Why Daily Dosing Of Vitamin D Is Important

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Why Daily Dosing Of Vitamin D Is Important

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We've all heard of studies that concluded that vitamin D provided no benefits to patients during the study. Well, maybe this is the reason. It seems that researchers sometimes leave their brains at the entrance to the lab when they are designing research studies. They tend to do things in the easiest way that will yield them the results they want. But that doesn't necessarily lead to accurate and reliable results. The body was designed to produce vitamin D in the skin, whenever sun exposure is available, and this process works very well. It amounts to relatively small to moderate doses of vitamin D on a regular basis. So why would most research projects claiming to study vitamin D choose to use weekly or monthly doses? Probably because it's easier, even though it totally disregards normal dosing patterns.

A recent study seems to reveal why those "bolus dosing" studies are invalid.
The reason may be that the current vitamin D canon (accepted belief) is incorrect. Current canon is the autocrine theory, which states that all of the relevant parent compound (vitamin D) is transported to the liver where it is metabolized to 25(OH)D, and this 25(OH)D is then transported by vitamin D binding protein (VDBP) to the 33 tissues that utilize vitamin D. The cells in these tissues then absorb 25(OH)D through the cell walls where it is again metabolized to form the steroid hormone calcitriol, which regulates genes.

However, this may be not be accurate, as 25(OH)D is strongly bound to vitamin D binding protein (VDBP), and not much of it is free to passively diffuse across cell walls. The 25(OH)D/VDBP complex can be transported across cell membranes by specialized transporter proteins, but to date, these transporter proteins have not been found in very many tissues.

Hollis and Wagner theory states that it’s the parent compound (vitamin D) that diffuses across cell walls. Very little vitamin D is bound to VDBP, so it is free to cross the cell membranes in large amounts by passive diffusion where it is metabolized into calcitriol. This would explain why the parent compound, vitamin D, disappears from the blood so quickly (12-24 hours); it is absorbed into cells.
If Hollis and Wagner are correct, it explains why so many bolus dosing studies using weekly, monthly or longer doses are negative. When using those doses, even large amounts of vitamin D would be cleared from the systemic circulation in several days and thus not be available to diffuse into cells and work vitamin D’s magic.
Why is daily dosing of vitamin D important?

Proof once again that many medical researchers either don't know what they're doing, or they are out to intentionally distort the results of their studies.

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Am I correct that the prescriptions Dr's write for high dose Vit D supplementation are only taken once a week? Is it also true that the scripts are usually for a different form of Vitamin D-perhaps D2 and it does not tend to work as well as D3?

I ask because today, my husband had the interesting experience of having an 8 hr executive physical at the Cooper Clinic in Dallas. I still have to debrief with him as he isn't home yet but he mentioned his Vit D level was very low and he was given a script (will see what it is for)-being told to take for 3 months and then they will recheck and he can move to non script supplements. She felt the non script supplements will not work fast enough. She felt some of his symptoms will resolve with this supplementation. She also felt a small kidney stone she saw on a scan would disappear with supplementation.

He does not have MC but he has been doing GF with me for just about 6 months and I will say his blood work reflected it compared to last year. She was VERY supportive of him having a GF diet in general and felt so many of their patients would benefit if they would stick to it. All his liver enzymes normalized (and another Dr last year was thinking liver biopsy and I was like NO), A1-C great and not complete, but a lot of cholesterol measures down or normal. I think his HDL will increase with the Vit D-mine did.

Just another window into a different medical practitioner and so much advice here is great advice for non MC people. Even though I don't have complete resolution with my MC, it has brought so much wonderful health knowledge into our life!

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Yes, you are correct. Most doctors tend to prescribe D2 in 50,000 IU capsules to be taken once a week. Here is a quote from page 50 of Vitamin D and Autoimmune Disease.
Note that the research articles cited here refer to vitamin D3, rather than just plain vitamin D. In fact, 2 forms of vitamin D are commonly available — vitamin D2 and vitamin D3. Vitamin D2 is otherwise known as ergocalciferol, and vitamin D3 is known as cholecalciferol. Interestingly, when physicians prescribe vitamin D, the prescriptions almost invariably refer to vitamin D2, but by contrast, virtually all of the over-the-counter vitamin D supplements are in the form of vitamin D3.

Many decades ago, vitamin D2 was thought to be the equivalent of vitamin D3, but that assumption can no longer be justified. Why physicians continue to prescribe vitamin D2 is somewhat of a mystery, since research shows that vitamin D3 supplements are consistently more effective than vitamin D2 supplements. Houghton and Vieth, (2006), summed up the case against vitamin D2 supplements with this statement:7

The case that vitamin D2 should no longer be considered equivalent to vitamin D3 is based on differences in their efficacy at raising serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D, diminished binding of vitamin D2 metabolites to vitamin D binding protein in plasma, and a nonphysiologic metabolism and shorter shelf life of vitamin D2. Vitamin D2, or ergocalciferol, should not be regarded as a nutrient suitable for supplementation or fortification. (p. 696)
And here is reference 7 from that quote:

7. Houghton, L. A., & Vieth, R. (2006). The case against ergocalciferol (vitamin D2) as a vitamin supplement. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 84(4), 694–697. Retrieved from http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/84/4/694.full

It seems that since that book was published, more doctors are now prescribing D3, so it's possible that the prescription might be written for D3. However, according to the research discussed in my original post in this thread, taking 7,000 IU each day should be more effective at boosting vitamin D levels than taking 50,000 IU once a week.

The only time in my life when I had a problem with kidney stones was when I was living with a magnesium deficiency. Plenty of vitamin D and magnesium in circulation will get calcium out of the bloodstream and into bones, where it belongs, so that it can't be inappropriately deposited into kidneys, or arteries, or anywhere else where it can be very harmful. My vitamin D level was more than adequate at the time, and my parathyroid hormone level was normal, so a magnesium deficiency had to be the problem.

Increasing your husband's vitamin D level will indeed help to prevent kidney stones, provided that he has plenty of magnesium in his system. And I certainly agree with his doctor that it is important to get his vitamin D level well up into the safe range as quickly as possible, so that his immune system will no longer be handicapped.

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My partner who has Endometriosis suffered quite severe upper back pains, her GP told her she was low in Vitamin D after she had blood test. Anyway she started taking a Vitamin D supplement (2000iu ) and within a couple of weeks had her first pain free night in years. It certainly worked for her
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My partner who has Endometriosis suffered quite severe upper back pains,
everything we have been discussing for you, to help minimise inflammation and promote healing, applies the same to your partner...

Following low inflammation lifestyle (eating, managing stress etc) and taking the right key nutrients will help with all health issues....
especially magnesium...
https://healthunlocked.com/endometriosi ... m-for-endo.
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Hello Gabes, I will let my partner know about magnesium, she already takes D3 and Iron. Thank you . Jim
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Thank you for your response! We are going to go the route of 7000 IU a day and since I order supplements online, I have pleanty extra-including the mag glycinate. We never even bothered to find out what the script was for.

Have a great day. Taia
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Before I developed LC, I was diagnosed as being deficient in Vit D and my doctor gave me a prescription. Looking back on this I'm wondering if that led me to LC. I'm taking about 1000 iu a day but it looks like I need to increase it.
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Yes, the average person uses approximately 5,000 IU of vitamin D each day (according to the Vitamin D Council), so most of us need to take about that much (or more) in order to boost our vitamin D level enough to get it up to a safe level within a reasonable amount of time. The longer it takes to get our vitamin D level to a good place, the longer we are exposed to an increased risk of developing one or more AI diseases.

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I have managed to keep my Vit D levels fairly stable once I fixed magnesium deficiency.

I still supplement Vit D daily.
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I've been taking 6000 IU of Vitamin D3 daily for several months now. My most recent lab value was 74. The one previous to that was when I had taken 12 weeks of 50,000 IU weekly for 12 weeks. That value was on 7/1/15 and it was 72.
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Thank you for sharing that info. It appears that 6,000 IU daily is slightly more efficient than 50,000 IU weekly (which averages 7,143 IU per day).

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