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I mentioned those bars in the book because back when I was writing it (4–5 years ago), snack bars were popular among the members here. Back then there were some safe options available. I tried a few when I was recovering, but they were so expensive that I never adopted them as a regular habit.

I haven't kept up with the current offerings, but I notice that the topic rarely comes up on this forum any more, so I wonder why they have lost popularity. For all I know their ingredient lists have all shifted too far toward the health food side, and none of them are safe anymore. I recall that Gorilla Bars were once suggested by someone here, but when I look at their ingredient lists now, the lists are ridiculously long and contain all sorts of "healthy" ingredients that are definitely not "healthy" for us. As a rule of thumb (for MC patients), any processed food that contains more than about 5 ingredients should probably be avoided.

Is anyone reading this aware of any safe (and tasty) snack bars?

My advice reminds me of Dr. Kenneth Fine, the founder of EnteroLab. He has MC himself, and he developed what was arguably the first successful treatment for MC (the Pepto-Bismol treatment), and for many years he recommended that every MC patient should take a good probiotic. But when pressed for a suggested brand, he never could name one, because he couldn't find one that worked well for very many people. The one that he used just made most patients sicker. IOW, it boils down to unintentionally recommending something that sounds good, but doesn't actually exist. :lol:
Jumpindogs wrote:It strikes me that I should also take a calcium supplement since I am no longer eating any dairy or spinach and that is where I was getting my calcium. Does that make sense?
Maybe. Are you using any Almond Milk, or any other nut milk substitute for cow's milk? They all contain at least as much calcium as cow's milk. All cereals are fortified with calcium and so are a few other foods. It's actually rather rare to find someone who doesn't have enough calcium in their diet. It doesn't take much, as long as plenty magnesium and vitamin D are available because with plenty of magnesium and vitamin D, absorption and utilization of the calcium in your diet will be very high. If magnesium and vitamin D are in short supply though, most or all of the calcium in your diet will either be wasted and discarded, or it may end up clogging arteries or being deposited in joints (bursitis), or precipitating out as kidney stones for future misery. I can only guess of course, but I have a hunch that the RDA for calcium was developed using data for a group of subjects who probably had a magnesium and/or vitamin D deficiency, simply because most people in this country do indeed have either a magnesium or vitamin D deficiency or both. If they hadn't had a magnesium or vitamin D deficiency, their calcium needs would have been far lower.

My point is that a little calcium can go a long way as long as there is plenty magnesium and vitamin D. Yes, spinach contains calcium, but its bioavailability is poor. Look at the table of food sources of calcium on the National Institutes of Health website. Note that in terms of the % Daily Value, virtually all of the foods traditionally considered to be great sources of calcium really don't contain all that much calcium unless relatively high volumes of those foods are consumed. But look at fortified cereals. Some brands contain 100 % of the daily calcium needs in just 1 cup. And when you add in Almond Milk, the total calcium content is far above normal needs. I'm sure that one of the reasons why I have trouble absorbing enough magnesium is because I eat a bowl of Rice or Corn Chex with Almond Milk on most days, and all that calcium uses up a lot of magnesium. But my bones are probably as strong as an ox. I'm getting (and absorbing) way more calcium than I need.

https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Calci ... fessional/

That said, yes, if you are not ingesting at least the RDA for calcium, then a supplement might be helpful. I've never taken a calcium supplement, but many members here have had good luck with Caltrate + D. But be sure to take enough magnesium (or use magnesium oil or Epsom salts) along with it, or the benefits will be short-lived.

Many of us here use Doctor's Best Chelated magnesium (magnesium glycinate). It's absorbed better and less likely to cause diarrhea problems than most other types of magnesium. Another member here recently wrote me to say that after years of all sorts of health problems due to a magnesium deficiency, she finally resolved her problems and is doing great after using a product that I was unaware of. I thought that she was going to post about it, but so far she hasn't (unless I missed it). The compound is picometer-sized magnesium, IOW it's extremely small particles of magnesium.

With most magnesium compounds, we are only able to absorb a relatively small fraction of the amount of magnesium in the product. Some are more absorbable than others. But the more we take, the smaller the percentage that we actually absorb, and whatever we do not absorb remains in our intestines to cause diarrhea if the dose is large enough. That's why I recommend spreading out magnesium intake at various times during the day (such as at mealtime). if you decide to try picometer magnesium however, be careful because it is apparently extremely absorbable, and an overdose of magnesium can be as bad or worse than a deficiency, and the symptoms can be similar. I haven't tried this product yet, but you can read about it at Dr. Carolyn Dean's website if you are interested:

http://drcarolyndean.com/2012/09/pico-ionic-magnesium/

Personally, I wouldn't consider taking a bisphosphonate because of the significant health risks associated with their use. They scare me to death. I don't understand how a doctor could prescribe them with a clear conscience. They guarantee that the patient will end up with more dead, brittle bone than they started with because they absolutely prevent any formation or growth of new bone tissue. That's very unhealthy, to say the least.

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tex wrote:I mentioned those bars in the book because back when I was writing it (4–5 years ago), snack bars were popular among the members here. Back then there were some safe options available. I tried a few when I was recovering, but they were so expensive that I never adopted them as a regular habit.

I haven't kept up with the current offerings, but I notice that the topic rarely comes up on this forum any more, so I wonder why they have lost popularity. For all I know their ingredient lists have all shifted too far toward the health food side, and none of them are safe anymore. I recall that Gorilla Bars were once suggested by someone here, but when I look at their ingredient lists now, the lists are ridiculously long and contain all sorts of "healthy" ingredients that are definitely not "healthy" for us. As a rule of thumb (for MC patients), any processed food that contains more than about 5 ingredients should probably be avoided.

Is anyone reading this aware of any safe (and tasty) snack bars?

My advice reminds me of Dr. Kenneth Fine, the founder of EnteroLab. He has MC himself, and he developed what was arguably the first successful treatment for MC (the Pepto-Bismol treatment), and for many years he recommended that every MC patient should take a good probiotic. But when pressed for a suggested brand, he never could name one, because he couldn't find one that worked well for very many people. The one that he used just made most patients sicker. IOW, it boils down to unintentionally recommending something that sounds good, but doesn't actually exist. :lol:
Jumpindogs wrote:It strikes me that I should also take a calcium supplement since I am no longer eating any dairy or spinach and that is where I was getting my calcium. Does that make sense?
Maybe. Are you using any Almond Milk, or any other nut milk substitute for cow's milk? They all contain at least as much calcium as cow's milk. All cereals are fortified with calcium and so are a few other foods. It's actually rather rare to find someone who doesn't have enough calcium in their diet. It doesn't take much, as long as plenty magnesium and vitamin D are available because with plenty of magnesium and vitamin D, absorption and utilization of the calcium in your diet will be very high. If magnesium and vitamin D are in short supply though, most or all of the calcium in your diet will either be wasted and discarded, or it may end up clogging arteries or being deposited in joints (bursitis), or precipitating out as kidney stones for future misery. I can only guess of course, but I have a hunch that the RDA for calcium was developed using data for a group of subjects who probably had a magnesium and/or vitamin D deficiency, simply because most people in this country do indeed have either a magnesium or vitamin D deficiency or both. If they hadn't had a magnesium or vitamin D deficiency, their calcium needs would have been far lower.

My point is that a little calcium can go a long way as long as there is plenty magnesium and vitamin D. Yes, spinach contains calcium, but its bioavailability is poor. Look at the table of food sources of calcium on the National Institutes of Health website. Note that in terms of the % Daily Value, virtually all of the foods traditionally considered to be great sources of calcium really don't contain all that much calcium unless relatively high volumes of those foods are consumed. But look at fortified cereals. Some brands contain 100 % of the daily calcium needs in just 1 cup. And when you add in Almond Milk, the total calcium content is far above normal needs. I'm sure that one of the reasons why I have trouble absorbing enough magnesium is because I eat a bowl of Rice or Corn Chex with Almond Milk on most days, and all that calcium uses up a lot of magnesium. But my bones are probably as strong as an ox. I'm getting (and absorbing) way more calcium than I need.

https://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/Calci ... fessional/

That said, yes, if you are not ingesting at least the RDA for calcium, then a supplement might be helpful. I've never taken a calcium supplement, but many members here have had good luck with Caltrate + D. But be sure to take enough magnesium (or use magnesium oil or Epsom salts) along with it, or the benefits will be short-lived.

Many of us here use Doctor's Best Chelated magnesium (magnesium glycinate). It's absorbed better and less likely to cause diarrhea problems than most other types of magnesium. Another member here recently wrote me to say that after years of all sorts of health problems due to a magnesium deficiency, she finally resolved her problems and is doing great after using a product that I was unaware of. I thought that she was going to post about it, but so far she hasn't (unless I missed it). The compound is picometer-sized magnesium, IOW it's extremely small particles of magnesium.

With most magnesium compounds, we are only able to absorb a relatively small fraction of the amount of magnesium in the product. Some are more absorbable than others. But the more we take, the smaller the percentage that we actually absorb, and whatever we do not absorb remains in our intestines to cause diarrhea if the dose is large enough. That's why I recommend spreading out magnesium intake at various times during the day (such as at mealtime). if you decide to try picometer magnesium however, be careful because it is apparently extremely absorbable, and an overdose of magnesium can be as bad or worse than a deficiency, and the symptoms can be similar. I haven't tried this product yet, but you can read about it at Dr. Carolyn Dean's website if you are interested:

http://drcarolyndean.com/2012/09/pico-ionic-magnesium/

Personally, I wouldn't consider taking a bisphosphonate because of the significant health risks associated with their use. They scare me to death. I don't understand how a doctor could prescribe them with a clear conscience. They guarantee that the patient will end up with more dead, brittle bone than they started with because they absolutely prevent any formation or growth of new bone tissue. That's very unhealthy, to say the least.

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Gotcha on the bars, Tex.

I am not currently eating anything but the elimination diet right now...plain chicken, plain potatoes, banana, olive oil and salt for cooking and water...to heal my colon. Along with 9 mg Uceris every other day. So no, I am not drinking any milk substitutes nor eating any cereal although I would dearly love to do both!

I just started using magnesium lotion and plan to begin bedtime Epsom salt foot baths tonight.

I don't wanna do the biphosphonates after reading all this. But my bone density scores suck. I will chat with my Osteo doc but I am a little hesitant since this is counter to what she is prescribing for me. I don't wanna insult her by implying her treatment is causing more harm than good. Obviously a delicate balance.

Thanks for the calcium and magnesium suggestions! Much appreciated. :-)
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I understand. No one wants to lose an otherwise good doctor with whom we have a good working relationship. It just seems a shame to have to risk your health in order to stay on the good side of a physician who doesn't understand (or ignores) the risks of the drugs that she prescribes. Here are some links to medical articles to support my position on this class of drugs. I wasn't exaggerating about them being dangerous. These are not nice drugs.

This first one contains a listing of hundreds of cases of "adverse events" involving just one of these drugs (Fosamax). You will note that most of these cases resulted in disability or hospitalization (or as noted in most cases), both. The worst cases of course resulted in death. You might ask your doctor how she feels about this side effect that has ruined the lives of so many people.

Fosamax (Alendronate) - Osteonecrosis - Suspected Cause - Side Effect Reports

Drugs to Build Bones May Weaken Them

Osteonecrosis of the jaw: what do bisphosphonates do?

ASCO: Bone Meds, Esophageal Cancers Linked

You will find that most of the time, Fosamax is listed in these articles simply because it has been around longer than the rest. It was first approved by the FDA back in 1995, I believe, but they probably all carry the risk. It takes years for drugs to receive enough listings of adverse events before anyone pays any attention to them as a risk, even though they were dangerous right from the start, and they never should have been approved for use. The reason why these drugs can only be prescribed for up to 5 years is because after that, the risk of adverse events increases so much more that it even spooks the drug companies (because of the huge liability risk).

Using this class of drugs amounts to a game of drug roulette. You're betting that you will not become one of the statistics who lose the game, and the odds are good that you will not be. But as the old Charlie Rich Country & Western song goes, "Some gotta win, some gotta lose".

Regardless of what you choose to do, you will still have my full support of course, but I hope that you will give this some serious thought. If your teeth are bulletproof (IOW you never require any dental work), then you have a much better chance of at least avoiding the osteonecrosis of the jaw risk.

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I agree with Tex and Gabes as all of us are different. My NT told me to follow the Low Fodmap Diet http://www.ibsdiets.org/fodmap-diet/fodmap-food-list/as its a pretty good place to start and he told me no Grains (occassional white rice only), no Gluten, no Soy, no Dairy & I myself react to the Gums they use in so many things so I have to order my 100% pure coconut milk on Amazon because all the stuff you buy in the story has Guar Gum or Xnathum Gum. The closest "diet" per say that I have found is Paleo and many people have had success eating Paleo because the basis is GF, DF, SF, GF etc. You can have sweet potatoes and they are not allowed on the Low Fodmap Diet but again everyone is different so there may be things you can & cant work with. With me there are very few acceptable fruits that I can handle. Berries are about it even though there are some others on the list that are ok. This is where you have to slowly have one thing at a time and wait about a week before doing something else so you can know. Even though it is Dairy Free most of us can do eggs. I can so I have eggs almost everyday or a paleo granola that you can buy and I put my coconut milk on it. I start my day with a smoothie with coconut milk, banana, frozen blueberries, Tumeric (for inflammation). I also can do coffee with coconut milk and I have 2 c. a day. Lunch is usually left over from dinner the night before so protein (chicken, fish or pork) I don't do beef as my gut just doesn't like it anymore and then a vegetable. It was a long time before a could do a salad as raw veggies are bad but I always use the soft lettuce (field greens) and sometimes tuna etc. Salad dressings are tough so I usually make my own although at Thrive Market I have found some Paleo ones that are super good and all the acceptable ingredients.

I was diagnosed with CC 2 years ago. I fought taking Budesonide for about 4 months and after losing so much weight and energy I held up the flag and said ok. I have to say it worked really well for me. I started with 30 mg and the doctor checked with me after a week and I told him the 2nd day the D stopped. He told me that if I go 7 days with no D to cut back to 20mg, go 7 days and then 10mg. I was on 10mg for 1yr. All the D stopped but I saw on this site that most people had the best success by being on the Budesonide for at least 6 months as your body really needs a long time to heal. Of course I never have really swayed from my diet. Every once in a while I will try something that is on the good list but sometimes it still does not agree with me. I don't get the D but you can read your stomach pretty well and some gas, gurgling etc usually lets me know my body does not like it. In regards to your Osteoporosis I have to agree with Tex that there are many bad things with those drugs. I myself was diagnosed with this about 6 months ago. Right away all docs almost scared me into thinking these drugs is what I needed to do. I'm glad my gut instinct said no. I researched and Vit K2 - MK7 is very very important to take as it helps the calcium absorb in the bones like Vit D. There have been many studies done in Japan. Also I saw a kidney doctor and after she had be do a 24 hr urine test come to find out for some reason I was peeing out the calcium as there were extremely high levels of calcium in my urine but my blood urine was fine. She said some years of doing this would for sure cause Osteoporosis. She put me on a special water pill that at the cellular level leaves the calcium in and so far so good. I have always been someone that exercises and the last 4 years walk almost daily anywhere from 3 to 5 miles. I do squats, lunges etc and I still have Osteoporosis but I believe if we keep ourself strong and with adding the VK2with MK7 this is all I can do.
I know this is a whole lot of answer but this site was so helpful to me at the beginning and actually still is. I learn something every time I log on.
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Sorry when writing my response I put the incorrect dosage that I had been taking. I started at 9 mg, then 6 and was taking 3mg for a year. Weaned off over 1 months time with no issues. Careful clean eating is key.

Thanks and again sorry!
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Bars. What you can eat depends on your sensitivities, of course, but three that are safe for me, and tasty, are:

1. Zing coconut cashew crisp bars
2. Pure organic cashew coconut bars
3. Enjoy Life chocolate sunseed crunch bars

I find Lara bars too sweet. My favorite is the Zing coconut cashew bars. I buy all of these at a local discount grocery store, which has much lower prices than a regular store. The offerings are sporadic, so I can't count on them.

I do like to keep a bar or two in my purse, so that I have something for a snack mid-morning or I'm unexpectedly delayed somewhere.

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Thanks Martha,

I just found some Zing Coconut Cashew bars here https://www.ghpnutrition.com/cart.php with shipping to WA State it was $32.40...so $2.70 a bar not to bad considering Amazon as priced a little bit higher at 2.77 a bar...

I have a small travel weekend coming up in 2 weeks and I think these will come in handy since I can have these ingredients :grin:
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tex wrote:I understand. No one wants to lose an otherwise good doctor with whom we have a good working relationship. It just seems a shame to have to risk your health in order to stay on the good side of a physician who doesn't understand (or ignores) the risks of the drugs that she prescribes. Here are some links to medical articles to support my position on this class of drugs. I wasn't exaggerating about them being dangerous. These are not nice drugs.

This first one contains a listing of hundreds of cases of "adverse events" involving just one of these drugs (Fosamax). You will note that most of these cases resulted in disability or hospitalization (or as noted in most cases), both. The worst cases of course resulted in death. You might ask your doctor how she feels about this side effect that has ruined the lives of so many people.

Fosamax (Alendronate) - Osteonecrosis - Suspected Cause - Side Effect Reports

Drugs to Build Bones May Weaken Them

Osteonecrosis of the jaw: what do bisphosphonates do?

ASCO: Bone Meds, Esophageal Cancers Linked

You will find that most of the time, Fosamax is listed in these articles simply because it has been around longer than the rest. It was first approved by the FDA back in 1995, I believe, but they probably all carry the risk. It takes years for drugs to receive enough listings of adverse events before anyone pays any attention to them as a risk, even though they were dangerous right from the start, and they never should have been approved for use. The reason why these drugs can only be prescribed for up to 5 years is because after that, the risk of adverse events increases so much more that it even spooks the drug companies (because of the huge liability risk).

Using this class of drugs amounts to a game of drug roulette. You're betting that you will not become one of the statistics who lose the game, and the odds are good that you will not be. But as the old Charlie Rich Country & Western song goes, "Some gotta win, some gotta lose".

Regardless of what you choose to do, you will still have my full support of course, but I hope that you will give this some serious thought. If your teeth are bulletproof (IOW you never require any dental work), then you have a much better chance of at least avoiding the osteonecrosis of the jaw risk.

Tex
Thanks for the links...I'll read them as time permits...and the advice, Tex. I formulated a respectful letter and mailed it to my Osteo doc today. She's a sweetheart so I think we'll be OK.

BTW, I would never compromise my health to maintain a relationship with a doctor so no worries. :-) I appreciate your kindness and generosity, Angel Tex.
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jcml12 wrote:I agree with Tex and Gabes as all of us are different. My NT told me to follow the Low Fodmap Diet http://www.ibsdiets.org/fodmap-diet/fodmap-food-list/as its a pretty good place to start and he told me no Grains (occassional white rice only), no Gluten, no Soy, no Dairy & I myself react to the Gums they use in so many things so I have to order my 100% pure coconut milk on Amazon because all the stuff you buy in the story has Guar Gum or Xnathum Gum. The closest "diet" per say that I have found is Paleo and many people have had success eating Paleo because the basis is GF, DF, SF, GF etc. You can have sweet potatoes and they are not allowed on the Low Fodmap Diet but again everyone is different so there may be things you can & cant work with. With me there are very few acceptable fruits that I can handle. Berries are about it even though there are some others on the list that are ok. This is where you have to slowly have one thing at a time and wait about a week before doing something else so you can know. Even though it is Dairy Free most of us can do eggs. I can so I have eggs almost everyday or a paleo granola that you can buy and I put my coconut milk on it. I start my day with a smoothie with coconut milk, banana, frozen blueberries, Tumeric (for inflammation). I also can do coffee with coconut milk and I have 2 c. a day. Lunch is usually left over from dinner the night before so protein (chicken, fish or pork) I don't do beef as my gut just doesn't like it anymore and then a vegetable. It was a long time before a could do a salad as raw veggies are bad but I always use the soft lettuce (field greens) and sometimes tuna etc. Salad dressings are tough so I usually make my own although at Thrive Market I have found some Paleo ones that are super good and all the acceptable ingredients.

I was diagnosed with CC 2 years ago. I fought taking Budesonide for about 4 months and after losing so much weight and energy I held up the flag and said ok. I have to say it worked really well for me. I started with 30 mg and the doctor checked with me after a week and I told him the 2nd day the D stopped. He told me that if I go 7 days with no D to cut back to 20mg, go 7 days and then 10mg. I was on 10mg for 1yr. All the D stopped but I saw on this site that most people had the best success by being on the Budesonide for at least 6 months as your body really needs a long time to heal. Of course I never have really swayed from my diet. Every once in a while I will try something that is on the good list but sometimes it still does not agree with me. I don't get the D but you can read your stomach pretty well and some gas, gurgling etc usually lets me know my body does not like it. In regards to your Osteoporosis I have to agree with Tex that there are many bad things with those drugs. I myself was diagnosed with this about 6 months ago. Right away all docs almost scared me into thinking these drugs is what I needed to do. I'm glad my gut instinct said no. I researched and Vit K2 - MK7 is very very important to take as it helps the calcium absorb in the bones like Vit D. There have been many studies done in Japan. Also I saw a kidney doctor and after she had be do a 24 hr urine test come to find out for some reason I was peeing out the calcium as there were extremely high levels of calcium in my urine but my blood urine was fine. She said some years of doing this would for sure cause Osteoporosis. She put me on a special water pill that at the cellular level leaves the calcium in and so far so good. I have always been someone that exercises and the last 4 years walk almost daily anywhere from 3 to 5 miles. I do squats, lunges etc and I still have Osteoporosis but I believe if we keep ourself strong and with adding the VK2with MK7 this is all I can do.
I know this is a whole lot of answer but this site was so helpful to me at the beginning and actually still is. I learn something every time I log on.
Thank you so much, jcml, for taking the time to share your story. This is a ginormous learning curve but I am determined to do this right...well, as right as I can. I will check into the Paleo diet. I have a friend who is strict Paleo so she will be a good resource. Once I get to that point.

Yeah, your answer is big but I know I will be coming back to it so it will be a huge help.

I hope I am doing the right thing by adopting the elimination diet as my starting point. I wish I could do the Enterolab testing but I'd have to borrow some IgA and it would just end up garbage anyway. :D
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Martha wrote:Bars. What you can eat depends on your sensitivities, of course, but three that are safe for me, and tasty, are:

1. Zing coconut cashew crisp bars
2. Pure organic cashew coconut bars
3. Enjoy Life chocolate sunseed crunch bars

I find Lara bars too sweet. My favorite is the Zing coconut cashew bars. I buy all of these at a local discount grocery store, which has much lower prices than a regular store. The offerings are sporadic, so I can't count on them.

I do like to keep a bar or two in my purse, so that I have something for a snack mid-morning or I'm unexpectedly delayed somewhere.

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Thanks, Martha! So nuts are OK for some folks after the colon heals up? That would be so awesome. I'll pray for that.
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I like the Lara bars. They are all natural ingredients and I do ok with them. I like the banana one and the pecan pie one. I haven't tried any of the other ones, but they actually do have quite a few choices.
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Tex,

Extremely good link on calcium! (The health professional link above)

JD,

Yes to vitamin k2-mk7 get one that is soy free


Look into low dose hormones and/or strontium citrate as an alternative to the prescription osteo drugs
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tex wrote:Research shows that most people in the general population are magnesium deficient. Virtually everyone who has a digestive system disease has a magnesium deficiency because IBDs deplete magnesium (did you know that celiac disease is an IBD?) Few people (especially doctors) recognize that calcium supplements rapidly deplete magnesium. Coffee depletes magnesium. Many medications deplete magnesium. Those are some of the reasons why I have no doubt that you have a magnesium deficiency (confirmed by the leg cramps). During the day, we usually get enough magnesium in our diet to get by, but at night there's no magnesium coming in, so as the blood begins to run low on magnesium, it gets what it needs out of storage in muscle tissue. And since most of the muscle tissue in humans is in their legs, as the leg muscles run out of magnesium during the night, they get cramps. Remember that the heart is also made of muscle. We definitely don't want any cramps to develop there.

IOW if you were taking calcium supplements (or using a lot of milk, or any other source of calcium), and not taking a magnesium supplement and vitamin D, you were depleting magnesium and after a while there was no way that you could utilize the calcium in your diet. Whenever calcium is supplemented, an equal amount of magnesium should be taken (a 1:1 ratio), or magnesium reserves will eventually be depleted. And once reserves are depleted, it takes a long time and a lot of magnesium to rebuild the reserves. Anyway, this is how osteoporosis develops and progresses, despite having plenty of calcium in the diet. The more calcium we have in our diet, the faster magnesium will be depleted, and the faster osteoporosis progresses (if we aren't taking a substantial magnesium supplement).

For snack bars there are Larabars and several other brands that can be found in health food stores, but you always have to check the label because there are many different flavors and versions, and we can only tolerate certain ones that fit our personal requirements.

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Tex...do you have links to any data supporting magnesium depletion by calcium? That would be helpful when I chat with my Osteo doc. I found this in your linked NIH calcium document "Both aluminum- and magnesium-containing antacids increase urinary calcium excretion." but I'd like something more substantial. I found this while Googling but would appreciate studies if available. http://www.mgwater.com/calmagab.shtml

BTW, thanks so much for that NIH link! I searched magnesium and am taking that document to my Osteo doc too...good info on the lack of correlation between serum and total body mag levels, it's role in treating Osteo and mag deficiency in people with GI issues.
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I have three friends that have taken Fosamax. All three had bad reactions from it and two of them developed ongoing GI symptoms and have to eat a restricted diet now.

I experience restless leg syndrome but I have noticed that this only happens when I eat too much sugar. I did a search and it seems that sugar also depletes magnesium. Doesn't seem like there is any benefit in sugar but the taste in pretty nice. I have heard it said that it should be used only as a recreational drug!

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This article refers to the BMJ published study of 2010
http://drcarolyndean.com/2010/08/cancel-the-calcium/
Calcium is prominent in the news these days. A July 29, 2010 British Medical Journal meta-analysis says that “Risks outweigh benefits for calcium supplements.” This study indicates that calcium supplements cause more cardiovascular events (such as heart attacks and stroke) than the number of fractures they prevent.

The study analyzed data on 12,000 people involved in the 15 trials. The increased risk was about 30 percent. The seven authors of the study say the risk is modest but they are concerned that with so many people taking calcium supplements “even a small increase in incidence of cardiovascular disease could translate into a large burden of disease in the population.” They even go so far as to “suggest that a reassessment of the role of calcium supplements in the prevention and treatment of osteoporosis is warranted.”
this article refers to the same study
http://www.nutraingredients.com/Researc ... a-analysis

some links to more studies
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2352244
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9705567

I have the Dr Carolyn Dean book 'magnesium miracle' there is a chapter about osteoporosis / kidney stones.
there are 25 references for that chapter, if you are interested I can scan those pages and email them to you.
It was published 10 years or so ago, Tex may have more up to date references / links
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