Magnesium Deficiency Increases Histamine In Circulation

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Magnesium Deficiency Increases Histamine In Circulation

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Hi All,

While reviewing some research articles to be used as references in a book, I came across one today that is almost 30 years old, but it explains why so many of us have histamine problems associated with MC. In this study, rats fed a magnesium-deficient diet for 8 days showed significantly increased histamine levels in their urine after 4 days, and the histamine reached a maximum level on day 8. Increased histamine levels could be found in tissues also, by day 8. When the magnesium deficient group was fed a higher magnesium diet for 2 days, their histamine (and serum magnesium) levels returned to the same levels as the controls. The body makes histamine from histadine. Histidine decarboxylase (HDC) is the enzyme that catalyzes the reaction that produces histamine from histidine (with the help of vitamin B-6). Note the significance of this quote from the abstract of the article at the link below.
Histidine decarboxylase (HDC) activity in some tissues of Mg-deficient rats increased markedly. The increased HDC activity dropped nearly to control levels after feeding them a 0.21% Mg diet for 2 days.
And in addition, by day 8 on a low magnesium diet the diamine oxidase (DAO) level of the rats was approximately half the level of the controls. As most of us are aware from past discussions here, DAO is the enzyme used by the body to purge left-over (unused) histamine from the system. Without adequate DAO, histamine can build up in the body, eventually causing symptoms.

This is almost surely the reason why so many of us have histamine issues associated with our MC — obviously many of us are magnesium deficient.

Specific change of histamine metabolism in acute magnesium-deficient young rats.

The research data indicate that recovery should be relatively prompt (within a couple of days) after adjusting the diet to provide 3 times the normal magnesium requirement. But most of us don't see such a prompt response. For one thing, most of us don't take that much magnesium — that would require approximately 1,200 mg per day, which might cause problems for someone who has MC. In addition I have a hunch that this may be influenced by the fact that the rats in this study were not magnesium deficient at the start of the 8-day study, whereas most of us are initially magnesium deficient.

If we have a long-term magnesium deficiency then some of the dietary magnesium will surely go to tissue reserve replenishment. We know this happens because increased magnesium intake promptly resolves muscle cramps. And most of us have a malabsorption problem, so our absorption of magnesium is not likely to proceed at a normal rate. So with a lower supplementation rate, a reduced absorption rate, and much of the magnesium going to resupply depleted muscle reserves, it's not surprising that it takes us much longer to resolve a magnesium deficiency compared with the rats in this study.

So there you have it — my take on why so many of us have histamine issues associated with our MC. There's a reason for everything — we just have to find it.

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Oh that is really good Tex!

I'm wondering if I were low even prior to my MC, since I suffered from migraines starting at age 15. Oddly enough, I've only had one in the last 6 months and it didn't put me to bed. I recovered within 5 hours compared to 24.

Wasn't Erica taking a higher amount of mg for her migraines? I'm just curious, if so, did she notice any difference in histamine problems?

That would be a really good test for the spring.

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I think you're right — I'll bet that I have been magnesium deficient for most of my life. Look at this:

I can remember being constipated before I was old enough to go to school.
Of interest is a 2006 study that looked at the relationship between constipation and water, fiber, and magnesium intake. The study was conducted in Japan with a whopping number of 3,835 subjects who were between the ages of 18 and 20. Constipation was not found to be associated with low fiber intake or low intake of water from fluids. Constipation was associated with low intake of magnesium and low intake of water from foods.
The red emphasis is mine. And here is a link to that study:

Association between dietary fiber, water and magnesium intake and functional constipation among young Japanese women

Before You Take Magnesium for Constipation

I had asthma when I was a kid.
Typical Asthma medications may have saved a person’s day many times but their actions come with a steep price. The more you use these medications the more a person becomes subjected to their side effects. It should be obvious that when magnesium deficiencies are not addressed the need for pharmaceutical asthma medications will increase leaving a person or child even more vulnerable. Magnesium losses are notorious for occurring as a result of the drugs used specifically for asthma that open airways and reduce inflammation.

A very recent study published in the Journal of Asthma (Kazaks et al, 2010), studied the effect of six months of magnesium supplementation (170 mg taken twice daily with food) on pulmonary function tests, asthma control, and quality of life in patients with mild to moderate asthma. The authors found that 6 month supplementation with magnesium improved objective measures of asthma (PFT) along with subjective measures of quality of life and asthma control.
Whatta ya know? More iatrogenic drugs. :sigh:

Magnesium & Asthma

Yep, we probably were born with a compromised ability to absorb magnesium. And I've had allergies (and histamine issues) all my life, as a result of that deficiency.

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Explains my my histamine issues improved so much when I was taking 1200mg of magnesium per day....

and with digestion issues since birth, and the pyrrolle issues, all my recent research indicates that is is highly probably I have been deficient in many vitamins and minerals for most of my life!
(lots of asthma / allergies as a child - I have not had any asthma since adopting my MC eating plan)
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Yes, this could also explain my constipation since the age of 5.

I can still recall when I had to go to the outdoor toilet at our summer house (above the Arctic Circle). I knew I would have to sit a long time before anything happened, and I was afraid of the flies, so I persuaded my younger sister to come along with me, and hold my hand during the long "process".

In my 20's I moved to Paris, and French people don't drink cow's milk as we do in Norway, and my digestion was fine. As soon as I got back to Norway, the C started again. But, I didn't see the connection.

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A quick refresher please..... Are routine magnesium definiency tests reliable?
How much and in what form do you take?
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Lilia wrote:In my 20's I moved to Paris, and French people don't drink cow's milk as we do in Norway, and my digestion was fine. As soon as I got back to Norway, the C started again. But, I didn't see the connection.
Yes, when we are magnesium deficient, the body can't get calcium out of the blood properly, to use it to make new bone tissue and so it builds up and goes to the wrong places and corrupts the way various systems of the body operate.

Doctors know that calcium can be constipating (some even prescribe calcium supplements to control MC), but they don't seem to realize that the problem is caused by a magnesium deficiency.

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Linda wrote:A quick refresher please..... Are routine magnesium definiency tests reliable?
The conventional blood tests can tell you if the magnesium reserves in muscle cells of your body are so depleted that the blood can no longer recover any magnesium from them (so serum magnesium levels fall to below the "normal" range. But other than that, they are pretty much worthless, because the body will always pull magnesium from magnesium reserves in muscle cells in order to keep blood levels in the "normal" range (because magnesium is a vital electrolyte). So you will never know of a deficiency until your reserves are all gone. It's possible to order a "tissue test" for magnesium, and that should give accurate results, but I've never seen a doctor order that type of test. They always naively choose the cheap and easy blood test.
Linda wrote:How much and in what form do you take?
I take 200 mg of magnesium citrate plus 100 mg of magnesium glucinate after breakfast, and another 100 mg of magnesium glycinate after lunch, and another before bedtime. IOW, I take a total of 550 mg (my multivitamin contains 50 mg as I recall — or maybe it's 80 mg, but it's not enough to be worth mentioning). The only reason why I take the 200 mg of magnesium citrate (rather than taking all magnesium glycinate) is because it's what I started with and I have a lot on hand.

Remember that for magnesium supplements, the amount shown on the front label is virtually always exactly half of what each tablet contains. If you read the information on the back label you will see that a normal dose is almost always 2 tablets.

And remember that "buffered" chelated magnesium (magnesium glycinate) should be avoided because it's "buffered" by substituting for up to half of the magnesium glycinate with cheap magnesium oxide. Not only is magnesium oxide poorly absorbed, but it's notorious for causing D for many people. That's why I use Doctor's Best brand of chelated magnesium (it's not "buffered").

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I take anywhere from 600mg to 800mg elemental magnesium per day most via spray

Also important to read the label to see how much 'ELemental Magnesium' you are getting as the RDI values mentioned by Tex are based on Elemental magnesium.
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Gabes & Tex,

My magnesium glycinate is from Klaire Labs.

It says....Magnesium (TRAACS magnesium bisglycinate, magnesium oxide)
100 mg in one capsule. I've been taking 2 per day.

So, Drs Best would be better? Thank you!
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I could be wrong but I'll bet a GF cookie that the magnesium you described contains 50 % magnesium oxide.

Dr's best contains no magnesium oxide. It is 100 % magnesium glycinate.

I stopped using Vitacost brand chelated magnesium because it was "buffered" with no description. But when I did enough research online to track it down I finally found that it is buffered with up to 50 % magnesium oxide. The product is "buffered" to save money, not to benefit the user, as is claimed in the ads. "Buffered" is an apt choice of words, because it really means reduced absorption in this case, but most people naturally misinterpret it to mean that it reduces the risk of damage to the body. The problem with that is that there is no risk of damage that "buffering" could correct. We don't need reduced absorption — we already have plenty of that. :lol:

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Thanks, Tex! I sure do benefit from your research, and appreciate that you do it, and pass it on.
I thought I was doing the right thing from conversations on here last year, but I was not!

This site continues to be a wealth of information!

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Tex,

I am not sure how to post a pic here. I found another magnesium supplement, and wanted you to look at the ingredients to see if I should give it a try.

I sent the pic to your email.

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HI Martha....in regards to upping my Magnesium and Migraines I think I need to up it a bit more than my current 600-700 as I felt slight symptoms trying to come on regarding a headache about 4 days ago and took 1 of my triptan pills, but that is all I had to take for that episode so I do believe the Magnesium is trying to do its trick I just think I need a higher dose at this point. I can't believe how much it has really taken to get the body feeling almost balanced.

I'm sure my 'busy-body' brain sucks up mega doses of Magnesium as I feel I am in constant motion all day long, I can't sit still for the life of me, so my magnesium level of need may be way more than someone who is able to chill and relax when they need to.

I'm currently looking into my serotonin and dopamine levels...see if there is something lacking that dept lol..

I can remember finding it hard to pass stool as a young child and teenager too and right before this MC struck I can recall BM trips taking longer to expel. Wish I had followed my hunch about Magnesium way back when at the time when I was telling family members about the importance of taking at least 400 mg a day....but then I wasn't so savvy about the Elemental aspect either so I probably wouldn't have taken enough then to see a real difference.

Thanks Tex, perhaps this will help with my histamine also....just gotta take more!
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Erica, for whatever reason I am big mag user, if I drop below about 400mg per day for a few days I start to get leg cramps/sore neck etc.

I have a feeling for me, it is related to nervous system damage coupled with pyrrole/unbound copper issues and the thyroid/iodine deficiency.
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