I Finally Get It
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- MBombardier
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I Finally Get It
I have been reading Dr. Loren Cordain’s book, The Paleo Answer, which just came out. I highly recommend this book. It is written in layman’s terms and should be easily understood by everyone. I discovered in the last few days that I have had things backwards. I thought the genetic predisposition was triggered, then the leaky gut happened, then the autoimmune disease.But Cordain states clearly on pg. 168: “A leaky gut precedes and initiates many autoimmune diseases in genetically-predisposed people.” I have no idea how I got these things backwards, especially after so long on this forum. But at least now I know.
Then Cordain goes on and talks about what foods cause a leaky gut. I was amazed that my food intolerances fall in line with these foods almost exactly:
Lectin-containing foods: all commonly-consumed cereal grains; all beans and legumes; potatoes and tomatoes; all pseudo-grains (including amaranth, quinoa, buckwheat and chia).
Saponin/glycoalkaloid-containing foods: all beans and legumes; potatoes and tomatoes; all pseudo-grains; alfalfa sprouts; and quillaja (makes root beer and other sodas foam and vaccinations more effective).
Nightshades: potatoes, tomatoes, green peppers, chili peppers (capsaicin is a big offender), eggplants, and tomatillos. Cordain says that except for potatoes, these foods pose little or no danger for most healthy people not dealing with autoimmune disease.
Cordain says that other things that promote a leaky gut are: NSAIDS, oral contraceptives, and antacids that contain aluminum hydroxide.
In another place in the book, Cordain talks about dairy being a nutritional lightweight and how studies have shown that milk is basically just filtered cow’s blood. Blech. That picture helps me when I am tempted to put a piece of cheese on my hamburger and just weather the intestinal upset. Also, putting cheese on one’s hamburger prevents absorption of much of the iron and zinc in the burger.
So I finally figured out that healing the leaky gut by not eating foods that cause it is the first step. I’m not sure why I was focusing on the healing of the CC in the large intestine instead, and thinking that I would have to deal with a leaky gut all my life.
Cordain says that following the Paleo diet will help alleviate symptoms of autoimmune disease. He has a number of people’s personal stories about that.
I was already doing Paleo because my food intolerances basically forced me, but now I am becoming a proponent. Since I am in remission and can eat most of the foods recommended on the Paleo diet, of course. I know that a lot of people, even those in remission, cannot eat some of the foods, like leafy-green vegetables. I may also run smack into some high-histamine foods I cannot eat.
But on the whole, I am greatly encouraged. Instead of being buffeted by my food intolerances, considering remission and healing the CC damage to be my primary goals, now my goal is alleviating as much as possible the leaky gut. I anticipate all sorts of good things in my health from that.
Then Cordain goes on and talks about what foods cause a leaky gut. I was amazed that my food intolerances fall in line with these foods almost exactly:
Lectin-containing foods: all commonly-consumed cereal grains; all beans and legumes; potatoes and tomatoes; all pseudo-grains (including amaranth, quinoa, buckwheat and chia).
Saponin/glycoalkaloid-containing foods: all beans and legumes; potatoes and tomatoes; all pseudo-grains; alfalfa sprouts; and quillaja (makes root beer and other sodas foam and vaccinations more effective).
Nightshades: potatoes, tomatoes, green peppers, chili peppers (capsaicin is a big offender), eggplants, and tomatillos. Cordain says that except for potatoes, these foods pose little or no danger for most healthy people not dealing with autoimmune disease.
Cordain says that other things that promote a leaky gut are: NSAIDS, oral contraceptives, and antacids that contain aluminum hydroxide.
In another place in the book, Cordain talks about dairy being a nutritional lightweight and how studies have shown that milk is basically just filtered cow’s blood. Blech. That picture helps me when I am tempted to put a piece of cheese on my hamburger and just weather the intestinal upset. Also, putting cheese on one’s hamburger prevents absorption of much of the iron and zinc in the burger.
So I finally figured out that healing the leaky gut by not eating foods that cause it is the first step. I’m not sure why I was focusing on the healing of the CC in the large intestine instead, and thinking that I would have to deal with a leaky gut all my life.
Cordain says that following the Paleo diet will help alleviate symptoms of autoimmune disease. He has a number of people’s personal stories about that.
I was already doing Paleo because my food intolerances basically forced me, but now I am becoming a proponent. Since I am in remission and can eat most of the foods recommended on the Paleo diet, of course. I know that a lot of people, even those in remission, cannot eat some of the foods, like leafy-green vegetables. I may also run smack into some high-histamine foods I cannot eat.
But on the whole, I am greatly encouraged. Instead of being buffeted by my food intolerances, considering remission and healing the CC damage to be my primary goals, now my goal is alleviating as much as possible the leaky gut. I anticipate all sorts of good things in my health from that.
Marliss Bombardier
Dum spiro, spero -- While I breathe, I hope
Psoriasis - the dark ages
Hashimoto's Thyroiditis - Dec 2001
Collagenous Colitis - Sept 2010
Granuloma Annulare - June 2011
Dum spiro, spero -- While I breathe, I hope
Psoriasis - the dark ages
Hashimoto's Thyroiditis - Dec 2001
Collagenous Colitis - Sept 2010
Granuloma Annulare - June 2011
Marliss, some questions. So you think that a leaky gut is the first stage for the beginning of other symptoms? That a leaky gut leads to MC and then to other autoimmune diseases? And, just out of curiosity, how did you know you had a leaky gut? A test? Your doctor's advice? When I first began experiencing my symptoms, my doctors gave me a strict diet of no wheat, no sugars, no dairy, etc and gave me a nutritional drink especially made for "leaky gut". The funny thing is, my doc was probably dead on accurate as to what to eliminate, but really had no clue as to what he was doing, because he was also giving me tons of other vitamins and drops for other "problems" such as toxic poisons like pesticides.
Mandy
Mandy
Marliss, AKA determined cavewoman,
I agree totally too! I recently finished the same book and found it quite illuminating. And I am the poster girl for problems from all of those foods you listed. It took me years to tease them all out - most recently the white potato (thanks to MRT). For years I had realized that I felt best when I ate no grains or pseudograins at all (not even rice) and Cordain has shown me that I am not crazy! And milk! I decided long ago that it was not healthy for me (or maybe most). Why drink something designed to put hundreds of pounds on a baby cow in a matter of months??? No thankyou!
Congrats on your discovery! I am a firm believer in the paleo diet, as you know.
Love,
Polly
I agree totally too! I recently finished the same book and found it quite illuminating. And I am the poster girl for problems from all of those foods you listed. It took me years to tease them all out - most recently the white potato (thanks to MRT). For years I had realized that I felt best when I ate no grains or pseudograins at all (not even rice) and Cordain has shown me that I am not crazy! And milk! I decided long ago that it was not healthy for me (or maybe most). Why drink something designed to put hundreds of pounds on a baby cow in a matter of months??? No thankyou!
Congrats on your discovery! I am a firm believer in the paleo diet, as you know.
Love,
Polly
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- MBombardier
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Thanks!
Mandy, I learned about leaky gut on this board. I liken it to a quarks. It took a long time for scientists to actually see a quarks, though they knew they existed because they could see their effects. Now they know there are about six different kinds. When I look back on what I used to eat, just about every bite of which was in one of the above food groups, I am astounded that it took me so long to get sick. My health has the fingerprints of leaky gut all over it.
I wonder what we will learn about leaky gut when doctors stop pooh-poohing it and actually study it.
Mandy, I learned about leaky gut on this board. I liken it to a quarks. It took a long time for scientists to actually see a quarks, though they knew they existed because they could see their effects. Now they know there are about six different kinds. When I look back on what I used to eat, just about every bite of which was in one of the above food groups, I am astounded that it took me so long to get sick. My health has the fingerprints of leaky gut all over it.
I wonder what we will learn about leaky gut when doctors stop pooh-poohing it and actually study it.
Marliss Bombardier
Dum spiro, spero -- While I breathe, I hope
Psoriasis - the dark ages
Hashimoto's Thyroiditis - Dec 2001
Collagenous Colitis - Sept 2010
Granuloma Annulare - June 2011
Dum spiro, spero -- While I breathe, I hope
Psoriasis - the dark ages
Hashimoto's Thyroiditis - Dec 2001
Collagenous Colitis - Sept 2010
Granuloma Annulare - June 2011
My doctor ordered an intestinal permeability blood test for me which showed I still had a leaky gut, despite my apparent MC remission. I'm clearly not out of the woods on autoimmunity, so I'm considering dropping legumes and my beloved Yukon Gold potatoes. Very depressing, but at least I can fill up on salads now. In your opinion, if you're going to keep a starch or two in the diet, is rice the safest one? Do you get fewer lectins of you eat white instead of brown rice? Could there be a difference between white and gold potatoes in this area, or are all potatoes evil?
IMO, the safest starch would probably be sweet potatoes, but not everyone can safely eat them. There are differences in potatoes, but I'm not familiar with the details.
I believe that in general, most lectins are in parts of a plant that are the most likely to be eaten first, (because they're put there as a deterrent to predation), so most lectins are probably in the leaves, and the most likely place for them to show up in the fruit, will be in the peel, so IMO, white rice is much less likely to have a high lectin content than brown rice, (and probably less arsenic, also - but that's just a guess).
The whole grains thing is just a cruel joke, IMO. Whole grains are what we feed cattle, because they're ruminants, and they have to have a certain amount of fiber, to counter the higher protein and fat level in their rich rations, designed to make them gain weight faster. Humans are monogastric, and they don't need much fiber, so if they're going to eat grains, they're better off not eating all the fiber, and natural pesticides, (lectins), and synthetic pesticides, etc., found in the hull on grains. IOW, get your fiber from vegetables and fruit, because that's the source of fiber that our digestive system was designed to handle.
Tex
I believe that in general, most lectins are in parts of a plant that are the most likely to be eaten first, (because they're put there as a deterrent to predation), so most lectins are probably in the leaves, and the most likely place for them to show up in the fruit, will be in the peel, so IMO, white rice is much less likely to have a high lectin content than brown rice, (and probably less arsenic, also - but that's just a guess).
The whole grains thing is just a cruel joke, IMO. Whole grains are what we feed cattle, because they're ruminants, and they have to have a certain amount of fiber, to counter the higher protein and fat level in their rich rations, designed to make them gain weight faster. Humans are monogastric, and they don't need much fiber, so if they're going to eat grains, they're better off not eating all the fiber, and natural pesticides, (lectins), and synthetic pesticides, etc., found in the hull on grains. IOW, get your fiber from vegetables and fruit, because that's the source of fiber that our digestive system was designed to handle.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Hmm, I increased my starches this winter, mostly out of laziness, and noticed my sugar cravings getting worse. I may even be gaining weight. Time to cut back big-time, especially if arsenic in rice might be contributing to my other issues. Tex, you are right about brown rice = more arsenic.
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I am really confused. I've basically been eating meat, potatoes, and rice for weeks trying to find some improvement with my D. Potatoes are bad? If there's no gluten, dairy, soy, eggs, guessing at no legumes from what I've read here, what's left to eat? I stress every mealtime because I'm afraid to eat. I'm thinking about skipping rice to see if I feel better but I really don't want to. Oh, I think I need to avoid high histamine foods too. It almost seems like too much.
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Deb I sympathize. Maybe this link that I ran across recently will help. It is an online Paleo Cookbook. http://paleofood.com
I was really amazed at the variety of foods I can eat on there.1218 Recipes in 45 Chapters. Recipes are: gluten-free, grain-free, bean-free, potato-free, dairy-free, and sugar-free.
Ingredients used: meat, fish, shellfish, eggs, tree nuts, vegetables, roots, fruit, berries, mushrooms, herbs and spice seeds.
Marliss Bombardier
Dum spiro, spero -- While I breathe, I hope
Psoriasis - the dark ages
Hashimoto's Thyroiditis - Dec 2001
Collagenous Colitis - Sept 2010
Granuloma Annulare - June 2011
Dum spiro, spero -- While I breathe, I hope
Psoriasis - the dark ages
Hashimoto's Thyroiditis - Dec 2001
Collagenous Colitis - Sept 2010
Granuloma Annulare - June 2011
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Marliss
i love your photos with that beautiful baby!
to expand on my original short reply, discussions with my friends who are part of my wellness journey, we are thinking that the MC can be in remission but the leaky gut issues can be there, and we think that the leaky gut is very much linked to the histamines and what must be floating around in our blood to cause the heightened histamine reactions.
Via the BIA (kinda like MRT) i am working on reducing my sensitivity to paleo based ingredients so i can broaden my eating plan to include those ingredients...
Deb
take it baby steps at a time.
figure out your major MC triggers and focus on getting inflammation reduced and good nutrtion absorbtion happening, then focus on the stuff .. the ones that might be causing minor symptoms, and via the 'winning the pooh' type food diary, if you track reactions such as itchy tongue, mucas in the nose, gerd, bloating then you can monitor for the histamine causing ingredients.
find your nuturing basic's, a meal from a couple of ingredients that do not cause major issues, stick with them for a few days and then introduce other/new ingredients
It took me about a year to come up with my eating plan that works, is affordable, suits my routine and work requirements...
all the effort now is worth it!
i love your photos with that beautiful baby!
to expand on my original short reply, discussions with my friends who are part of my wellness journey, we are thinking that the MC can be in remission but the leaky gut issues can be there, and we think that the leaky gut is very much linked to the histamines and what must be floating around in our blood to cause the heightened histamine reactions.
Via the BIA (kinda like MRT) i am working on reducing my sensitivity to paleo based ingredients so i can broaden my eating plan to include those ingredients...
Deb
take it baby steps at a time.
figure out your major MC triggers and focus on getting inflammation reduced and good nutrtion absorbtion happening, then focus on the stuff .. the ones that might be causing minor symptoms, and via the 'winning the pooh' type food diary, if you track reactions such as itchy tongue, mucas in the nose, gerd, bloating then you can monitor for the histamine causing ingredients.
find your nuturing basic's, a meal from a couple of ingredients that do not cause major issues, stick with them for a few days and then introduce other/new ingredients
It took me about a year to come up with my eating plan that works, is affordable, suits my routine and work requirements...
all the effort now is worth it!
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama