Rosemary extract

[ldubois7]

We had a discussion a few months ago regarding rosemary extract in ground turkey.

I had said that I read that it usually contains soy, but could not find any evidence of it, except that I couldn't tolerate the ground turkey I bought. I do eat regular turkey daily!

I got some organic ground turkey at Wegmans, but before I tried it I wrote to the company. I just got a reply today.

Dear Linda,

Thank you for your e-mail inquiry about the Rosemary extract in our ground turkey. I apologize for the delay in getting an answer for you. The supplier of the Rosemary extract indicated that a soybean oil extract is used in the manufacturing of the Rosemary extract. If you have further questions, please let me know.


Sincerely,


Michelle Berry
Consumer Services Specialist












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[dfpowell]

Wow, Thanks for posting!!

[ldubois7]

Donna,

I'm not happy about this.....

I also just got Castiles liquid soap to make foaming hand soap etc.....because it's natural! The last ingredient is tocopherol.....so I looked it up, and they use non GMO sunflower and SOYBEAN oil!!
Now, do I try it because you only use 2 TB per 16 oz of water....small amount....hmmmmmmm!

It's always something!

[Gabes-Apg]

Soy is evil! it is everywhere!!! gggrrrr

thanks for the info re the Turkey - maybe that explains why I have not tolerated any of the turkey products in supermarkets here in Aus.

There are some great coconut body products (soy free) on the market. I am noticing more and more 'Soy free' products
the one that I just purchased looks to be aussie only, I checked amazon, iherb, puritans pride to see if they stocked it no luck.

I have spent hours online researching products and their ingredients to find safe products.

[bevfromwa]

this certainly got my attention! Maybe explains why when I make a turkey loaf with Jennie-0 ground turkey, it doesn't seem to bother me the 1st time, but if I eat it the next day I feel like I'm getting a reaction.

Of course it has "natural flavors", rosemary extract. So with this info in hand, I called them and they said it uses refined soybean oil in the process, just like you found out. But they claim that since the soybean oil is refined it shouldn't be a problem.

Why don't I believe this??? I note that Honeysuckle frozen turkey breast has rosemary extract also, assume it's the same process.

I haven't checked Foster Farms ground turkey, but hesitate to even look at it as many people as they've sickened. Maybe Costco has some organic that's different.

I'd appreciate a comment on the truth of "refined soybean oil isn't a problem"

thanks, Beverly

Thanks, Beverly

[Gabes-Apg]

Beverly
not sure if it is the same in the USA as Australia, but quite a few products have made claims that they 'does not contain any soy allergens' ie the product is derived from soy but touted as not containing enough soy protein to cause an issue

(here is an article discussing this) http://farrp.unl.edu/soy-lecithin

my experience thus far is - i do react.

[bevfromwa]

thanks, Gabes, I think I'm reacting as well. Maybe not the first time, but definitely see something going on if I eat it 2 days in a row. Interesting article.

Thanks again, Beverly

[tex]

Beverly,

This is one of several examples of where the "experts" are wrong, as described in the book Microscopic Colitis.

From pages 99–100

What about soy?
Soy doesn’t really have anything going for it either, except for the ad campaigns that promote it as a wonder food. Soybeans are loaded with what are called antinutrients (natural toxins) and up until just a few decades ago, soybeans were considered to be unsuitable for human food. For example, soybeans contain powerful enzyme inhibitors that prevent trypsin and other digestive enzymes from being able to properly digest protein, which can lead to reduced amino acid uptake. These inhibitors are large, tightly folded proteins that are not completely deactivated by ordinary cooking methods. They can produce serious gastric distress, reduced protein digestion, and chronic deficiencies in amino acid uptake.

When tested on certain lab animals, diets high in trypsin inhibitors have been shown to cause enlargement and pathological changes to the pancreas, including cancer. Soy appears to be connected with so many health issues that its few potential benefits seem grossly overshadowed by a huge list of serious health risks that have been documented to be associated with it.7

And unfortunately, various derivatives of soy are widely used in many processed foods, so it’s not an easy item to avoid. For example, soy lecithin is widely used as an emulsifier, and most people who react to soy also react to soy lecithin. Soy oil is another very common food ingredient that typically causes reactions for most people who are sensitive to soy, and soy oil is even commonly found in vitamins and various other pharmaceutical products as well as in processed foods. Soy is not our friend — certainly not if we are sensitive to it.

From page 147:

We have to remember that if we are sensitive to soy, then we’re probably also sensitive to all legumes, at least until after we've been in remission for a year or so, and our intestines have had enough time to do some significant healing. Those of us with MC who are sensitive to soy, also have to avoid all foods and vitamin supplements that contain soy lecithin, contrary to the claims of most experts, because virtually all of us who test sensitive to soy, also react to soy lecithin. Unfortunately, soy lecithin can be found in a lot of otherwise good products. Anyone sensitive to soy should also avoid all vegetable oils that contain soy, because contrary to what most experts claim, as discussed in chapter 7, those of us with MC who are sensitive to soy, will typically react to soy oil, as well.

Here is reference 7 from the first quote:

7. Mercola, J. (2010, September 18). This "miracle health food" has been linked to brain damage and breast cancer. [Web log message]. Retrieved from http://articles.mercola.com/sites/artic ... ealth.aspx

Tex

[bevfromwa]

Hi, Tex, and thanks so much for taking the time to give me the excerpts from your book. Too bad we don't have an emoticon showing hitting oneself on the forehead with a hand! I have your book, have read it twice, but guess it's time to make it thrice.

I haven't even been on our site for a while, husband Dave had a stroke May 15 and is in rehab now. Lucky no physical damage, was on L hemisphere so speech is a problem. I'm learning how to be a speech therapist by watching his and participating, asking lots of questions, doing research etc. He's coming along pretty well, but my getting a Calvin and Hobbs book for him to try to read had a bit of a problem with "transmogrify". A bit too much. Anyway, got OL last night and was able to participate in a couple of threads, felt good to be back with the group.

thanks again, Beverly

[tex]

Beverly,

Best of luck with the therapy. I had a couple of TIAs before you joined the board. The doctors never were able to pinpoint a reason, but looking back, I have a hunch that my chronic magnesium deficiency played a part in them. I finally was able to verify and resolve my magnesium deficiency about a year ago when an antibiotic treatment depleted what was left of my meager magnesium reserves.

You're most welcome,
Tex

[Rosie]

That explains why I wasn't able to tolerate Applegate Farms products. The ingredients all seemed fine with my sensitivities, but they gave me bad gas and loosies. I checked, and all of their uncured deli products contain rosemary extract. And most of their cured products don't contain rosemary extract, but do have paprika extract, and I wonder if that is extracted with soy oil too.........

Even though I have been doing well for several years, I keep checking back on the Forum, because I keep learning useful information like this!

Rosie

[LydiaS]

Do you think that, if a person is allergic/sensitive to legumes like lentils (of all kinds) that that means that they are also allergic/sensitive to soy? In other words, does the equation go in the reverse direction, too?

And one more question: is it safe for those with soy allergies/sensitivities to eat meat products (chicken, turkey, etc.) of animals fed soy meal? I know from this forum that eggs from soy-fed chickens are out. But what about the chicken meat?

Thanks.

[tex]

Hi Lydia,

Yes, in many/most cases someone sensitive to legumes will also be sensitive to soy. I originally tested negative to soy sensitivity at EnteroLab. A few years later (even though I had recovered long before then) I had an unusual reaction to peanuts (ileus). Of course peanuts are a legume, so I repeated the soy test and this time the result was positive (to soy sensitivity).

Regarding "secondary glutenization", yes, this issue may not affect everyone, but it certainly seems to affect some individuals. Please read the article at the following link. Dogtor J is a British veterinarian who specializes in food sensitivities of pets (I believe his name is John B Symes, D.V.M). He's one of the pioneers in this area with over 40 years of experience.

“Secondary Glutenization”

Vets were routinely treating dogs and cats for food sensitivities long before human doctors were even aware of the issue.

Tex

[LydiaS]

Thanks, Wayne I appreciate having that information.

I do wonder if "pastured" means no soy, gluten, corn though. Can't the animals be fed these things while also being allowed to roam around. I would imagine we have to call the farm where we plan to buy our meat from.

You inspired me to look up "organic farmed salmon". Well, it seems that this isn't that safe either. What a pity. It tastes so much better than the wild salmon, which, as far as I am concerned requires a lot of added fat to taste good, and husband cannot tolerate much fat, given that he is in the beginning of his healing.

Lydia

[tex]

You'e right — you need to be familiar with the farm or ranch operation where that meat originated, because many operations provide supplemental feed, and supplemental feeding becomes essential during periods of drought, and often during the winter. Farmers Markets should be good places to ask about that information.

Tex