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Alicegf · Post by **Alicegf** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 5:46 pm

Gabes,

I didn't know that I needed additional magnesium! So I need RDA of 400 mg. Plus 500 mg. To match my calcium?
Wow! Side effects?

Thanks,
Alice

Gabes-Apg · Post by **Gabes-Apg** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:15 pm

why are you taking 500mg of calcium?

yes large doses of magnesium orally can cause issues for some - (loose stools) this can be minimised by srpeading the dosage throughout the day
using topical magnesium via lotions/oils will not cause any issues to the gut.

Gabes-Apg · Post by **Gabes-Apg** » Mon Oct 02, 2017 7:20 pm

This is some info from a previous reply done by Tex that may assist you regarding this topic...

Almost everyone already has enough calcium in their diet without taking a calcium supplement. Taking calcium obviously will raise blood levels, especially if you also take vitamin D to help absorb the calcium. The problem that this creates is that calcium levels must be very carefully regulated in the blood to avoid cardiovascular risks. The body normally uses magnesium together with insulin to transport the calcium from the blood to the cells of the body where it is needed (such as in the bones). If either insulin or magnesium levels are unable to keep up with the demand, the calcium must be "dumped" somewhere in order to get it out of the blood to prevent a buildup that could cause a heart attack if it gets high enough. Sometimes it is dumped in joints or organs to cause the problem you describe with your shoulder. The doctors call it bursitis or some other name, drain the joint and/or inject cortisone and charge you for giving you bad advice in the first place (to take a calcium supplement).

The solution — take magnesium instead of calcium, there's probably plenty of calcium already in your diet. The RDA for magnesium is 320 for women, and taking that is a good place to start. Doing this will treat your osteopenia and prevent calcium deposits in your joints. But back to treating the CC: the first step is to cut out all gluten and casein. Minimize fiber and sugar, and peel and overcook all vegetables. No raw vegetables or fruit, except bananas. You'll learn as you go.

and another reply Tex has done relative to this topic

Calcium in the blood depletes both magnesium and vitamin D. So naturally, if either magnesium or vitamin D is at a level that is insufficient to keep up with demand, then it will soon become depleted (deficient). But it's not that simple. Here's what actually happens:

Vitamin D is necessary in order to absorb calcium into the bloodstream. Without an adequate level of vitamin D, calcium cannot be absorbed from the intestine and osteoporosis will slowly develop. But once calcium is in the bloodstream, magnesium is necessary in order to allow the calcium to be transported to the organs or tissues (or bones) where it is needed and this allows calcium to be removed from the blood. Magnesium does this by teaming up with insulin. But again, without sufficient magnesium, calcium cannot be transported to bones where it can be used to form new bone tissue. Excess amounts of calcium (when there is more in circulation than the body can use at any given time) in the blood are also removed by magnesium and purged in urine or stool. In fact, no nutrients can be transported to where they can be used without a sufficient supply of both insulin and magnesium. But calcium is a separate matter, because calcium is an electrolyte and too much calcium in the blood can lead to serious cardiovascular problems. So excess amounts have to be removed in a timely manner, and magnesium is needed for this job.

So yes, one could say that too much vitamin D can deplete magnesium because if the vitamin D did not facilitate the absorption of calcium in the first place, magnesium would not need to be expended in order to remove the calcium. But a more accurate way of looking at this is to recognize that excess amounts of calcium are the real problem. Properly regulating calcium intake prevents vitamin D and magnesium depletion issues. Not taking an adequate amount of vitamin D in order to preserve magnesium is akin to burning down the barn in order to get rid of the rats. Vitamin D is essential for a healthy immune system, so if any one of these 3 items should be limited, the obvious choice should be calcium. Usually, avoiding calcium supplements is sufficient to prevent problems, because virtually everyone has more than enough calcium in their diet in the first place, even people on a very restricted diet, such as MC patients.

Alicegf · Post by **Alicegf** » Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:45 am

Gabes,

Thanks for all the info! I'm taking the calcium for osteoporosis,
Which I've had for many years. I've taken all the drugs for that at one time or another and then came to a point where I wasn't building more bone mass, so my Dr. took me off them. I've since learned that
The drugs I had taken weren't building the correct type of bone mass anyway. I was taking 1000 mg. of calcium daily, but my doc said I didn't need that much.
It's all a little confusing because I've gotten several conflicting recommendations!

Polly!!!!! How are you?? Thanks so much for your reply. I want to write a lot or call you, so am looking for a little more time in which to do that! Tonight, I think.

Hugs,
Alice

Alicegf · Post by **Alicegf** » Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:47 am

Polly,

I've decided to sit out the morning at home because I'm no longer constipated. Now I'm waiting to see if D arrives

It was only 3 days of C this time and it was Imodium induced. So I think I'm really D dominant and I'm very sensitive to Imodium. I just popped a couple peptos because my tummy feels a little unsettled. We'll see what that does.

I thought about the trip/food connection. I'm super careful at all times. But it's possible I got some gluten unawares. My sister is gf as well because she has digestive issues, and my niece is very careful about what she cooks us. What a change from 2000 when I'm sure my sister thought I was just being weird!

I do wonder if age might make a difference in sensitivity. It sure makes a difference in other
bodyparts!

Polly · Post by **Polly** » Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:49 am

Alice,

Will look forward to it!

Love,

Polly

Alicegf · Post by **Alicegf** » Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:17 am

Polly,

I've decided to sit out the morning at home because I'm no longer constipated. Now I'm waiting to see if D arrives

It was only 3 days of C this time and it was Imodium induced. So I think I'm really D dominant and I'm very sensitive to Imodium. I just popped a couple peptos because my tummy feels a little unsettled. We'll see what that does.

I thought about the trip/food connection. I'm super careful at all times. But it's possible I got some gluten unawares. My sister is gf as well because she has digestive issues, and my niece is very careful about what she cooks us. What a change from 2000 when I'm sure my sister thought I was just being weird and picky!

I do wonder if age might make a difference in sensitivity. It sure makes a difference in other
bodily functions. I'm lucky, I realize, that most of my parts still work well! I take meds but not large doses. By the way, for everyone reading this, Kroger anti-histamine tablets (comparable to Benadryl) are gf.

What about you? Are you trying non- gmo and pesticide-free food because of continuing GI
problems? I haven't needed to see my former GI doc since 2000. Other than colonoscopies, of course. I think he's probably retired by now.

I know I should eliminate dairy. Wahhh! I love my yogurt, cheese and ice cream. But I know there are alternative products. My stress level is at a low point lately - so that may not be a trigger this time.

I'm hungry, so going to find something to eat in my fridge. I'll come back later.
Thanks again.

Love,
Alice

Gabes-Apg · Post by **Gabes-Apg** » Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:34 pm

Calcium does not fix osteoporisis.
Vit D3 and magnesium are much more successful at building healthy bone.

Here are some previous discussions about this
http://perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic ... t=osteo%2A

http://perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic ... t=osteo%2A

Alicegf · Post by **Alicegf** » Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:52 pm

Thanks, Gabes. I think I'm on the right path. I was lucky to not have experienced side effects from the osteo drugs. Since I've stopped taking them my bone density hasn't decreased, at least. I've had a few falls and didn't break anything, so I feel lucky.

Alice

Gabes-Apg · Post by **Gabes-Apg** » Tue Oct 03, 2017 7:55 pm

long story short, if you continue with the calcium, you need to up your daily intake of magnesium.

Alicegf · Post by **Alicegf** » Thu Oct 05, 2017 8:55 am

Polly,

I tried to send you a pm. Now I can't find it.

Alice

Alicegf · Post by **Alicegf** » Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:56 am

Polly,

In regards to stopping prilosol, should I taper gradually, adding Zantac as I get Lower in the
Dosage of prilosol?
The last time I tried to get off P, I wasn't successful, but I didn't incorporate the Zantac along the way.

Alice

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Alicegf · Post by **Alicegf** » Wed Oct 11, 2017 8:57 am

I meant Prilosec!

Polly · Post by **Polly** » Wed Oct 11, 2017 9:28 am

Hi Alice,

Yes, you might taper first......maybe a half dose every day for a few days or full dose every other day. Then you can start the Zantac (150 mg twice a day worked better for me than 75 mg.). Let us know how it foes. Good luck!

Polly

P.S. Enjoyed our phone chat every much!

Alicegf · Post by **Alicegf** » Thu Oct 12, 2017 6:41 am

Me too! Thanks for the taper tips. I tapered down once long ago, so I don’t remember what I did. My doc at that time had given me the steps. I did the taper until I got to the point at which heart burn returned. Is it safe to take a little of each drug as a long term solution?
If the GERD returns before a full taper?

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