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Polly wrote:I believe the prevalence of celiac disease is about 1 in 250-300 individuals, and that is just the tip of the iceberg. Most of us here have a "milder" or perhaps earlier form of celiac disease that is just called gluten sensitivity. This milder form will NOT be picked up on the classic celiac BLOOD test, and thus docs often miss it. Miss it? Heck, they don't even know about it! The only way to find it is through STOOL tests like Dr. Fine's. So, it is not your lab that is in error - I'm sure your celiac blood test was done properly - as was mine. We just don't have enough damage to our small intestine at this point for the gluten antibodies to seep from the stool into the bloodstream. BTW, "mild" is not a good word - gluten sensitivity can be just as debilitating as full-blown celiac disease. Dr. Fine wrote an excellent 4-piece article that explains this "spectrum" of celiac disease. You can find it on his website and I think it's also here in out research or links forum.
Indeed it is the tip of the iceberg. And I believe the numbers to be closer to 1 in 100 as I've often seen quoted.
Holy Crap! LOL! You are too funny! Sounds like one of those "AHA" moments. If I were you, I'd want to get testing. Of course, it certainly could be constitutional, because kids with full-blown CD usually follow the normal growth curve for the first 9 mos. of life and then begin dopping off. It sounds like he has always been small. Since preemies catch up to normal weight by age 2, we can't blame the short stature on that. BUT, in view of your history, we all know here that gluten sensivity is a possibility.
What exactly is normal anymore? I'm starting to think that things we consider to be normal may not be so normal. Let's say for example that CD is 1 in 100, and lets say that there is a larger percentage of folks with gluten sensitivity. Who's to say that this large sampling hasn't skewed what we consider to be normal?
I forget the percentage of those with actual CD who do not have diarrhea as a symptom, but I remember thinking it was significant. So I'm sure that there may be even more folks with "our" form of gluten sensitivity (that you called "gluten lite" at one point) who are not having diarrhea.I know it has been said here that we are actually lucky to have diarrhea along with our disease because it forced us into getting a diagnosis more quickly. How many docs would look for gluten sensitivity just based on the other common symptoms of fatigue, muscle and joint aches/pains, mental fog or confusion?
I believe that the percentage found is larger than most folks and even doctors think. In fact I believe that it's now greater than 50% that folks are showing symptoms that are not the classical forms of CD. They show in other ways that I'm betting most Drs dismiss and treat with some form of symptom management. Gluten causing migranes??? Well let's give em pain killers for example. :(
Even if he tests positive for gluten, you don't need to beat yourself up. Catch up growth will occur, and his major growth will occur at adolesence. So all is not lost by a long shot.
Agreed, in fact I bet once most folks clear up what ails them even when it's not gluten that their growth rate will be pretty fast.

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Wendy,

I have to get back to work, but here's a quick tip, if you plan to bake your own bread. Anna Sobaski, (of Gluten Evolution), makes the absolute best Gf bread mixes, bar none. If you go to her site, you will see that she makes several versions, depending on which ingredients you need to avoid. Her mixes are easy to prepare, and they are as close as you can possibly get to wheat-based bread, as far as texture, flavor, moistness, etc. are concerned. You can slice it thin for sandwiches, without it crumbling to bits, the way most GF "doorstop" bread does. It's not cheap, but it's the best. Some stores are beginning to carry her products, but you can order direct, if you can't find it locally.

I notice that she has added a GF pie crust mix to her list. I haven't had a chance to try it, but I'll bet it's great, too. She has also added a store locater to her site, since the last time I was there.

http://www.glutenevolution.com/

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HI Tex,

How did I ever miss her bread mixes? Have never seen them but will look for them. I have found the Gluten-Free Pantry made in the bread machine to be as close to real bread as I have found.

You gotta admit, most of the premade loaves are definitely doorstop bread.

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MaggieRedwings wrote:HI Tex,

How did I ever miss her bread mixes? Have never seen them but will look for them. I have found the Gluten-Free Pantry made in the bread machine to be as close to real bread as I have found.

You gotta admit, most of the premade loaves are definitely doorstop bread.

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Oh man the GF Pantry breads in a bread machine are tastey. Now if only I could get the rest of the family to not eat it i'd have more. :)
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That will be my problem too! They all loved it when we tried it. Tomorrow I'm off to Whole Foods to start investigating their stash.

Tex, THANK YOU for the tip--can't wait to try them! I definitely will be baking my own bread. I love to cook! Here's a question for all you experieced folks...If I clean the bread machine very well, can I still use it for gluten free bread? How likely is cross-contamination?

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Hi Wendy!!
Dee here from Ohio!!
Nice to have you aboard!!!!
You seem to be willing to jump right in to converting to GF/CF!!!
Wayne is right about the Manna from Anna breads from glutenevolution.com!!!! Hers are the the best breads out there. Great taste and texture. I recently tried her pumpkin bread mix and it is excellent.
I love to cook too, so ask away if you have a problem converting regular recipes to GF. Like what to use for gravies or sauces, etc.... You'll find that you have to do some tweaking with the amounts when you use GF flours.. I just found a new DF milk that is the best that I have ever tried. It's going to be a keeper for me... Living Harvest Hemp Milk..
Don't be afraid to ask questions and we're all here to help!!

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Thanks Dee--was looking at all your recipes--they look fabulous! I am definitely a cook and will actually truly enjoy the challenge of making good food that we all can enjoy. I've always used potato starch for gravy, because that's what my grandmother did, but I'm sure I'll have lots of experiments, some failures, and many questions!

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Wendy,

I don't have a bread machine, so I can't answer your question about cross contamination with it, because I don't have the foggiest idea how tough it is to clean one of them. Hopefully someone who uses one can answer that.

Most of us have kind of grudgingly learned how to cook GF meals, because we had no choice. With your enthusiasm, I have no doubt that you'll soon be whipping up some gourmet meals. I hope your family realizes just how lucky they are.

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piemom wrote: Tex, THANK YOU for the tip--can't wait to try them! I definitely will be baking my own bread. I love to cook! Here's a question for all you experieced folks...If I clean the bread machine very well, can I still use it for gluten free bread? How likely is cross-contamination?

Wendy
Cross contamination is possible but actually, if you clean the insert and parts that the bread bakes in, and also clean the outer chamber with soap and water best you can and then take an air sprayer to it (like the type you would use to clean a computer) it would probably be okay and safe after a couple of uses.

I'd suggest unless your family decides to go GF with you and you want to continue to bake gluten breads for them in this bread maker you might think about getting another one just for your personal use.

You are an inspiration!

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Hmm...not so sure about that, Joanna, but thanks! :grin:

I find you all to be inspirations to me. I know that in a couple of weeks or a month I'll be posting that I'm totally depressed about the whole thing and and sick of eating meat and vegetables, yada, yada, yada...for now it's new and challenging and I'm just so excited to actually know what's going on with me and hopefully be on the road to recovery!

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