Primal Cravings
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Leah, I just bought the TJ cashew flour. Haven't had the nerve to try it yet, since I only reintroduced nuts to my autoimmune paleo diet in the last week. I only introduced Justin's maple almond butter (I couldn't resist anymore), and my Oskiri Cashew bars. No reaction whatsoever, thank goodness. I once went on a paleo baking binge, baking large quantities of almond meal goodies, but it did not seem natural to eat so many nuts. I agree, if paleo, forget trying to make everything seem like junk food!
I've always considered tapioca to be paleo approved, but I rarely eat it. I made a raw cacao/tapioca/coconut milk pudding and it was AMAZING. So much so, that I easily ate 3 helpings in one sitting, then proceeded to have the worst case of gas I'd had in YEARS. I almost never pass gas when my MC is under control. I'm not sure if that means I'm sensitive to tapioca, or if all the starch and sugar were a feast for my gut microbes. I'm willing to try that experiment again. I dream of it often...
I've always considered tapioca to be paleo approved, but I rarely eat it. I made a raw cacao/tapioca/coconut milk pudding and it was AMAZING. So much so, that I easily ate 3 helpings in one sitting, then proceeded to have the worst case of gas I'd had in YEARS. I almost never pass gas when my MC is under control. I'm not sure if that means I'm sensitive to tapioca, or if all the starch and sugar were a feast for my gut microbes. I'm willing to try that experiment again. I dream of it often...
1987 Mononucleosis (EBV)
2004 Hypomyopathic Dermatomyositis
2009 Lymphocytic Colitis
2010 GF/DF/SF Diet
2014 Low Dose Naltrexone
2004 Hypomyopathic Dermatomyositis
2009 Lymphocytic Colitis
2010 GF/DF/SF Diet
2014 Low Dose Naltrexone
I don't do any baking so I don't use nut flours. I do eat a handful of almonds every day. It's part of my night time ritual. I take the dog out then come in and feed the 4 pet rats an almond each. They are always eagerly awaiting their treat at the edge of their cage. Then I eat a small handful myself, about 1/2 ounce. The only non-paleo food in my diet is my square of dark chocolate that I have every day. Other than that it is meat and veggies with coconut oil or olive oil and about 2 ounces of nuts and seeds. I figure that nuts in small quantity pose no danger, either to me or the rats.
Jean
Jean
Good Morning!
Lesley,
I am laughing trying to picture you sinking your teeth into raw meat and gnawing on a bone! Cave woman - NOT!!! I agree we are lucky that we are able to make modifications to paleo foods to make them more palatable. Most here must feel the same way. Do you remember our famous "paleo muffin" thread? I think it may elicited have more interest and response than almost any other thread I can remember! And you are so right about our tools - my immersion wand has become my best friend when making soup.
I am sad to hear about your continuing struggles. RATZ. I'm sure at least some of your problems are related to PPS. Too bad not many docs are familiar with it. You know, at one point I tried to track down that doc who had published info on his experience with PPS, but I had no luck. I believe he's quite old now and living in Europe. I recall that you were on quite a few meds. Have you been able to reduce any of them?
Re your cashew vs. almond question: cashews have less omega 6 fats but more phytic acid. So I guess it depends on which you believe is more harmful. I am like you - MRT showed me sensitive to both almonds and cashews.
Tex, my wish to eat cheese again will probably never come true. If I could eat a small piece every few months or so with no symptoms, I might, antibodies or not. IOW, if I could keep the antibodies quite low and below a threshhold, I might attempt it. But, given my continuing immediate reaction to dairy (for 14 years now), I don't think that day will ever come. Battery acid D within 2 hours is no fun and is a great deterrent to eating cheese or any dairy. LOL.
Love,
Polly
P.S. Jean, you have pet rats? My girlfriend has 2 pet mice. She caught them in humane traps and now they are pets, with a cage and toys. She named them "Pat" and "Sean", unisex names because because she doesn't know their sexes. And she feeds each one an almond every night. This is my same friend who has 3 rescue dogs and 2 pigs that live inside the house!
Lesley,
I am laughing trying to picture you sinking your teeth into raw meat and gnawing on a bone! Cave woman - NOT!!! I agree we are lucky that we are able to make modifications to paleo foods to make them more palatable. Most here must feel the same way. Do you remember our famous "paleo muffin" thread? I think it may elicited have more interest and response than almost any other thread I can remember! And you are so right about our tools - my immersion wand has become my best friend when making soup.
I am sad to hear about your continuing struggles. RATZ. I'm sure at least some of your problems are related to PPS. Too bad not many docs are familiar with it. You know, at one point I tried to track down that doc who had published info on his experience with PPS, but I had no luck. I believe he's quite old now and living in Europe. I recall that you were on quite a few meds. Have you been able to reduce any of them?
Re your cashew vs. almond question: cashews have less omega 6 fats but more phytic acid. So I guess it depends on which you believe is more harmful. I am like you - MRT showed me sensitive to both almonds and cashews.
Tex, my wish to eat cheese again will probably never come true. If I could eat a small piece every few months or so with no symptoms, I might, antibodies or not. IOW, if I could keep the antibodies quite low and below a threshhold, I might attempt it. But, given my continuing immediate reaction to dairy (for 14 years now), I don't think that day will ever come. Battery acid D within 2 hours is no fun and is a great deterrent to eating cheese or any dairy. LOL.
Love,
Polly
P.S. Jean, you have pet rats? My girlfriend has 2 pet mice. She caught them in humane traps and now they are pets, with a cage and toys. She named them "Pat" and "Sean", unisex names because because she doesn't know their sexes. And she feeds each one an almond every night. This is my same friend who has 3 rescue dogs and 2 pigs that live inside the house!
Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.
The rats are a result of my inability to deny my granddaughter. She wanted mice but I discovered that rats make the better pets so now I have 4 of them. They are quite sweet and friendly but a bit of work. They are all males. She named them Caliban, Ariel, Hecate and Malcolm (she is part of a youth Shakespeare group). When she visits she does spend a few minutes talking to them and then she goes on to other things like her Ipad. She did once help me clean the cage. At home she has a dog (the second dog was just put to sleep at the age of 14), 2 cats, a chinchilla and some chickens. We also have an adopted elephant that resides in Africa named Murka. Wen she was in third grade she talked about her elephant in a show and tell I believe, and one of the children asked if she kept it in her back yard.Polly wrote: P.S. Jean, you have pet rats? My girlfriend has 2 pet mice. She caught them in humane traps and now they are pets, with a cage and toys. She named them "Pat" and "Sean", unisex names because because she doesn't know their sexes. And she feeds each one an almond every night. This is my same friend who has 3 rescue dogs and 2 pigs that live inside the house!
Jean
Polly,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree that if the antibodies can be kept low, they can be disregarded. The problem is that oral tolerance is gained by beginning very low and slowly increasing quantities without exceeding the reaction threshold. This of course requires regular dosing (because oral tolerance is typically lost, if not maintained on a regular schedule), which virtually guarantees relatively high antibody levels, since antibody levels are directly related to the total elapsed time of exposure. As best I can determine, that implies that oral immunotherapy methods are guaranteed to force an elevated antibody level while inducing oral tolerance of an allergen.
I've been avoiding casein long enough by now that I would probably no longer be tolerant of it, if I tried it now.
Love,
Tex
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I agree that if the antibodies can be kept low, they can be disregarded. The problem is that oral tolerance is gained by beginning very low and slowly increasing quantities without exceeding the reaction threshold. This of course requires regular dosing (because oral tolerance is typically lost, if not maintained on a regular schedule), which virtually guarantees relatively high antibody levels, since antibody levels are directly related to the total elapsed time of exposure. As best I can determine, that implies that oral immunotherapy methods are guaranteed to force an elevated antibody level while inducing oral tolerance of an allergen.
I've been avoiding casein long enough by now that I would probably no longer be tolerant of it, if I tried it now.
Love,
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
I have tried to write on this thread 3 times now, but the computer seems to have developed a mind of it's own. I just spent an hour with a Dell technician roaming the computer's insides from India, and making it easier for me. Impressive!
Polly - I just used my immersion wand to make a new pot of asparagus soup. I love it. Both the wand and the soup.
BTW - asparagus is a natural diuretic. I pee so much when I eat it, and it smells so strange!
I know you offered to look for the doctor. I didn't know you actually did it. You are a wonder. I thank you so much!
For the time being I have more or less given up improving, and am working hard to not get any worse. As long as I don't have WD all the time, and am not suffering days and days of C I am surviving. I can't remember ever not feeling a degree of pain and tiredness, even as a child.
This could also be connected with PPS. I have never been able to increase strength and stamina through exercising. It takes all my time and energy just to maintain, and when I have a setback like the latest accident to my back I cannot get back to where I was. This is very typical of PPS. Also, the exhaustion issue. I have had attacks of exhaustion all my life. As a child, when I complained of pain and tiredness, I was told that "everyone has pain and is tired", so, like many PPS sufferers, I just pushed through it, and, as is now known, did more damage.
Now, given the MC, exhaustion has become a big part of my life. I am always very tired, and mostly super exhausted. My digestive tract never feels comfortable. I am always aware of some part or of all of it.
So, if PPS does affect the gut, and my other symptoms ARE part of PPS, then it stands to reason it is all connected.
Re: meds. I am taking metoprolol 25 mgs, Nifiderpine 15 mgs, zolpidoerm 2.5 mgs, nexium 40 mgs QD, pantoprazole sodium 40 mgs QD, carafate suspension 1 gm BID, and am trying to cut down on the 100 mgs of Nortryptiline QD that I take. I am emptying some of the powder out of the capsule nightly so as to titrate very slowly. I had a lot of trouble with kicking effexor. I am trying to go slowly to prevent side effects as much as possible.
I have cut back on almost everything significantly, and seem to be doing OK with it.
The pain doc prescribed me Fortical for the OP. I am also supposed to use Estrase for vaginal atrophy, but I keep forgetting.
I just ordered vacuum packed roasted chestnuts from Amazon. I will try it and let you know how it works. I am going to get a dehydrator so I can dry them out even more for flour.
I don't know what is worse. I know that Enterolab said I am sensitive to almonds and cashews on an intermediate level. Pecans are the best for me. I think I need to cut down on nuts.
I am trying very hard to kick sugar. I haven't managed to get rid of it completely, but have cut it down significantly. I chew gum to keep my mouth moist and to fight GERD (yes I know it's not good, but I chew it for 3 days before I change it.) And am using a little xylatol (also not good, but it's helping me get rid of sugar cravings).
Actually, it doesn't seem to make a difference. Symptoms remain the same no matter what I do.
I know what missing cheese feels like. I hope you can have a little at some time!
Jean, I LOVE the story of your granddaughter and the rats. My ex DIL LOVED rats. My son got her some for her birthday. Neither lasted. The rats and the DIL.
Zizzle - post the recipe for your tapioca pudding. Sounds like a keeper, gas or no gas. Take a beano, and enjoy.
I am so sure paleo man (and woman) had their own version of junkfood using the tools at their disposal. Maybe they found a tuber and smeared it with honey. We can use the same ingredients ground up and put them in the oven to get a cookie.
Tex - I remember you got a test that showed you are producing antibodies to casein. What would happen if you had ice cream once a month or so?
Oh and Polly - I still make paleo muffins every now and again. Reminds me to get muffin cases, and make them with chestnut flour.
Polly - I just used my immersion wand to make a new pot of asparagus soup. I love it. Both the wand and the soup.
BTW - asparagus is a natural diuretic. I pee so much when I eat it, and it smells so strange!
I know you offered to look for the doctor. I didn't know you actually did it. You are a wonder. I thank you so much!
For the time being I have more or less given up improving, and am working hard to not get any worse. As long as I don't have WD all the time, and am not suffering days and days of C I am surviving. I can't remember ever not feeling a degree of pain and tiredness, even as a child.
This could also be connected with PPS. I have never been able to increase strength and stamina through exercising. It takes all my time and energy just to maintain, and when I have a setback like the latest accident to my back I cannot get back to where I was. This is very typical of PPS. Also, the exhaustion issue. I have had attacks of exhaustion all my life. As a child, when I complained of pain and tiredness, I was told that "everyone has pain and is tired", so, like many PPS sufferers, I just pushed through it, and, as is now known, did more damage.
Now, given the MC, exhaustion has become a big part of my life. I am always very tired, and mostly super exhausted. My digestive tract never feels comfortable. I am always aware of some part or of all of it.
So, if PPS does affect the gut, and my other symptoms ARE part of PPS, then it stands to reason it is all connected.
Re: meds. I am taking metoprolol 25 mgs, Nifiderpine 15 mgs, zolpidoerm 2.5 mgs, nexium 40 mgs QD, pantoprazole sodium 40 mgs QD, carafate suspension 1 gm BID, and am trying to cut down on the 100 mgs of Nortryptiline QD that I take. I am emptying some of the powder out of the capsule nightly so as to titrate very slowly. I had a lot of trouble with kicking effexor. I am trying to go slowly to prevent side effects as much as possible.
I have cut back on almost everything significantly, and seem to be doing OK with it.
The pain doc prescribed me Fortical for the OP. I am also supposed to use Estrase for vaginal atrophy, but I keep forgetting.
I just ordered vacuum packed roasted chestnuts from Amazon. I will try it and let you know how it works. I am going to get a dehydrator so I can dry them out even more for flour.
I don't know what is worse. I know that Enterolab said I am sensitive to almonds and cashews on an intermediate level. Pecans are the best for me. I think I need to cut down on nuts.
I am trying very hard to kick sugar. I haven't managed to get rid of it completely, but have cut it down significantly. I chew gum to keep my mouth moist and to fight GERD (yes I know it's not good, but I chew it for 3 days before I change it.) And am using a little xylatol (also not good, but it's helping me get rid of sugar cravings).
Actually, it doesn't seem to make a difference. Symptoms remain the same no matter what I do.
I know what missing cheese feels like. I hope you can have a little at some time!
Jean, I LOVE the story of your granddaughter and the rats. My ex DIL LOVED rats. My son got her some for her birthday. Neither lasted. The rats and the DIL.
Zizzle - post the recipe for your tapioca pudding. Sounds like a keeper, gas or no gas. Take a beano, and enjoy.
I am so sure paleo man (and woman) had their own version of junkfood using the tools at their disposal. Maybe they found a tuber and smeared it with honey. We can use the same ingredients ground up and put them in the oven to get a cookie.
Tex - I remember you got a test that showed you are producing antibodies to casein. What would happen if you had ice cream once a month or so?
Oh and Polly - I still make paleo muffins every now and again. Reminds me to get muffin cases, and make them with chestnut flour.
Probably that would make me crave ice cream.Lesley wrote:Tex - I remember you got a test that showed you are producing antibodies to casein. What would happen if you had ice cream once a month or so?
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Hi Polly,Polly wrote:LYN, what is K2, mark4? I am clueless! I am envious that you have been able to add a little dairy back in. Someday I hope to enjoy a little cheese again. But it has been 14 years since I got MC, and I still can't tolerate it. Sigh.
Love,
Polly
There are two main types of vitamin K - K1 and K2. K2 is then further broken down into a range of subforms.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... efits.aspx
Anyways, it is beloved of the Weston A Price followers:
http://www.westonaprice.org/fat-soluble ... vitamin-k2
And given I have periodontal issues I am interested in pursuing it.
http://freetheanimal.com/2008/11/vitami ... -mk-4.html
It also differs acording to type of cheese (Or more likely, source of original milk and culture used). With Brie and Edam being very good sources. Some of my favourites. How convenient.
I just had some fully demeter sheeps milk yoghurt with lunch. Sadly not really a good source of K2Mk4, but probably a good source of calcium. Or something else I need. Maybe just a good source of yums?
OK, I'll admit it. I have been enjoying eating dairy again after years without it. Mostly cultured, as that serves a double purpose of being yummy and getting some more good bugs into my gut.
I don't pretend to be perfectly paleo. Almost following Mark Sisson's Primal Blueprint, but mainly trying to work out what gives optimum health for me. And at the moment that means experimenting with my microbiota; with resistant starches, probiotics and fermented foods. It has enough positive impacts to keep me pursuring it. And keeping fingers crossed that I don't fall back to LC.
Polly, I hope one day you can enjoy a piece of cheese too.
Lyn