thing interupts all the fun!!!
Very exciting that you and DH will get to me some PP'ers etc

Here in Aus i can get pure rosehip oil that i use as a moisturiser. no soy, no wheatgerm, no long list of chemicals. All it has is rosa canina seed extract (organic as well) it is $20 a 23ml bottle, but you only need a couple of drops for your face so it lasts a few months, so when you buy it, it seems expensive but compared to all the other 'natural' type moisterisers it is cheaper AND it doesnt have the long list of ingredients...

it is not the easiest for me to search google to see if it is available in the USA. If you are interested and can not find some, let me know and I will post some over for you to try.

maybe the change of air and the distraction of family history research will help things (well that is my heartfelt wish for you)
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I had already thrown out most of my creams and lotions after checking the ingredients and finding things like wheat and soy in them but somehow I forgot to check my shampoo and now that is gone too after I checked it yesterday. I think I am going to try homemade. Supposedly baking soda and water will do the trick as a shampoo so I will try that first since I don't need to go out and buy anything. I also found a recipe for coconut milk shampoo that uses coconut milk and pure castile soap, so that will be next if I don't like the baking soda. Maybe I'll even end up saving money.

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Things seem better today. I haven't itched very much, but I've been standing most of the day, baking. Now that I've sat down, I'm feeling itchy. I think the pressure of the seat and back stimulates the release of histamine in the bumps. Gee, do I have to kneel in the van during the trip next week?

I washed today with the glycerin soap and decided to wash the back of my head, too. I was surprised that it suds up; using it as a body soap doesn't suds at all. I might try using it for shampoo. I looked at the Kids' Rainbow shampoo at the Vitamin Shoppe, recommended by Zizzle. It had a lot of natural herbs and flowers as sources of the ingredients. I'm not sure if I would react to any of them, so I'm sticking with the glycerin soap for now.

The same thing is true for castile soap, Ivory, etc. I worry about the coconut and palm oils. I don't know if I would react to them. It seems the odds for me are that I could.

The arm gators sound interesting, Connie. I'm trying to visualize them. Today I wore a jacket while gathering seeds, so my arms are unscathed.

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Hi Gloria,

Sorry to hear you're having a tough time. Thought I'd tell you about the shampoo I'm using, which might work for you:

Magick Botanicals is the name of it.

fragrance free
gluten free
corn free
soy free
wheat free
egg free
dairy free
no tree nut or peanut oils

Ingredients:
purified water
alpha olefin sulfonate
cocomidopropyl betaine
cocomide MEA
methylparaben
propylparaben

I've been using if for a long time, and love it. I buy it at Natural Grocers (formerly Vitamin Cottage).

Hope you get better soon :xfingers: , and wish you a wonderful trip in the Northeast. I'm sure that meeting up with some PP'ers would be great fun. Can't wait to hear how it goes.

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Interesting. Last Saturday I started noticing a few itchy bumps here and there, and I thought they were bug bites, but then Sunday they started spreading all across my arm and eventually moved to my chest, neck, stomach, back, and legs. I went to the doctor and she gave me some cream and put my on Zyrtec and Benadryl, which is helping. But, if I miss a dose they come back. The doctor seemed to think it was related to the cold I have right now or the huge amount of stress I'm currently under because I've had extensive allergy testing done and I haven't started eating new foods or using different detergents or body wash products. It's a total mystery to me. I hope yours goes away soon!
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I was doing some searching on the web and discovered something interesting. As Zizzle mentioned, mango is in the same family as Poison Ivy. Not only is it in the same family, but the sap from a mango tree, or even sap residue on the skin of a mango can produce the same itchy symptoms as poison ivy. The substance is called Urushiol and it can take a couple of weeks for the itchiness and rash to go away.

Many people get a severe reaction (swelling, blisters) on their lips and mouth from eating the skin, or flesh near the skin of the mango. There can also be a reaction from eating underripe mangos, or by buying a green, underripe mango and eating it after it has ripened. Which is exactly what I did a couple of weeks ago. I had a hard time finding ripe mangos, so I bought two very dark green ones and let them ripen. One went bad, but I cut the other one and ate some.

My rash is more tolerable and hopefully getting better. I found a picture of someone with a rash from mango on their back. I sent it to DH and he was surprised that it looked just like my rash.

What's not clear is whether this is a classic allergy, meaning that mango must be avoided from the reaction forward, or whether it's a reaction to the Urushiol and not the fruit itself. Some people can continue to eat mango, but others cannot. I would easily give it up, but it's the only fruit I can eat thus far. I am missing it already. Plus, I need the nutrients. I'm going to wait until the rash clears up and try eating a small amount to see if I react. I really don't want to go through this again, though.

Then again, I could be all wet, and this could be caused by something completely unrelated to mango. I was unaware of the potential problems associated with mangos and thought most of you probably were also.

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