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welcome Ken
this article provides explaination

long story short damage to the gut from celiac prevents absorption of the fat soluble vitamins that our teeth need
http://paleoleap.com/preventing-and-hea ... oth-decay/
The Importance of Fat-Soluble Vitamins
It’s impossible to write about Paleo and tooth decay without mentioning Weston A. Price. Weston A. Price was a dentist from Cleveland who traveled all around the world looking for the nutritional causes of tooth decay – he wrote a book about it called Nutrition and Physical Degeneration and there’s now an organization called the Weston A. Price foundation dedicated to advancing his discoveries.
So what did he discover that was so important? Mostly, his research pointed out the importance of fat-soluble vitamins: A, D, E, and K2, especially K2. Vitamin K2 is responsible for directing dietary calcium into the right place in your body, so that it ends up in your bones and teeth (where you want it) and not blocking your arteries (where you definitely don’t). Vitamin K2 is found in grass-fed (not grain-fed!) meat and butter. You can also make it yourself if you have a healthy gut, but that’s a pretty big if.
The other fat-soluble vitamins are also important. For example, if a mother has a high Vitamin D intake during pregnancy, her baby will be at a lower risk of developing cavities. Vitamin D is important for calcium absorption. There’s also some evidence that children with tooth decay have lower levels of Vitamin D, and that Vitamin D may be helpful for treating cavities, although not all studies show a relationship.
This study also found that Vitamin A intake was associated with lower tooth decay in children.
All of this research just confirms what Dr. Price found out back in the day: fat-soluble vitamins are important for building healthy bones and teeth. It’s not just calcium.
Evidence from Malabsorptive Diseases
Another important part of good dental health is making sure you absorb the nutrients from your diet. No matter how much calcium, K2, D, or other nutrients you eat, if you’re not absorbing them, there’s really no point. You can see this in action if you look at the way diseases that reduce absorption of vitamins and minerals from food increase rates of tooth decay.
For example, celiac disease is associated with an unusually high rate of tooth decay and an unusual amount of enamel problems. The problem might be malabsorption – celiac disease damages the gut, which prevents the absorption of important minerals like calcium, iron, and fat-soluble vitamins.
Other causes of malabsorption include Inflammatory Bowel Disease (Crohn’s Disease and Ulcerative Colitis), weight loss surgery, and abnormal intestinal permeability (aka “leaky gut”).
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Not all dental enamel defects are caused by celiac disease, although the problem is fairly common among people with the condition, particularly children, according to Alessio Fasano, M.D., medical director at the Massachusetts General Hospital for Celiac Research and Treatment. And dental enamel defects might be the only presenting manifestations of celiac disease.

Dental enamel problems stemming from celiac disease involve permanent dentition and include tooth discoloration—white, yellow, or brown spots on the teeth—poor enamel formation, pitting or banding of teeth, and mottled or translucent-looking teeth. The imperfections are symmetrical and often appear on the incisors and molars.

Tooth defects resulting from celiac disease are permanent and do not improve after adopting a gluten-free diet—the primary treatment for celiac disease. However, dentists may use bonding, veneers, and other cosmetic solutions to cover dental enamel defects in older children and adults.

http://www.oralhealthgroup.com/features ... c-disease/
Often dentists see young children in the office with malformed, decayed, and extreme hypoplastic teeth, and the first assumption is to criticize the lack of home care as a cause of this dental disorder. However, by observing the dental pathology during early development, special considerations should alert us that there maybe a systemic disorder that is causing dental problems.

Dentists, as health professionals, can be key players leading up to the diagnosis of celiac disease (CD), saving the patient from serious health complications that commonly arise when CD is left untreated. The following discusses the etiology, diagnosis and treatment of celiac disease to aid the dental clinician.

Celiac Disease (also referred to as gluten-sensitive enteropathy, gluten intolerance, nontropical sprue) is a permanent auto-immune disease resulting in inflammatory damage to the small-intestinal mucosa. This immune reaction, in response to ingested gluten, causes the intestinal villi (tiny finger-like projections where absorption of nutrients takes place) to become flattened, thus resulting in a decreased absorptive area that can lead to deficiencies of such vitamins as A, B-12, D, E, K folic acid, and minerals such as calcium, iron, magnesium and zinc. These deficiencies, in addition to the body’s immune response to gluten, can lead to a wide range of health problems, requiring the patient to seek medical assistance in virtually any specialty of the health care system.
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Wow, good to know, Thank you!
So much good information. It took about 3 decades for me to get diagnosed with Clonal Mast Cell Activation Disorder via high tryptase and a bone marrow biopsy and now im having a colonoscopy/endoscopy/biopsy to check for suspected systemic mastocytosis and mastosystic entercolitis. ive been so slow in gaining symptoms that no doctor ever considered mast cell disorder.

my teeth have been de-mineralizing in the lower front, so im looking for reasons and a way to best deal with this issue. Thank you so much for your prompt and thorough responses! I started a gluten/dairy/egg free diet along with my low histamine diet a week ago and have noticed I feel a bit better, and with reduced gastro issues.
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Ken
there are some good articles that by increasing minerals and fat soluble vitamins you can rebuild enamel / dental health.

https://wellnessmama.com/3650/remineralize-teeth/
Halt and Reverse Tooth Decay?

To recap, the things that Drs. Mellanby and Dr. Price found to prevent and reverse tooth and bone problems are:

The presence of enough minerals in the diet.
The presence of enough fat soluble vitamins (A, D, E and K) in the diet.
How bio-available these nutrients are and how well the body is absorbing them. They found that this is largely influenced by the presence of Phytic Acid in the diet.

http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com.a ... decay.html
If I were to design the ultimate dietary program to heal cavities that incorporates the successes of both doctors, it would look something like this:
Rich in animal foods, particularly full-fat pastured dairy products (if tolerated) and bone broths. Also meat, organs, fish, and eggs.
Fermented grains only; no unfermented grains such as oatmeal, breakfast cereal, crackers, etc. No breads except true sourdough (ingredients should not list lactic acid). Or even better, no grains at all.
Limited nuts; beans in moderation, only if they're soaked overnight or longer prior to cooking (due to the phytic acid).
Starchy vegetables such as potatoes and sweet potatoes.
A limited quantity of fruit (one piece per day or less), but no refined sweets.
Cooked and raw vegetables.
Sunlight, high-vitamin cod liver oil, or vitamin D3 supplements.
Pastured butter.
No industrially processed food.
NB: alot of these recommendations are what we suggest for the MC healing eating plan


http://www.westonaprice.org/holistic-he ... al-health/

http://www.westonaprice.org/book-review ... iel-nagel/


hope this helps.
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Hi Ken,

Welcome to our Internet family. Gabes has done a good job of answering your questions. FWIW, the integrity of my teeth headed south roughly 4 or 5 years before my gastrointestinal symptoms began.

From pages 105–106 of the book Microscopic Colitis:
Though the timing varies by location, gluten was first introduced into the human diet in significant quantities roughly ten thousand years ago, and by about five thousand years ago, when agriculture had become well established in many areas, wheat had become a substantial part of the human diet. It didn't happen because people suddenly realized that the ancient ancestors of wheat were healthy; the fact is, wheat in the diet isn't healthy, and bioarchaeological studies show that the physical size and robustness of humans declined as the neolithic period progressed, apparently due to increasing health issues.1 Rather, the development of agriculture came about because the steadily increasing human population began to put excessive pressure on wildlife populations and wild plant sources of food, so that increasing hunger problems and the desire for food security were huge incentives to develop alternative ways to provide food. The archaeological evidence shows that as agricultural production replaced hunting and gathering as a way of life, 19 out of 21 societies experienced declining health due to an increase in dental problems and infections, along with increasing nutritional deficiencies.2 Dental problems — what does that remind us of? It suggests celiac disease, since untreated gluten sensitivity is notorious for damaging the enamel of teeth, leading to decay.3
Here are references 1–3 associated with that quote:

1. Mummert, A., Esche, E., Robinson, J., & Armelagos, G. J. (2011). Stature and robusticity during the agricultural transition: Evidence from the bioarchaeological record. Economics & Human Biology, 9(3), 284-301. Retrieved from http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21507735

2. Cohen, M. N. (1984). Paleopathology at the origins of agriculture. Waltham, MA: Academic Press.

3. Rashid, M., Zarkadas, M., Anca, A., & Limeback, H. (2011). Oral manifestations of celiac disease: A clinical guide for dentists. Journal of the Canadian Dental Association, 77(1), b39. Retrieved from http://www.jcda.ca/article/b39/

If you will read the article at the link in the third reference, you will find all the gory details about how gluten sensitivity affects teeth. In fact, any dentist who is paying attention can usually diagnose celiac disease in a patient long before any other medical professionals even realize they should look for it.

Again, welcome aboard and please feel free to ask anything.

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Hello, I'm very glad I've found this forum. I just got a diagnosis of Microscopic Colitis.

For the last 11 months I've been on a gluten free, grain free, soy free, dairy free, sugar free (except honey), nut free (for a while), alcohol free, caffeine free diet.

Basically my diet in the last 11 months has consisted of pumpkin smoothies, tea (marshmallow, ginger, peppermint), broth, ground meats (chicken, turkey, pork, beef), and squash (acorn, butternut, spaghetti).

I also have chronic fatigue. Going out causes me anxiety and exhausts me.

So here's my question.... in my cart for online shopping, I have:
Bluebonnet Vit D3 2000IU softgels
Doctor's Best High Absorption Magnesium Dietary Supplement

Are these what I should be taking? It looks like it from what I've seen here. I just need to. E sure.

I'm also taking:
PrescriptAssist Probiotic and Prebiotic
Solaray High Potency HCl with Pepsin 650mg
Enzyme Science Complete Digestion
Zinc (I haven't started this yet)

Are any of these things I shouldn't be taking?

And doctor prescribed:
Armory Thyroid 60mg
Progesterone
Iron
Could there be any harm from these? The thyroid and progesterone are necessary.

Thanks for your time and help.

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Hello Karen,

Welcome to our Internet family of MCers. After 11 months, you should be having far fewer symptoms, so it appears that there may still be one or more problems with your diet. You wouldn't still be bloated if you were not reacting to something in your diet. But your symptoms could also be due to meds or supplements you are taking. Many meds and supplements can trigger MC symptoms (such as PPIs, NSAIDs, SSRIs, SNRIs, and other antidepressants and anti-anxiety meds, bisphosphonates, ACE inhibitors, beta blockers, etc.).

The Doctor's Best Chelated Magnesium (magnesium glycinate) works well for most of us. You may need to take 2 or 3 of those vitamin D pills if they only contain 2,000 IU each. And if I were in your situation I would:

1. Avoid all herbal, blended, or seasoned teas. FYI caffeine is not usually a problem for us — it's the additives and seasonings in tea and coffee that cause the problems. If coffee made you run for the bathroom soon after drinking a cup before your MC developed, then you will continue to react to it the same way. If it didn't cause diarrhea (D) before MC, then it shouldn't be a problem now. Most of us can handle coffee and plain black or green tea just fine, so long as it is free of additives and we don't add any milk, cream, or so-called coffee-creamers to it.

2. Try avoiding chicken and beef, and any turkey that has rosemary extract as an added ingredient, at least for a week or so to see if that helps. Lamb is a good, safe meat that no one reacts to. So is venison, duck, goose, rabbit, quail, pheasant, and virtually all other wild-type meats (except for bison — these days virtually all bison contain domestic cattle DNA).

3. Avoid all probiotics and prebiotics. All but a handful of us either cannot tolerate them or they provide no benefit. After we are in remission we can usually tolerate them, but we can certainly do without them. Probiotics may provide some benefit immediately after an antibiotic treatment (to help prevent C. diff), but otherwise they are counterproductive during recovery from MC. The probiotics and prebiotics may well be the reason why you are not yet in remission — they can prevent remission for some of us.

4. Avoid all enzyme supplements. If you have calibrated your dose of HCL properly, and you're sure that it improves digestion, it may be helpful. Otherwise, you may be better off without it.

The bottom line is that when treating MC, less is more. IOW, the less junk we put into our digestive system, the more likely we will be to achieve remission, and the sooner we are likely to reach remission.

Among the prescribed items . . . for some people the progesterone can prevent remission, even when administered by transdermal patches.

Iron is a particular problem, because it's almost impossible to find an oral iron supplement that does not cause digestive system upset. IMO you would be better off putting your MC into remission first (so that you can begin absorbing nutrients and supplements properly) and then try to correct deficiencies later (after you are in remission). Other than vitamin D and magnesium (which actually do help to speed up healing), trying to correct deficiencies while trying to recover from MC can easily prevent you from being able to reach remission from MC, or at least postpone recovery.

Armour is not a problem. If the progesterone is absolutely essential — sometimes we have to do what we have to do, but be aware that it can be a trigger for MC. That said, hormonal treatments are not a trigger for everyone, so maybe you are one of the lucky ones for whom they're not a problem. Let's hope so.

Hopefully Bandy will see your post and offer some suggestions on how to treat an iron deficiency without causing digestive system problems.

I hope that some of this is helpful. Again, welcome aboard, and please feel free to ask anything.

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Welcome Karen
Are these what I should be taking? It looks like it from what I've seen here. I just need to. E sure.

I'm also taking (per my cousin's suggestion)
PrescriptAssist Probiotic and Prebiotic
Solaray High Potency HCl with Pepsin 650mg
Enzyme Science Complete Digestion
Zinc (I haven't started this yet)
if you read the info in the stage one eating plan, we strongly encourage that you only have Vit D3 and magnesium in this early stages of healing.
experience of many here is that things like probiotics and digestion enzymes can cause more issue than benefit while we are super inflammed.

MC is not like other IBD's. and this is what has made it tricky for many MC'ers to get well, as the protocols that work for other IBD's, crohns, UC etc dont work as well for MC.

Basically my diet in the last 11 months has consisted of pumpkin smoothies, tea (marshmallow, ginger, peppermint), broth, ground meats (chicken, turkey, pork, beef), and squash (acorn, butternut, spaghett
As mentioned by Tex, avoiding herbal teas is our suggestion at this stage - small amounts of organic leaf based prepared by yourself may be ok.
and the ground meats, i agree with tex, avoid chicken and beef for now, be cautious of any turkey that has 'rosemary extract'
good serves of well cooked safe animal proteins are very important and home made bone broth made from safe proteins.

starting with the bland eating plan, good doses of Vit D3 and magnesium is best starting point, stay with that for a couple of months.

if you have some time, check out the success stories area, there are some posts that will help you to see what others have done, how long it took.

hope this helps
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Hi everyone,
Sorry to chime in, but in my experience any fruit or vegetable except potatoes will give me the D. So the pumpkin may be causing it for you.

Also, Tex and Gabes, I was wondering if after the healing, can other foods be reintroduced? I have started the elimination diet in June, and can sometimes achieve what I call like an applesauce consistency. It's never totally solid. But this is progress right? But if I eat an apple say, or a vegan gf cake, I get the wd all over again. Is this pretty common? And does that mean I am undoing all the healing I've done when that happens?

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becca,
things like apple and GF cake (the processed flours) are not the best things to introduce to the eating plan
the apple has too much fibre, and many of us react to processed flours (as it contains a blend of 4-8 different flours and ingredients)

Yes, we have a stage two eating plan in these guidelines.
MC mud (applesauce consistency) is progress, especially if the urgency has gone. it would be good to have further improvement before starting other ingredients
have you done enterolab? do you know your major and medium level triggers?

are you taking Vit D3 and magnesium? if so how much?
the other thing that may help at this stage is anti-histamines.
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Thanks so much Tex!

I will double the magnesium when I get it.

You make some very interesting points, which I will address....

1) As for my tea, the peppermint is dried peppermint leaf. The ginger is herbal with ginger root as the only ingredient. Are these potentially problematic? I've only had these two for the last 8 months or so. Before that I used to have black tea with milk. Now I just put honey in my tea. I will certainly quit tea if need be.

2) I once had a food allergy test. Meats were a 0 or +1. I can try lamb for a while. All meats I eat are ground with nothing added from a local/organic source.

3) I actually just started the pro/probiotics. I'm only about 2 weeks in on that. An official test I had last fall showed I had no good bacteria at all. It also showed inflamation, which I'm guessing is the MC. .

4) My stomach acid is low. I took some HCl last fall but then discontinued all supplements when I was awaiting other tests with a gastroenterologist. I have not actually started back up on HCl yet.

As for the food I've been eating, it all has been so bland and simple and organic and pasture raised if possible, but I will keep on. I'll try just lamb for a week or so. I was having it for a few months with my meat rotation at the beginning of this diet but lamb wasn't my favorite.

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Thanks Gabes!

I have not done the enterolab testing, I want to. I take 5000 iu of vit d3 and I use a spray elemental magnesium, it says it's 500 mg. I just really like fruits and vegetables, but for some reason even cooked, they go right through me. I've noticed eliminating soy and dairy has helped a ton!

Is the enterolab link on here? I'm sure it is :)
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Karen,
One more thing. I am on westhroid for my thyroid, and it has less fillers. My prior thyroid med gave me WD. Check yours for weird fillers.

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Some others have replied while I typed my long reply. Thank you! I am hopeful the D3and magnesium will prove helpful.
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with the magnesium (and anything that you take food wise or supplement wise) increase it gradually! and spread the dosages across the day.
too much too soon has high risk to cause D.

1. Small amount of those teas will be ok. my suggestion is just have one type for the week and see how you go, then try a different one the next week, to make sure you are tolerating each one

2. food allergy tests that are blood or skin based are not the most ideal indicator in regards to what causes MC type inflammation. for the results to show up in blood or skin tests, there has already been huge amount of damage to the gut.
this previous discussion and links may help you
http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=21227

3. you may not have much good bacteria but dealing with inflammation and healing the gut is the priority. The gut will not populate good bacteria while there is ongoing inflammation and leaky gut.

4. having small amounts of HCL will help -

5. re the progesterone - hormone issues are linked to things like B6 deficiency. once you get the Vit D3 and magnesium levels up, and some gut healing, the next stage we suggest is having active forms of B6, B9, B12

you are very lucky to have good safe organic meat sources. going with things like Lamb are a very good option, grass fed as natural as possible based meats work best.
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