Plant related rash
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Plant related rash
Well I have it again......
For the past five years or so I always get a rash on my face a couple times a year after working out in the garden. I'm in it almost everyday in the growing seasons and generally have no reaction. This is the first time it's happened in my flower garden up north at our cabin. All the flowers there come from my garden at home and this time, it's the worst rash ever.
Sometimes it appears more like welts but generally covers my cheeks like a bright pink sunburn. Rash is the best word I can come up with although when I think of a rash it is a speckled area of red dots and that isn't what this is. I can feel it on my chin and forehead too although those areas aren't pink like my cheeks. It's hot and feels like it's just on the top layer of skin. The swelling this time, is around my eyes and quite uncomfortable.
I worked on pulling out some plants to down-size a landscaping area in the front of the cabin and removed some pompass grass that has gotten out of control in a back landscaping bed. I worked all Friday afternoon with no tell tale sign of having an issue. Normally I get a tingling feeling in my face as a warning. Saturday morning I woke up to a very angry rash. I took a benadryl in hopes of calming it but it only prooved to make me tired. This is the first time it hasn't helped. I put ice packs on my face in the afternoon and took two benadryl before bed. This morning the swelling around my eyes has worsened. I hoped that being upright would help but after a couple of hours of being up- no change. At least my eyeballs don't itch today but I'm thinking that wearing my contacts today would be not such a good idea. It will take a couple of weeks before it will go away. Any ideas of what could help expedite the process?
Staying inside is not an option. I have fewer varieties of plants at the cabin than at home. Trying to figure out what is causing it seems impossible. The plants I came into contact with are: hastas, chives, primrose, raspberry bush, low growing seedum, pampass grass, and daisies. I guess it doesn't matter because I most likely would not erdadicate a specific plant/flower from my garden without being absolutely sure it was causing me grief.
How is it that sometimes the things we love most cause the greatest amount of problems? Flowers to an outdoor fanatic? Pizza, bread, and cookies to a MCer?
As a side note: never ever plant pampass grass where you don't want it to spread. Novice mistake with the thoughts that pulling it out where I didn't want it would be no problem. I planted it as a small clump near the foudation of the cabin thinking it would be a nice visual. I'm kicking myself in the pants now. It's everwhere! The root system is so dense and runs everywhere. I think I dug it all up but know I will most likely be puling it for many years to come. I love AND despise it.
For the past five years or so I always get a rash on my face a couple times a year after working out in the garden. I'm in it almost everyday in the growing seasons and generally have no reaction. This is the first time it's happened in my flower garden up north at our cabin. All the flowers there come from my garden at home and this time, it's the worst rash ever.
Sometimes it appears more like welts but generally covers my cheeks like a bright pink sunburn. Rash is the best word I can come up with although when I think of a rash it is a speckled area of red dots and that isn't what this is. I can feel it on my chin and forehead too although those areas aren't pink like my cheeks. It's hot and feels like it's just on the top layer of skin. The swelling this time, is around my eyes and quite uncomfortable.
I worked on pulling out some plants to down-size a landscaping area in the front of the cabin and removed some pompass grass that has gotten out of control in a back landscaping bed. I worked all Friday afternoon with no tell tale sign of having an issue. Normally I get a tingling feeling in my face as a warning. Saturday morning I woke up to a very angry rash. I took a benadryl in hopes of calming it but it only prooved to make me tired. This is the first time it hasn't helped. I put ice packs on my face in the afternoon and took two benadryl before bed. This morning the swelling around my eyes has worsened. I hoped that being upright would help but after a couple of hours of being up- no change. At least my eyeballs don't itch today but I'm thinking that wearing my contacts today would be not such a good idea. It will take a couple of weeks before it will go away. Any ideas of what could help expedite the process?
Staying inside is not an option. I have fewer varieties of plants at the cabin than at home. Trying to figure out what is causing it seems impossible. The plants I came into contact with are: hastas, chives, primrose, raspberry bush, low growing seedum, pampass grass, and daisies. I guess it doesn't matter because I most likely would not erdadicate a specific plant/flower from my garden without being absolutely sure it was causing me grief.
How is it that sometimes the things we love most cause the greatest amount of problems? Flowers to an outdoor fanatic? Pizza, bread, and cookies to a MCer?
As a side note: never ever plant pampass grass where you don't want it to spread. Novice mistake with the thoughts that pulling it out where I didn't want it would be no problem. I planted it as a small clump near the foudation of the cabin thinking it would be a nice visual. I'm kicking myself in the pants now. It's everwhere! The root system is so dense and runs everywhere. I think I dug it all up but know I will most likely be puling it for many years to come. I love AND despise it.
Deb
"Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead, where there is no path, and leave a trail.
-Ralph Waldo Emerson
2007 CC
2013 thyroid cancer- total thyroidectomy
2013 Hashimoto's - numbers always "normal"
2017 Lyme's Disease
"Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead, where there is no path, and leave a trail.
-Ralph Waldo Emerson
2007 CC
2013 thyroid cancer- total thyroidectomy
2013 Hashimoto's - numbers always "normal"
2017 Lyme's Disease
Hi Deb,
Nearly every time I work in my garden, I get a very itchy rash/welts. Even if I wear long sleeves and gloves (not easy in the Florida sun), the very itchy rash appears a couple of days later on any part of my body the plants touched. My rash lasts for at least ten days - sometimes lasting four weeks or longer. The plants I seem to react to the most are tropical - palms in particular. Hibiscus doesn't seem to bother me at all. I take Benadryl every night, and I don't think it has any effect on the rash.
I'm not sure why I never seem to learn from that. I, too, love the outdoors and working in my garden. Someday, I will learn to hire that work done every time - not just on occasion. Staying healthy is a full time job!
I hope your rash clears soon.
Kathy
Nearly every time I work in my garden, I get a very itchy rash/welts. Even if I wear long sleeves and gloves (not easy in the Florida sun), the very itchy rash appears a couple of days later on any part of my body the plants touched. My rash lasts for at least ten days - sometimes lasting four weeks or longer. The plants I seem to react to the most are tropical - palms in particular. Hibiscus doesn't seem to bother me at all. I take Benadryl every night, and I don't think it has any effect on the rash.
I'm not sure why I never seem to learn from that. I, too, love the outdoors and working in my garden. Someday, I will learn to hire that work done every time - not just on occasion. Staying healthy is a full time job!
I hope your rash clears soon.
Kathy
Thanks Kathy- the effects of the rash are almost gone. Skin is still a bit rough and areas peeled like a sunburn after the swelling went down. I did notice the carpel tunnel-like issues I was having greatly improved when the rash appeared. Now that it's ran its course it will be interesting to see if it returns.
I tried an herbal spray made by Schreiners that helped tremendously. It is used by vets for a variety of reasons. I bought it for my cat who had an open wound on the back of her leg caused by a kitten we rescued from the freezing cold a couple of winters ago. Benadryl stopped helping and one of the stated uses
is to relieve hot spots in small animals. I figured the amount of heat radiating from my face qualified as a hot spot even though I lack four legs and a tail.
I seem to have rotating pains that make it difficult to determine if I actually have a problem or am loosing my mind. I will get shoulder pains, neck tension, leg muscle aches, carpel tunnel pains, and not too long ago severe pain in the ball of my foot that made it difficult to walk for about a week. I've adopted a wait and see mentality because I'd feel like a fool running to the doctor for every ache and pain although quite severe. I figure at some point it will disappear and something new will take its place
I tried an herbal spray made by Schreiners that helped tremendously. It is used by vets for a variety of reasons. I bought it for my cat who had an open wound on the back of her leg caused by a kitten we rescued from the freezing cold a couple of winters ago. Benadryl stopped helping and one of the stated uses
is to relieve hot spots in small animals. I figured the amount of heat radiating from my face qualified as a hot spot even though I lack four legs and a tail.
I seem to have rotating pains that make it difficult to determine if I actually have a problem or am loosing my mind. I will get shoulder pains, neck tension, leg muscle aches, carpel tunnel pains, and not too long ago severe pain in the ball of my foot that made it difficult to walk for about a week. I've adopted a wait and see mentality because I'd feel like a fool running to the doctor for every ache and pain although quite severe. I figure at some point it will disappear and something new will take its place
Deb
"Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead, where there is no path, and leave a trail.
-Ralph Waldo Emerson
2007 CC
2013 thyroid cancer- total thyroidectomy
2013 Hashimoto's - numbers always "normal"
2017 Lyme's Disease
"Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead, where there is no path, and leave a trail.
-Ralph Waldo Emerson
2007 CC
2013 thyroid cancer- total thyroidectomy
2013 Hashimoto's - numbers always "normal"
2017 Lyme's Disease
Roving pains could possibly be associated with peripheral neuropathy.Deb wrote:I seem to have rotating pains that make it difficult to determine if I actually have a problem or am loosing my mind.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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Hi Deb,
I have no input re your rash, sorry.
I do have pain that shows up just about anywhere. Do you have osteo arthritis? My arthritis pain seems to be helped by eliminating nightshades from my diet. There are no anti-inflammatories that I can take and I'm using Pennsaid topical when pain gets bad. Some days my ankle hurts, some days my shoulder hurts. There are areas that hurt all the time.
Sheila W
I have no input re your rash, sorry.
I do have pain that shows up just about anywhere. Do you have osteo arthritis? My arthritis pain seems to be helped by eliminating nightshades from my diet. There are no anti-inflammatories that I can take and I'm using Pennsaid topical when pain gets bad. Some days my ankle hurts, some days my shoulder hurts. There are areas that hurt all the time.
Sheila W
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A person who never made a mistake never tried something new. Einstein
A person who never made a mistake never tried something new. Einstein
Can anyone have it? I know it's common among those with diabetes but I'm not in that category. A while ago I supplemented with B vitamins but discontinued in Nov 2013 after getting lab results back that my B12 was at 1878 pg/mL (range 160 pg/mL low - 1000 pg/mL high)
Looking back through my lab results, I don't find any other Bs were tested. How is it diagnosed?
Looking back through my lab results, I don't find any other Bs were tested. How is it diagnosed?
Deb
"Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead, where there is no path, and leave a trail.
-Ralph Waldo Emerson
2007 CC
2013 thyroid cancer- total thyroidectomy
2013 Hashimoto's - numbers always "normal"
2017 Lyme's Disease
"Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead, where there is no path, and leave a trail.
-Ralph Waldo Emerson
2007 CC
2013 thyroid cancer- total thyroidectomy
2013 Hashimoto's - numbers always "normal"
2017 Lyme's Disease
Sheila, I've been to a rheumatologist and she said there was nothing she could help me with- which is a good thing. She did comment on how flexible I was and cautioned me about the potential for hyperextension injuries.
I don't take anything for the pain. Tylenol doesn't do much for me so I don't bother taking it. I use ice occassionally but generally shy away from it because it makes me cold all over. My husband gives me massages- God bless him! I find that my aches and pains are more muscle related instead of the actual joints although there is pain there too sometimes- if that makes sense. .?? Connective tissue?
I don't take anything for the pain. Tylenol doesn't do much for me so I don't bother taking it. I use ice occassionally but generally shy away from it because it makes me cold all over. My husband gives me massages- God bless him! I find that my aches and pains are more muscle related instead of the actual joints although there is pain there too sometimes- if that makes sense. .?? Connective tissue?
Deb
"Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead, where there is no path, and leave a trail.
-Ralph Waldo Emerson
2007 CC
2013 thyroid cancer- total thyroidectomy
2013 Hashimoto's - numbers always "normal"
2017 Lyme's Disease
"Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead, where there is no path, and leave a trail.
-Ralph Waldo Emerson
2007 CC
2013 thyroid cancer- total thyroidectomy
2013 Hashimoto's - numbers always "normal"
2017 Lyme's Disease
I don't have diabetes either. But as you are probably aware, my peripheral neuropathy, gait and balance issues were so bad 6 or 7 years ago that I was diagnosed with Parkinson's disease (but I don't seem to have Parkinson's disease, and another neurologist agrees with me). I blame my symptoms on years of untreated gluten sensitivity before I figured out what was wrong and how to correct it, and it's possible that methylation problems may be involved also. Metanx definitely helps to at least partially resolve the symptoms.Deb wrote:Can anyone have it? I know it's common among those with diabetes but I'm not in that category.
You know, I wonder about those B-12 tests. I wonder if the test detects the inactive form or the active form. The point is, if it detects the inactive form (which is the most likely case), and our body is incapable of converting the inactive form into the active form, the inactive form will tend to build up, while our body continues to be starved for methylcobalamin (similar to the situation with folate).
My level usually runs slightly above the normal range whenever it's tested, but I take the active form. Which form did you take? If it was the active form, you obviously had plenty in 2013. We seem to do better if our level is well up in the upper part of the normal range, but your level was certainly higher than necessary back in 2013. However, if you haven't taken any since then, I wonder if your level might now be lower than ideal. And if your level is still relatively high now (at least in the upper part of the normal range), that suggests that you may not be able to convert it into the active form, because that surplus should be long gone by now (if you haven't taken any since 2013).
Peripherial neuropathy is indicated when paresthesia (tingling or numbness) is present in the extremities of limbs (lower legs and feet, or hands and fingers). It's also marked by poor sense of touch or reduced ability to sense pain in those areas, transient pain that has no apparent cause, poor reflexes (in knees, ankles), etc.Deb wrote: Looking back through my lab results, I don't find any other Bs were tested. How is it diagnosed?
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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Hi Deb, Have you been tested for fibromyalgia or polymyalgia rheumatica (PMR)? Both involve muscle pain. Your Sed rate will be quite elevated with PMR and your doctor surely would have noticed that. We all seem to be prone to autoimmune issues and that is a possibility.
My former doctor never detected my Sjogrens because he didn't order the correct tests to be done. The antihistamines I was taking every day were making the Sjogrens symptoms much worse.
I hope you can figure it out, Deb.
Sheila W
My former doctor never detected my Sjogrens because he didn't order the correct tests to be done. The antihistamines I was taking every day were making the Sjogrens symptoms much worse.
I hope you can figure it out, Deb.
Sheila W
To get something you never had, you have to do something you never did.
A person who never made a mistake never tried something new. Einstein
A person who never made a mistake never tried something new. Einstein
Deb,
Sheila's post reminded me of something I read in 1 of Chris Kresser's blogs —magnesium deficiency is often misdiagnosed as fibromyalgia. Some of us seem to have a major problem absorbing enough magnesium. And apparently a magnesium deficiency doesn't always show the same symptoms for everyone. For me, it's most noticeable effect is shortness of breath and the inability to take a deep breath, but it has also caused many other symptoms for me at different times. After quite a bit of experimentation, I have determined that I have to take at least 600 mg of magnesium daily, or my breathing problem returns.
I took more while I was recovering from my antibiotic reaction, but I thought that I would be able to get by with less once I was stable again. But I soon ran out of magnesium. So I have settled (for now at least) on 200 mg of magnesium citrate and 200 mg of magnesium glycinate each morning after breakfast, and 200 mg of magnesium glycinate at bedtime. If I have time to allow it to soak in for at least 15 or 20 minutes before taking a shower, I'll spray magnesium oil on my legs and arms and skip the 200 mg of magnesium glycinate at bedtime. As Jean has pointed out before, oral magnesium glycinate doesn't seem to cause any digestive system issues.
Of course, YMMV.
Tex
Sheila's post reminded me of something I read in 1 of Chris Kresser's blogs —magnesium deficiency is often misdiagnosed as fibromyalgia. Some of us seem to have a major problem absorbing enough magnesium. And apparently a magnesium deficiency doesn't always show the same symptoms for everyone. For me, it's most noticeable effect is shortness of breath and the inability to take a deep breath, but it has also caused many other symptoms for me at different times. After quite a bit of experimentation, I have determined that I have to take at least 600 mg of magnesium daily, or my breathing problem returns.
I took more while I was recovering from my antibiotic reaction, but I thought that I would be able to get by with less once I was stable again. But I soon ran out of magnesium. So I have settled (for now at least) on 200 mg of magnesium citrate and 200 mg of magnesium glycinate each morning after breakfast, and 200 mg of magnesium glycinate at bedtime. If I have time to allow it to soak in for at least 15 or 20 minutes before taking a shower, I'll spray magnesium oil on my legs and arms and skip the 200 mg of magnesium glycinate at bedtime. As Jean has pointed out before, oral magnesium glycinate doesn't seem to cause any digestive system issues.
Of course, YMMV.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
I couldn't determine which test was done- it just named it as DVB12. Not sure what the "D" stands for.
I did notice the note at the nottom of the results reading as follows:
"Intrinsic Factor blocking antibodies are present in approximately half of pernicious anemia patients. There is a low frequency possibility that high titers of these antibodies can interfere with this Vit-B12 assay, potentially causing false elevations. If test results are in conflict with the clinical diagnosis, suggest repeat testing by an alternate Vit-B12 method. "
I wonder if this is related. At that time my Ferritin was at 15 and more recently it was 13. I just finished a frustrating appointment a few months ago where my PCP told me I was anemic but she had no cause. I was referred to a hematologist who met with me and said there was nothing wrong with me. This was all in an effort to remedy why my butt has been dragging since nobody will address my T4/T3 ranges that are, of course, normal but I would like to see tweaked. Frustrated with the time and money spent on that - I went with the advise offered here and have been taking the proferrin for about two months now. I have noticed some improvement.
The kind of supplement I was taking is Methyl cobalamin vit b12 5000MCG.
When I saw the rheumatologist years ago, fibromyalgia was mentioned but I wasn't interested in taking any more drugs so the conversation didn't go too far. The pains I associated with that I rarely have now but they do pop up once in a while.
Too bad everything isn't black and white and each auto immune issue didn't have overlapping symptoms. The tingling/numbness is not all the time and only in my hands which seems to correspond with the carpel tunnel idea. I am wearing braces as night which seem to help. The burning in my fingertips (not all the time, either) could be nerve damage from working in the freezer (-10 degrees) but that's only a guess. I am more tipsey which is embarassing but my reflexes are and always have been hyper sensitive. I remind myself I am doing a job that involves hefting 40-60 boxes on a daily basis and as reluctant as I am to say it- I'm not in my 20's anymore. Although, I have a hard time pinning it on age because it all is so transient.
At least I when I start getting overly frustrated with one pain, I know if I wait long enough, it will fade and be replaced by something new!
I did notice the note at the nottom of the results reading as follows:
"Intrinsic Factor blocking antibodies are present in approximately half of pernicious anemia patients. There is a low frequency possibility that high titers of these antibodies can interfere with this Vit-B12 assay, potentially causing false elevations. If test results are in conflict with the clinical diagnosis, suggest repeat testing by an alternate Vit-B12 method. "
I wonder if this is related. At that time my Ferritin was at 15 and more recently it was 13. I just finished a frustrating appointment a few months ago where my PCP told me I was anemic but she had no cause. I was referred to a hematologist who met with me and said there was nothing wrong with me. This was all in an effort to remedy why my butt has been dragging since nobody will address my T4/T3 ranges that are, of course, normal but I would like to see tweaked. Frustrated with the time and money spent on that - I went with the advise offered here and have been taking the proferrin for about two months now. I have noticed some improvement.
The kind of supplement I was taking is Methyl cobalamin vit b12 5000MCG.
When I saw the rheumatologist years ago, fibromyalgia was mentioned but I wasn't interested in taking any more drugs so the conversation didn't go too far. The pains I associated with that I rarely have now but they do pop up once in a while.
Too bad everything isn't black and white and each auto immune issue didn't have overlapping symptoms. The tingling/numbness is not all the time and only in my hands which seems to correspond with the carpel tunnel idea. I am wearing braces as night which seem to help. The burning in my fingertips (not all the time, either) could be nerve damage from working in the freezer (-10 degrees) but that's only a guess. I am more tipsey which is embarassing but my reflexes are and always have been hyper sensitive. I remind myself I am doing a job that involves hefting 40-60 boxes on a daily basis and as reluctant as I am to say it- I'm not in my 20's anymore. Although, I have a hard time pinning it on age because it all is so transient.
At least I when I start getting overly frustrated with one pain, I know if I wait long enough, it will fade and be replaced by something new!
Deb
"Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead, where there is no path, and leave a trail.
-Ralph Waldo Emerson
2007 CC
2013 thyroid cancer- total thyroidectomy
2013 Hashimoto's - numbers always "normal"
2017 Lyme's Disease
"Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead, where there is no path, and leave a trail.
-Ralph Waldo Emerson
2007 CC
2013 thyroid cancer- total thyroidectomy
2013 Hashimoto's - numbers always "normal"
2017 Lyme's Disease
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My fibromyalgia has improved 80% since fixing magnesium deficiency and fixing methylation issues (less toxins, metals, etc in the brain, and far less inflammation in my body)
Symptoms only tend to return if I drop the magnesium dose, and/or Vit C and don't get enough zinc.
(Good nerve structure/message system needs Vit C and zinc)
Re the rash. Lanolin makes a great barrier on the skin for gardening to protect against irritants like that (and boost Vit D production in the body)
Or take antihistamines to minimise the skin reaction....
Since fixing methylation issues, I do not get any histamine reactions.. Not even to things that years ago a slight touch would put me into major reaction.... As a child I would get asthma attacks just from entering a house with a cat. Now I can pat them!!!
Maybe taking active forms of the B's will serve you better...
Symptoms only tend to return if I drop the magnesium dose, and/or Vit C and don't get enough zinc.
(Good nerve structure/message system needs Vit C and zinc)
Re the rash. Lanolin makes a great barrier on the skin for gardening to protect against irritants like that (and boost Vit D production in the body)
Or take antihistamines to minimise the skin reaction....
Since fixing methylation issues, I do not get any histamine reactions.. Not even to things that years ago a slight touch would put me into major reaction.... As a child I would get asthma attacks just from entering a house with a cat. Now I can pat them!!!
Maybe taking active forms of the B's will serve you better...
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama