Whole Foods Versus Designer Foods
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Whole Foods Versus Designer Foods
Hi All,
Another thread, that touched on the topic of nightshades (generally considered by many to be unhealthy), and how they contain health benefits that are not found in other foods that are regarded as more "healthy", inspired me to devote some thought to the convoluted way in which the food industry is evolving (or is devolving a more accurate term?). One of the things that really bugs me about medical researchers, doctors, the medical community in general, and especially food "experts", is their almost universal tunnel vision. To them every issue is either black or white, and in order to keep things simple, no gray area is allowed. Perhaps they're all lazy, and they don't want to have to explain all the caveats involved if a full spectrum of benefits and disadvantages are considered, or maybe their brain isn't capable of processing complex thoughts. Or maybe they have an agenda.
Whatever the case, nearly all foods are classified as either good or bad (healthy or unhealthy), and no allowance is made for the possibility that they might have good aspects and bad aspects, and consequently they might be good for some people, and bad for others, and a wide range of possibilities might exist in between those extremes. Researchers have established a pattern of determining that certain foods contain one or more natural ingredients that can be detrimental to the health of certain individuals or groups of individuals, and so they condemn those foods in general, despite the fact that other natural ingredients in those foods may have overriding beneficial attributes.
And conversely, they promote certain foods as healthy, based on certain ingredients that have earned a perception of being "healthy", despite the fact that those foods may not have been thoroughly investigated for the same or similar ingredients that caused other foods to be labeled as "unhealthy". The whole system of food evaluation seems to be a rather disorganized process, sort of a free-for-all, in many ways.
The fact of the matter is that all foods have beneficial attributes, and all foods have detrimental attributes. Every food contains lectins, for example, but obviously some lectins are much more harmful to human health than others. It's our job to weigh the benefits against the disadvantages, and to select foods that suit our purposes.
And in many cases where a food has been labeled as "unhealthy", after a few decades have passed, other researcher have shown that the original research that caused a food to be labeled that way was flawed, and the conclusions reached were just plain wrong, in the first place. So it behooves us to make our own decisions about which foods are healthy, and which ones are not, based on our own, and others' real life experiences, because obviously, researchers have not earned a reputation for accuracy and reliability, as far as the overall effects of food on our health are concerned. And that's mostly because they aren't concerned about the effects of food on our health — they're concerned about publishing another research article, and hopefully inspiring some company to provide additional funding so that they can continue to do research. IOW, they're primarily concerned about job security.
And most of us are well aware that there's a more important aspect to food than just fuel for the body, and that's the concept of food as medicine. Science tries to do it by identifying certain natural ingredients in food and promoting them as self-contained additives or supplements for providing health benefits. But experience has shown time and again that such an approach seldom works, because when ingredients are used in isolation (without the synergistic benefits provided by other ingredients in the food from which they were taken) their effectiveness is greatly reduced, and in some cases the hyped benefits are almost completely absent.
So why should we accept the promotion of "designer foods" that are enriched by adding "healthy ingredients" (that have been removed from foods that actually were healthy, but these ingredients may no longer be effective after isolation)? Are any of the super supplements (such as protein supplements for example) that contain dozens of ingredients with long and complex names, really healthy? Essentially, such products are a poor man's version of GMO, because they do not exist as a food in nature, nor could they ever exist naturally. Am I wrong?
Instead, why not eat the foods from which those healthy additives were extracted in the first place, in order to get the full benefit, rather than getting some lab rat's opinion of what constitutes healthy food? If lab rats are so good at recognizing healthy food when they see it, why do so many of them appear to be unhealthy?
The bottom line is: Experimenting with designer foods in the diet is best postponed until after we are in remission. During the healing process, we should eat whole foods (that are known to be safe for us), and if we eat any processed foods at all, those foods should have no more than 5 (safe) ingredients, because the longer the ingredient list, the greater the chances of cross-contamination. In fact, limiting processed foods to those with ingredient lists that contain no more than 3 ingredients is much safer, because as the number of ingredients increases, the risk does not increase linearly, it increases exponentially. Therefore, if the number of ingredients in a product is increased until it reaches a sufficiently high level, at some point the risk of cross-contamination begins to approach 100 %.
Even after we are in remission, we still run the same risk of cross-contamination, if we are willing to take unnecessary chances on using processed foods with long ingredient lists. If you are reading this, and you feel that you are generally in remission, but you still do not have "normans", or you have other nagging symptoms, then the odds are extremely high that you are the victim of cross-contamination. If you have wheat flour in your house, you need look no further for the source of your problem. Ditto if you are using processed foods or food supplements that have a long ingredient list. Trust me, I've been there, done that. Cross-contamination is ubiquitous and long ingredient lists in designer foods are a prime source of trouble for anyone who has MC. Why take chances when you can eat safe, whole foods and avoid the risk?
The fastest, surest route to remission (and the best way to maintain remission, once acquired) is one that avoids processed foods with long ingredient lists, and designer foods of all types. Humans evolved eating safe, simple, whole foods. Why on earth would we presume to think that we are capable of improving on a diet that worked for millions of years, before we began tinkering with it (in the neolithic period)?
Sure, technology continues to evolve at an ever-increasing rate, to make life easier for us. But the human body is not a machine. And trying to force it to evolve as rapidly as everything else around us is not only futile, and an exercise in frustration, but it's the primary source of most of our health problems.
At least that's my 2 cents worth. YMMV.
Tex
Another thread, that touched on the topic of nightshades (generally considered by many to be unhealthy), and how they contain health benefits that are not found in other foods that are regarded as more "healthy", inspired me to devote some thought to the convoluted way in which the food industry is evolving (or is devolving a more accurate term?). One of the things that really bugs me about medical researchers, doctors, the medical community in general, and especially food "experts", is their almost universal tunnel vision. To them every issue is either black or white, and in order to keep things simple, no gray area is allowed. Perhaps they're all lazy, and they don't want to have to explain all the caveats involved if a full spectrum of benefits and disadvantages are considered, or maybe their brain isn't capable of processing complex thoughts. Or maybe they have an agenda.
Whatever the case, nearly all foods are classified as either good or bad (healthy or unhealthy), and no allowance is made for the possibility that they might have good aspects and bad aspects, and consequently they might be good for some people, and bad for others, and a wide range of possibilities might exist in between those extremes. Researchers have established a pattern of determining that certain foods contain one or more natural ingredients that can be detrimental to the health of certain individuals or groups of individuals, and so they condemn those foods in general, despite the fact that other natural ingredients in those foods may have overriding beneficial attributes.
And conversely, they promote certain foods as healthy, based on certain ingredients that have earned a perception of being "healthy", despite the fact that those foods may not have been thoroughly investigated for the same or similar ingredients that caused other foods to be labeled as "unhealthy". The whole system of food evaluation seems to be a rather disorganized process, sort of a free-for-all, in many ways.
The fact of the matter is that all foods have beneficial attributes, and all foods have detrimental attributes. Every food contains lectins, for example, but obviously some lectins are much more harmful to human health than others. It's our job to weigh the benefits against the disadvantages, and to select foods that suit our purposes.
And in many cases where a food has been labeled as "unhealthy", after a few decades have passed, other researcher have shown that the original research that caused a food to be labeled that way was flawed, and the conclusions reached were just plain wrong, in the first place. So it behooves us to make our own decisions about which foods are healthy, and which ones are not, based on our own, and others' real life experiences, because obviously, researchers have not earned a reputation for accuracy and reliability, as far as the overall effects of food on our health are concerned. And that's mostly because they aren't concerned about the effects of food on our health — they're concerned about publishing another research article, and hopefully inspiring some company to provide additional funding so that they can continue to do research. IOW, they're primarily concerned about job security.
And most of us are well aware that there's a more important aspect to food than just fuel for the body, and that's the concept of food as medicine. Science tries to do it by identifying certain natural ingredients in food and promoting them as self-contained additives or supplements for providing health benefits. But experience has shown time and again that such an approach seldom works, because when ingredients are used in isolation (without the synergistic benefits provided by other ingredients in the food from which they were taken) their effectiveness is greatly reduced, and in some cases the hyped benefits are almost completely absent.
So why should we accept the promotion of "designer foods" that are enriched by adding "healthy ingredients" (that have been removed from foods that actually were healthy, but these ingredients may no longer be effective after isolation)? Are any of the super supplements (such as protein supplements for example) that contain dozens of ingredients with long and complex names, really healthy? Essentially, such products are a poor man's version of GMO, because they do not exist as a food in nature, nor could they ever exist naturally. Am I wrong?
Instead, why not eat the foods from which those healthy additives were extracted in the first place, in order to get the full benefit, rather than getting some lab rat's opinion of what constitutes healthy food? If lab rats are so good at recognizing healthy food when they see it, why do so many of them appear to be unhealthy?
The bottom line is: Experimenting with designer foods in the diet is best postponed until after we are in remission. During the healing process, we should eat whole foods (that are known to be safe for us), and if we eat any processed foods at all, those foods should have no more than 5 (safe) ingredients, because the longer the ingredient list, the greater the chances of cross-contamination. In fact, limiting processed foods to those with ingredient lists that contain no more than 3 ingredients is much safer, because as the number of ingredients increases, the risk does not increase linearly, it increases exponentially. Therefore, if the number of ingredients in a product is increased until it reaches a sufficiently high level, at some point the risk of cross-contamination begins to approach 100 %.
Even after we are in remission, we still run the same risk of cross-contamination, if we are willing to take unnecessary chances on using processed foods with long ingredient lists. If you are reading this, and you feel that you are generally in remission, but you still do not have "normans", or you have other nagging symptoms, then the odds are extremely high that you are the victim of cross-contamination. If you have wheat flour in your house, you need look no further for the source of your problem. Ditto if you are using processed foods or food supplements that have a long ingredient list. Trust me, I've been there, done that. Cross-contamination is ubiquitous and long ingredient lists in designer foods are a prime source of trouble for anyone who has MC. Why take chances when you can eat safe, whole foods and avoid the risk?
The fastest, surest route to remission (and the best way to maintain remission, once acquired) is one that avoids processed foods with long ingredient lists, and designer foods of all types. Humans evolved eating safe, simple, whole foods. Why on earth would we presume to think that we are capable of improving on a diet that worked for millions of years, before we began tinkering with it (in the neolithic period)?
Sure, technology continues to evolve at an ever-increasing rate, to make life easier for us. But the human body is not a machine. And trying to force it to evolve as rapidly as everything else around us is not only futile, and an exercise in frustration, but it's the primary source of most of our health problems.
At least that's my 2 cents worth. YMMV.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Tex, I totally agree with you. I no longer buy processed or prepared foods. Products can have seemingly innocuous ingredients and be loaded with unhealthy ones. For instance, chicken broth with "vegetable extract" or "yeast extract". Manufacturers know not to list MSG because consumers have rejected products containing it and so disguise it. You have to practically be a scientist to figure everything out. Much easier and healthier to just get good quality meat, vegetables and fruits. Might take a little longer to prepare than convenience foods, but I would sooner spend time in the kitchen than in the bathroom!
Great post!
Jean
Great post!
Jean
"The only way to keep your health is to eat what you don't want, drink what you don't like, and do what you'd rather not." Mark Twain
I agree too. With only one or 2 exceptions its single ingredient foods for me.JeanIrene wrote:Tex, I totally agree with you. I no longer buy processed or prepared foods. Products can have seemingly innocuous ingredients and be loaded with unhealthy ones. For instance, chicken broth with "vegetable extract" or "yeast extract". Manufacturers know not to list MSG because consumers have rejected products containing it and so disguise it. You have to practically be a scientist to figure everything out. Much easier and healthier to just get good quality meat, vegetables and fruits. Might take a little longer to prepare than convenience foods, but I would sooner spend time in the kitchen than in the bathroom!
Great post!
Jean
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whole foods vs designer foods
Tex,
Good post and good point. I grew up eating whole foods and continue to do so...Americans love food that comes in boxes.
Monique
Good post and good point. I grew up eating whole foods and continue to do so...Americans love food that comes in boxes.
Monique
Diagnosed 2011 with LC. Currently on Low Dose Naltrexone (LDN)
Great post, Tex! I agree. I mostly ate basic, whole foods before, but now I do so exclusively (also GF, SF, EF, and more). As busy as my life is, I would rather spend time in the kitchen preparing whole foods than doubled over with stomach cramps and in the bathroom with WD or swallowing the serious medications prescribed by my doctor. She never really believed this "little food experiment" would work, but it has! It requires effort every day, but the rewards of better health are well worth it.
Kathy
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Hi Good Buddies,
Of course, I agree with y'all! It took me a quite a while, but I finally realized that I should be eating only whole, fresh foods. I try not to eat anything that comes in a box or can or bag. I also try to eat organic/grass-fed, even though it is more expensive. As far as I am concerned it is money well-spent - (What could be a higher priority within my budget than my health?) and certainly much less expensive than the drugs and treatments that would be needed for later health problems.
Tex, maybe some day we will each have a genome analysis at birth that will tell us which foods we best tolerate. I agree it's a very individual thing - and it changes throughout life because of antibiotics and other environmental hazards as we MCers know so well. I agree totally about the "supplement" issue - why remove something from a healthy food and put it in a pill by itself? And most of the research shows that the "supplement" works best when it remains in the original food (example, fish oil). As you know, I take no supplements other than vitamin D3.
Yes, cross contamination is a bummer, but it still bugs me that products can legally be labeled GF even if they contain gluten (I think it can be up to 20 PPM). Many of us, myself included, react to those low levels. That's another good reason to avoid the processed "GF" products and move to whole foods.
And Tex, let me jump up there with you on your soapbox to mention another pet peeve of mine........The "government" involvement in determining "healthy" foods. Those ridiculous charts over the years. I still can't get over that one that recommended 6-11 servings of grains a day. That's probably what started the big American move toward obesity, metabolic syndrome, diabetes, and worse. IMHO, the government was not concerned about health - rather, they were concerned about the income of the grain and dairy farmers. And so many of our foods contain corn and soy (or livestock are being fed them) - neither of which IMHO is a truly nutritious food. (Being a corn farmer, I'm sure you will have a comment about this - LOL). Of course, I am aware of the argument that we wouldn't be able to feed as many people if everyone ate the ideal diet. And I know I am lucky to be able to afford optimally nutritious foods.
Great discussion!
Love,
Polly
Of course, I agree with y'all! It took me a quite a while, but I finally realized that I should be eating only whole, fresh foods. I try not to eat anything that comes in a box or can or bag. I also try to eat organic/grass-fed, even though it is more expensive. As far as I am concerned it is money well-spent - (What could be a higher priority within my budget than my health?) and certainly much less expensive than the drugs and treatments that would be needed for later health problems.
Tex, maybe some day we will each have a genome analysis at birth that will tell us which foods we best tolerate. I agree it's a very individual thing - and it changes throughout life because of antibiotics and other environmental hazards as we MCers know so well. I agree totally about the "supplement" issue - why remove something from a healthy food and put it in a pill by itself? And most of the research shows that the "supplement" works best when it remains in the original food (example, fish oil). As you know, I take no supplements other than vitamin D3.
Yes, cross contamination is a bummer, but it still bugs me that products can legally be labeled GF even if they contain gluten (I think it can be up to 20 PPM). Many of us, myself included, react to those low levels. That's another good reason to avoid the processed "GF" products and move to whole foods.
And Tex, let me jump up there with you on your soapbox to mention another pet peeve of mine........The "government" involvement in determining "healthy" foods. Those ridiculous charts over the years. I still can't get over that one that recommended 6-11 servings of grains a day. That's probably what started the big American move toward obesity, metabolic syndrome, diabetes, and worse. IMHO, the government was not concerned about health - rather, they were concerned about the income of the grain and dairy farmers. And so many of our foods contain corn and soy (or livestock are being fed them) - neither of which IMHO is a truly nutritious food. (Being a corn farmer, I'm sure you will have a comment about this - LOL). Of course, I am aware of the argument that we wouldn't be able to feed as many people if everyone ate the ideal diet. And I know I am lucky to be able to afford optimally nutritious foods.
Great discussion!
Love,
Polly
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Polly,
I completely agree with you that the government's dietary recommendations (like most government recommendations) are designed to promote an agenda, rather than to benefit the public. And my views on corn are that it is the ultimate (most bang for the buck) way to fatten animals destined for slaughter, but since it has a relatively low protein content (about 7 %), it's not good for muscle or brain development, and that's the reason why soy is added to feed rations, to overcome the protein deficit. Soy has a very high protein content (about 40 %).
It's worth noting, I believe, that farmers/ranchers don't normally feed corn to mature breeder cattle, because they want the cows to be healthy, and not too fat, so that they will be fertile, give birth to calves without problems, and raise the calves as efficiently as possible. I'm not suggesting that they never feed any corn to cows, because they might do so during a blizzard for example, in order to provide some extra fuel for energy to handle the cold weather. I'm just saying that corn is a very minimal part of the diet of most mature cattle herds. The lion's share of corn used for feed goes to feedlots (for slaughter cattle). Since most of us are also mature animals, we should probably take a cue from that.
Love,
Tex
I completely agree with you that the government's dietary recommendations (like most government recommendations) are designed to promote an agenda, rather than to benefit the public. And my views on corn are that it is the ultimate (most bang for the buck) way to fatten animals destined for slaughter, but since it has a relatively low protein content (about 7 %), it's not good for muscle or brain development, and that's the reason why soy is added to feed rations, to overcome the protein deficit. Soy has a very high protein content (about 40 %).
It's worth noting, I believe, that farmers/ranchers don't normally feed corn to mature breeder cattle, because they want the cows to be healthy, and not too fat, so that they will be fertile, give birth to calves without problems, and raise the calves as efficiently as possible. I'm not suggesting that they never feed any corn to cows, because they might do so during a blizzard for example, in order to provide some extra fuel for energy to handle the cold weather. I'm just saying that corn is a very minimal part of the diet of most mature cattle herds. The lion's share of corn used for feed goes to feedlots (for slaughter cattle). Since most of us are also mature animals, we should probably take a cue from that.
Love,
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Hi Polly, The day is not for away when every baby born with have and genome analysis and there will be a list of foods to eat or avoid. Today, you can have a genetic test but many people are scared because they may be discrimnated by insurance companies and employers because they have multiple DNA defects. Researchers in Boston have stated they we are born with as many as ten defects. But what they do not understand yet is " What is the Trigger" John
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I agree with all you said Tex and with Polly about packaged food. I've finally given up pasta and just about everything else packaged except crackers occasionally and almond butter.
Yes, there is a lot of cooking involved and I spend a couple of days cooking mass amounts of one food item for,the freezer; butternut squash soup, turkey burgers, zucchini pancakes, GF bread, paleo muffins and GF cookies, duck and turkey broth. I never thought I would spend my retirement cooking but it is well worth the time and effort. It took me a long time to finally give up "convenience" foods and just stick to the basics of a modified paleo diet. I'm still taking one budesinide every other day and, once again, will try to wean down to every third day.
The food conglomerates/drug companies etc put so much money into lobbying and subsidizing elections, they can write their own laws. Pitiful.
Sheila W
Yes, there is a lot of cooking involved and I spend a couple of days cooking mass amounts of one food item for,the freezer; butternut squash soup, turkey burgers, zucchini pancakes, GF bread, paleo muffins and GF cookies, duck and turkey broth. I never thought I would spend my retirement cooking but it is well worth the time and effort. It took me a long time to finally give up "convenience" foods and just stick to the basics of a modified paleo diet. I'm still taking one budesinide every other day and, once again, will try to wean down to every third day.
The food conglomerates/drug companies etc put so much money into lobbying and subsidizing elections, they can write their own laws. Pitiful.
Sheila W
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A person who never made a mistake never tried something new. Einstein
I'm finally......into remission as of the last two months. I kicked earth balance soy free to the curb and packaged gluten cookies to the curb. I wasn't having gi reactions but I was having extreme brain reactions like anxiety, anger and depression to products with ingredient lists. When something has 25 ingredients how do you ever begin to know what caused the reaction. Udis GF french bread, while really tasty, caused gi effects I'm guessing due to the zantham gum.
I'm also doing well on a modified paleo diet. I have some rice pasta and white (redskin) potatoes which are not technically paleo. The only things I'm buying in packages now are spaghetti sauce (no high fructose), ketchup, mustard, rice pasta, coconut oil, ghee and extra virgin olive oil and tea. Pretty much everything else I eat does not come with an ingredient list. We're eating pretty good at my house and I almost have to watch my weight LOL. The boyfriend likes the home cooked dinners.
I'm cooking meats in big lots. I had the boyfriend grill 6 packs of marinated chicken breasts (GF and SF of course) then I froze them and I'll thaw them one at a time and use the chicken chunks in pasta sauce, soup, and sliced chicken on my salads. This weekend I cooked 4 pork loins. We ate one and the other three the boyfriend cut in sections and we froze them. I find cooking in big lots takes a lot of stress out of my life.
Brandy
I'm also doing well on a modified paleo diet. I have some rice pasta and white (redskin) potatoes which are not technically paleo. The only things I'm buying in packages now are spaghetti sauce (no high fructose), ketchup, mustard, rice pasta, coconut oil, ghee and extra virgin olive oil and tea. Pretty much everything else I eat does not come with an ingredient list. We're eating pretty good at my house and I almost have to watch my weight LOL. The boyfriend likes the home cooked dinners.
I'm cooking meats in big lots. I had the boyfriend grill 6 packs of marinated chicken breasts (GF and SF of course) then I froze them and I'll thaw them one at a time and use the chicken chunks in pasta sauce, soup, and sliced chicken on my salads. This weekend I cooked 4 pork loins. We ate one and the other three the boyfriend cut in sections and we froze them. I find cooking in big lots takes a lot of stress out of my life.
Brandy
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Brandy,
Food in the freezer is like money in the bank. It gives you a wonderful sense of security knowing you will always have something good to eat when you don't feel like cooking or need something to go with the ever present meat main course.
Sheila W
Food in the freezer is like money in the bank. It gives you a wonderful sense of security knowing you will always have something good to eat when you don't feel like cooking or need something to go with the ever present meat main course.
Sheila W
To get something you never had, you have to do something you never did.
A person who never made a mistake never tried something new. Einstein
A person who never made a mistake never tried something new. Einstein
My two cents- besides cross contamination I realized one day at the grocery store that the packaged gf foods are still empty calories just like non-gf versions are empty calories. Cookies, crackers, cake mix, brownie mix are still empty calories and who needs that? As far as I'm concerned this is another prime reason for avoiding processed foods. If it won't improve your health why eat it?
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