I found this to be an interesting article regarding the use of Banana Plantain fibers to help the permeability of the gut. The discussion here is looking specifically at crohns and the transport of E-coli to the M cells, the question here would be is there any benefit with MC as it is also a inflammatory disease.
"In patients with Crohn's disease this leads to chronic inflammation in the gut. Scientists found that plantain soluble fibres prevented the uptake and transport of E. coli across M.cells"
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 191700.htm
--Joe
Banana Plantain Fibers Help with the GI Symptoms in Crohns
Moderators: Rosie, Jean, CAMary, moremuscle, JFR, Dee, xet, Peggy, Matthew, Gabes-Apg, grannyh, Gloria, Mars, starfire, Polly, Joefnh
OK, call me dense, but I'm missing the point here. When did E. coli suddenly become the primary agent that causes/antagonizes Crohn's disease? Isn't that effect secondary, or tertiary, at best? Or am I wrong?
If a bacterial imbalance, (such as E. coli), is the cause of Crohn's, (or if a bacterial imbalance is the primary reason for the propagation of granulomatous enteritis), then why aren't those researchers studying the use of probiotics, instead?
If, in fact, a primary problem with Crohn's disease is connected with E. coli's apparently extraordinary means of gaining access to the submucosa of the intestines, (by means of M-cells), then there is a simple remedy for that, one that they apparently have not investigated, (and probably one that they aren't even aware of). Mannose, a simple, indigestible sugar, will prevent E. coli from adhering to cell walls, and it will allow the bacteria to be harmlessly flushed from the system, before they can say, "Jack Robinson". Mannose can be made by oxidizing the sugar alcohol, mannitol. D-mannose is a common, (and very effective), treatment for UTIs, for example, and it is available, OTC. JoAnn has used it to help bring her MC to remission.
If those researchers are trying to control Crohn's disease by limiting E. coli access to the submucosa, then they haven't done their homework - the solution already exists. All they have to do is apply it, and verify that it works.
Without researching it, I'm going to make a wild guess here, that banana plantain fibers contain either the sugar alcohol mannitol, mannose, or a similar indigestible sugar, which prevents E. coli from attaching to mucosal cells.
Tex
If a bacterial imbalance, (such as E. coli), is the cause of Crohn's, (or if a bacterial imbalance is the primary reason for the propagation of granulomatous enteritis), then why aren't those researchers studying the use of probiotics, instead?
If, in fact, a primary problem with Crohn's disease is connected with E. coli's apparently extraordinary means of gaining access to the submucosa of the intestines, (by means of M-cells), then there is a simple remedy for that, one that they apparently have not investigated, (and probably one that they aren't even aware of). Mannose, a simple, indigestible sugar, will prevent E. coli from adhering to cell walls, and it will allow the bacteria to be harmlessly flushed from the system, before they can say, "Jack Robinson". Mannose can be made by oxidizing the sugar alcohol, mannitol. D-mannose is a common, (and very effective), treatment for UTIs, for example, and it is available, OTC. JoAnn has used it to help bring her MC to remission.
If those researchers are trying to control Crohn's disease by limiting E. coli access to the submucosa, then they haven't done their homework - the solution already exists. All they have to do is apply it, and verify that it works.
Without researching it, I'm going to make a wild guess here, that banana plantain fibers contain either the sugar alcohol mannitol, mannose, or a similar indigestible sugar, which prevents E. coli from attaching to mucosal cells.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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What I found interesting was the claim that the fibers helped with the permeability of the cellular structure. One thought is that this may help with the leaky gut syndrome. As far as mannose goes, what they are decribing with plantains sounds more or less the same, almost blocking agent / surfactant.
I am just coming up to speed on the crohns issues and cannot comment on the the issue of e-coli
--Joe
I am just coming up to speed on the crohns issues and cannot comment on the the issue of e-coli
--Joe
Joe