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Michelle,

You're very welcome. Sadly, the reason why they don't offer much explanation for newly-diagnosed patients is because many/most GI specialists simply don't know much about the disease. Their medical training leaves a lot to be desired, as far as MC is concerned. MC was first described over 35 years ago, but most GI docs have been trying to ignore it for most of that time, and because of that, most of them still don't know any effective ways to treat it (other than temporary treatment with drugs). But since the inflammation that causes the disease is due to the production of antibodies to certain foods, that means that as soon as the anti-inflammatory drugs are withdrawn, the patient relapses. That's why this discussion board was created, so that we could compare notes, and discover what works, and what doesn't.

If MC is not associated with Hashimoto's, then why are we approximately 7 times as likely as someone in the general population to have thyroid problems?

http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7783

If MC is not autoimmune, they why do so many of us have so many other autoimmune diseases?

http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3715

The celiac blood tests that doctors use are so insensitive and so unreliable that the average length of time between the onset of symptoms and an official medical diagnosis of celiac disease in this country is 9.7 years, according to the most recently-published data. In Canada, it's 12 years. Doctors need to get their act together and figure out how to diagnose celiac disease in particular, and gluten sensitivity in general.

According to the National Foundation for Celiac Awareness, only about 5 % of the total cases of celiac disease are ever diagnosed. Ever diagnosed! That's a pathetic diagnostic record. If you happen to have a copy of my book handy, here's a quote from page 108 that illustrates why doctors are incapable of diagnosing more than a small fraction of celiac cases, let alone non-celiac gluten sensitivity:
Research shows that for all practical purposes, they are capable of detecting only fully-developed cases of celiac sprue, and they even miss a large percentage of those. One such study looked at 115 subjects with biopsy-proven celiac disease and found that only 77 % of those who had total villus atrophy showed a positive serum anti-endomysial antibody test result.6 Furthermore, in this particular study, only 71 % of the total number of subjects had total villus atrophy, and for those who had partial villus atrophy, only 33 % showed a positive anti-endomysial antibody test result. As the research report so eloquently pointed out, “Serologic tests, in clinical practice, lack the sensitivity reported in the literature” (Abrams, et al., 2004, p. 547).
Here is reference 6 from that quote:

6. Abrams, J. A., Diamond, B., Rotterdam, H., & Green, P. H. (2004). Seronegative celiac disease: increased prevalence with lesser degrees of villous atrophy. Digestive Diseases and Sciences, 49(4):546–550. Retrieved from http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15185855

It takes many years to accumulate enough intestinal damage to reach the point where there is enough villus damage in the small intestine to trigger a positive result on those tests. So basically, that's why doctors have such a ridiculously poor record of diagnosing gluten sensitivity.

So what does all this mean? It means that the odds are very high that just like most of the rest of us, you are sensitive to gluten, despite our doctors telling us that we are not. :roll:

Approximately 5,000 IU is the normal daily usage rate for vitamin D, for adults. IBDs (such as MC) tend to deplete vitamin D levels, and conversely, low vitamin D levels weaken the immune system and greatly increase the odds of developing an IBD or some other autoimmune type disease. Therefore, if you want to boost your vitamin D level to a more normal number, you will have much better results if you take twice that amount for at least a couple of months, and then have your blood level checked. Taking the daily consumption rate of vitamin D may eventually increase your vitamin D blood level, but it will take a very long time to show any significant improvement. Most of us take more than what your doctor recommended, even though our level is already well up in the normal range.

There are many possible causes of a high platelet count, including overtreatment with certain drugs, inflammation (associated with an IBD, for example), and iron deficiency anemia. Your doctor should be aggressively trying to determine the cause, because a high platelet count can increase the risk of serious adverse events. It's possible that the antibodies to your thyroid may be causing the increased platelet count.

Lactose is only a minor part of our problem. It's antibodies to casein (the primary protein in all dairy products) that are the problem for most of us (second to gluten).

If I were in your shoes, I would immediately cut all gluten and dairy products out of my diet, to see if that helps. And give it enough time to get results, because gluten antibodies have a very long half-life (120 days), so it can take months to see improvement, in many cases. If you aren't doing much better after several months, you may need to also remove soy and all legumes from your diet, because that's true for many of us here. Some of us are lucky, and we see rapid improvement, but for most of us, it takes months of careful attention to our diet, in order to get our life back.

MC is a tough disease. For many of us it can be debilitating, and for virtually all of us, it's life-changing. That means that treating it effectively, and getting our life back is never a walk in the park. It takes hard work, determination, and careful attention to our diet, but it's worth it in the long run, because not controlling the symptoms is intolerable. And the longer the symptoms remain uncontrolled, the greater the risk of developing additional autoimmune type diseases, unfortunately.

If you need more evidence, please read the post at the following link. This post was written just a few hours after you wrote yours.

http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=18766

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Post by michelleclem »

Wow. I am so thankful for all the info.. I now have some kind of rash on my nose and cheeks. I work at a school for developmentally disabled kids. Our school nurse thinks I should be tested for Lupus...Because of all the symtoms I have. I live in a small town in Arkansas. My specialist are in Little Rock which is a big city. I was looking up the facial rash and saw one called gluten rash... Thank you for replying. It really helps to know there are many others out there who can help. The Endo Dr is actually the one that said my d was low and Im anemic. GI didn't address any bloodwork other than celiacs. I am most assuredly going to start gluten free and dairy free. One thing is for sure, its not going to hurt me any worse to try it.
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Michelle,

If the rash is dermatitis herpetiformis (DH), which is the rash associated with celiac disease, it will usually involve tiny blisters, and it typically takes a very long time to resolve, after a GF diet is adopted. If it is indeed DH, that would be proof that you have celiac disease.

On the other hand, if it's just an ordinary rash (non-celiac), taking a daily antihistamine should help to control it.

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There is a blood test for the Celiac genes that some insurance will cover. I think it costs them approx. $750, or it did when our daughter's wellness doctor used it to diagnose her Celiac. The cheek swab test from EnteroLab costs approx. $160, when we did our whole family three years ago. Sometimes, insurance will pay, but we paid for it ourselves. Even if you do not have the gene for Celiac Disease, most have two gluten sensitive genes. I have seen reports that they are now finding villi damage in people who do not have Celiac Disease.

IMO, there are few people (if any) in this country, who should be eating wheat. While I continue to read that only a small percentage of people have Celiac Disease, many estimate that 30-40% of Americans (of European descent) may have one of the two known genes for the disease.

There is a huge learning curve for those going gluten, dairy, soy, and egg free. We've been at this process for three years and we still make mistakes. Still hoping for improvement in product labeling down the road.
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:flush: This is my day today... I must have eaten something I should have. Thanks for your info.
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Oh, Michelle, so sorry you're having a bad day. It's extremely frustrating, I know. Take care of yourself and try to rest.

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Thanks for you advice. I feel like anything I eat makes my belly hurt and the totally imbaressing noises my gut makes. I am sure you all suffer too. The toilet is my friend... This really is terrible and frustrating!! :cry:
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I just had gluten free pizza with daiya (fake cheese) on it. It was actually pretty good. Have you tried this cheese substitute? I had a semi solid stool yesterday!! First time in 3 months.... Today I had a couple of D episodes. But I am feeling better. I have been staying away from gluten since my last post. Would I actually be getting better so quickly? Or is it just a short lived faze??? I have also cut my sugar back to 1 cup half caff coffee with sugar. Water through the day and then unsweet tea for dinner. Keep up with the advice people. Us new folks need all we can get!!! :wink:
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THANK YOU SO MUCH GABES WHAT A TERRIFIC INSPIRATIONAL PERSON YOU ARE.
I READ YOUR POST THRU AND INTEND TO READ IT AGAIN AND AGAIN.
I AM IN THE PROCESS OF ILLIMINATING TRIGGER FOODS.

MY HEARTFELT PRAYERS THAT YOU HEALTH PROBLEMS ARE SOON A THING OF THE PAST.

MY BEST REGARDS TO YOU, IF YOU FIND IT HARD GOING WORKING FULL TIME.TAKE A NICE LONG BRAKE, ITS WORTH IT.

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Post by tex »

Michelle,

Yes, you could be beginning to heal.

Be careful with those gluten-free pizzas. Most of them are cross-contaminated to some degree, unless they're prepared in a dedicated space, and cooked in a dedicated oven (one that is never used for gluten-based pizzas).

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Gabes wrote:It's not a set back or starting again, it is just what my body needs right now.
Positive thinkers are wonderful! Thanks!
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white rice flour or anything to get carbs for a snack

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HI all, just wondering if any one has been able to tolerate white rice flour? or any flours that are gluten free? I am starving and want carbs but have no idea what to eat as the nut butter muffins are not agreeing with me. tired if eating just chicken, beef, bison, green beans and carrots for 4 month!

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Yes, many of us can tolerate GF flours, but not all of them. Using GF flours can be tricky for several reasons. Most of the time, they must be combined with other GF flours to make an acceptable GF flour mix. Sometimes we can be tolerant to one of the GF flours, but intolerant to the others.

Another potential problem is contamination when the flours are processed. Make sure the flour states that it is gluten-free on the label. That's not always a guarantee, but it lowers the contamination odds.

In order to reduce the possibility of contamination, I buy the grain/seed whole and use my grain mill to convert it to flour. I've milled white rice, brown rice, buckwheat, millet, corn and amaranth. I presently can only eat corn and almond flours.

Some buy a coffee grinder, which is probably cheaper, for the purpose of making GF flour.

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Gloria ,

What type of grain mill do you use?

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I have a Whisper Mill, which I think has a new name. I paid a little over $200 for it over 10 years ago.

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