I started Remag 2 weeks ago, and want to share my experience. I had been very fatigued the last year or so, but since day 2 on it, the fatigue has been reduced SO much! I have some energy back, which has been wonderful. The first day I was nauseous, but luckily that passed. I started at 1/8 tsp, and am now up to 1 tsp/daily (=300mg). I do feel a bit speedy on it, and am going to leave the dose as is for awhile, and consider an increase later, as recommended. Directions say for people that are deficient, recommended dose is 2tsp/day, and 1tsp is for maintenance. I do use magnesium oil topically, in addition. ReMag has not had any effect, negative or positive, on my gut.
I had been taking magnesium glycinate all along, but was obviously not absorbing much. I wonder how much of any vitamins and minerals that I absorb. I am going to add in ReMyte minerals, and will hopefully have good results to report with that.
Regarding Vit D, Dr. Dean recommends much lower Vit D doses than most of us probably take. She recommends a max of 2000IU/day, to avoid depleting magnesium. I have been taking about 5k/daily. It took me a while to get my Vit D level up, and am very hesitant to drop it, but want to have the right balance. Thoughts on D supplementation?
Lisa
Remag experience + Vit D concern
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Hi Lisa,
Here's my take on the issue:
Calcium in the blood depletes both magnesium and vitamin D. So naturally, if either magnesium or vitamin D is at a level that is insufficient to keep up with demand, then it will soon become depleted (deficient). But it's not that simple. Here's what actually happens:
Vitamin D is necessary in order to absorb calcium into the bloodstream. Without an adequate level of vitamin D, calcium cannot be absorbed from the intestine and osteoporosis will slowly develop. But once calcium is in the bloodstream, magnesium is necessary in order to allow the calcium to be transported to the organs or tissues (or bones) where it is needed and this allows calcium to be removed from the blood. Magnesium does this by teaming up with insulin. But again, without sufficient magnesium, calcium cannot be transported to bones where it can be used to form new bone tissue. Excess amounts of calcium (when there is more in circulation than the body can use at any given time) in the blood are also removed by magnesium and purged in urine or stool. In fact, no nutrients can be transported to where they can be used without a sufficient supply of both insulin and magnesium. But calcium is a separate matter, because calcium is an electrolyte and too much calcium in the blood can lead to serious cardiovascular problems. So excess amounts have to be removed in a timely manner, and magnesium is needed for this job.
So yes, one could say that too much vitamin D can deplete magnesium because if the vitamin D did not facilitate the absorption of calcium in the first place, magnesium would not need to be expended in order to remove the calcium. But a more accurate way of looking at this is to recognize that excess amounts of calcium are the real problem. Properly regulating calcium intake prevents vitamin D and magnesium depletion issues. Not taking an adequate amount of vitamin D in order to preserve magnesium is akin to burning down the barn in order to get rid of the rats. Vitamin D is essential for a healthy immune system, so if any one of these 3 items should be limited, the obvious choice should be calcium. Usually, avoiding calcium supplements is sufficient to prevent problems, because virtually everyone has more than enough calcium in their diet in the first place, even people on a very restricted diet, such as MC patients.
That said, it could be argued that vitamin D blood levels in excess of about 70 ng/mL appear to be excessive unless the patient is relying on their immune system to fight cancer or a serious infection. Roughly 70 mg/mL appears to be adequate to prevent most AI diseases. But if I found myself in a situation where I was fighting cancer, for example, I would probably try to boost my vitamin D level to well over 100 ng/mL (but less than 150 ng/mL) in order to optimize the ability of my immune system to fight the cancer.
IOW, if one is going to limit vitamin D supplementation, it should done on the basis of actual vitamin D blood test results, it definitely should not be based on some arbitrary dosage rate.
I hope I haven't just confused the issue.
Tex
Here's my take on the issue:
Calcium in the blood depletes both magnesium and vitamin D. So naturally, if either magnesium or vitamin D is at a level that is insufficient to keep up with demand, then it will soon become depleted (deficient). But it's not that simple. Here's what actually happens:
Vitamin D is necessary in order to absorb calcium into the bloodstream. Without an adequate level of vitamin D, calcium cannot be absorbed from the intestine and osteoporosis will slowly develop. But once calcium is in the bloodstream, magnesium is necessary in order to allow the calcium to be transported to the organs or tissues (or bones) where it is needed and this allows calcium to be removed from the blood. Magnesium does this by teaming up with insulin. But again, without sufficient magnesium, calcium cannot be transported to bones where it can be used to form new bone tissue. Excess amounts of calcium (when there is more in circulation than the body can use at any given time) in the blood are also removed by magnesium and purged in urine or stool. In fact, no nutrients can be transported to where they can be used without a sufficient supply of both insulin and magnesium. But calcium is a separate matter, because calcium is an electrolyte and too much calcium in the blood can lead to serious cardiovascular problems. So excess amounts have to be removed in a timely manner, and magnesium is needed for this job.
So yes, one could say that too much vitamin D can deplete magnesium because if the vitamin D did not facilitate the absorption of calcium in the first place, magnesium would not need to be expended in order to remove the calcium. But a more accurate way of looking at this is to recognize that excess amounts of calcium are the real problem. Properly regulating calcium intake prevents vitamin D and magnesium depletion issues. Not taking an adequate amount of vitamin D in order to preserve magnesium is akin to burning down the barn in order to get rid of the rats. Vitamin D is essential for a healthy immune system, so if any one of these 3 items should be limited, the obvious choice should be calcium. Usually, avoiding calcium supplements is sufficient to prevent problems, because virtually everyone has more than enough calcium in their diet in the first place, even people on a very restricted diet, such as MC patients.
That said, it could be argued that vitamin D blood levels in excess of about 70 ng/mL appear to be excessive unless the patient is relying on their immune system to fight cancer or a serious infection. Roughly 70 mg/mL appears to be adequate to prevent most AI diseases. But if I found myself in a situation where I was fighting cancer, for example, I would probably try to boost my vitamin D level to well over 100 ng/mL (but less than 150 ng/mL) in order to optimize the ability of my immune system to fight the cancer.
IOW, if one is going to limit vitamin D supplementation, it should done on the basis of actual vitamin D blood test results, it definitely should not be based on some arbitrary dosage rate.
I hope I haven't just confused the issue.
Tex
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totally agree.... how much each person uses, where they live, and how much time they spend in the sun is such a wide variable...IOW, if one is going to limit vitamin D supplementation, it should done on the basis of actual vitamin D blood test results, it definitely should not be based on some arbitrary dosage rate.
of note, i was able to reduce my Vit D3 supplementation intake amount quite a bit once i resolved magnesium deficiency.
Gabes Ryan
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Beautifully said Tex....
My Step dad has just started to go thru a Lymph/Bone cancer treatment and he needed to hear this specific comment in regards to the importance of the Trio you described.
He hasn't been told his D levels yet...and I told him that should have been the first thing his Dr filled him in on...his RBC Mag was 2.0 and all the other tests were on the higher end...but we all know any treatment will start to bring those numbers down at some point.
I have shared your comment and I hope he pays attention to it.
Love
Erica
My Step dad has just started to go thru a Lymph/Bone cancer treatment and he needed to hear this specific comment in regards to the importance of the Trio you described.
He hasn't been told his D levels yet...and I told him that should have been the first thing his Dr filled him in on...his RBC Mag was 2.0 and all the other tests were on the higher end...but we all know any treatment will start to bring those numbers down at some point.
I have shared your comment and I hope he pays attention to it.
Love
Erica
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Hey Lesley!
Good to see you still working at it. I know you have issues with water intake, etc. Are you putting the 1/4 teaspoon in your alotted amount of drinking water for the day? Some of us are so toxic that it may be too soon for that much. I know you were starting with drops on the skin? I would go back down to the dose you were not having these issues for a little while longer.
This potent form of mag is a detoxifier and can bring issues to the surface....getting rid of heavy metals, Candida, and meds can all affect how you are feeling. You are a delicate flower
so just go pretty slow. Have your sodium and weight been holding steady?
Good to see you still working at it. I know you have issues with water intake, etc. Are you putting the 1/4 teaspoon in your alotted amount of drinking water for the day? Some of us are so toxic that it may be too soon for that much. I know you were starting with drops on the skin? I would go back down to the dose you were not having these issues for a little while longer.
This potent form of mag is a detoxifier and can bring issues to the surface....getting rid of heavy metals, Candida, and meds can all affect how you are feeling. You are a delicate flower
so just go pretty slow. Have your sodium and weight been holding steady?Vanessa
Not sure about my sodium. I would have to do blood tests. I have been awfully tired lately, but that could be any number of things, not just sodium.
The doc told me to do 1/4 of a teasp, never mentioned putting it on my skin. I can go backwards. If I put it into my water I can't drink the water because the taste makes me SO nauseous.
I am a tender little flower. Old and droopy, but tender.
The doc told me to do 1/4 of a teasp, never mentioned putting it on my skin. I can go backwards. If I put it into my water I can't drink the water because the taste makes me SO nauseous.
I am a tender little flower. Old and droopy, but tender.
I too had issues with the remag and was only using very little in water. After 3 days I was experiencing gut pain and not liking my over all feeling. I think I am just too sensitive to the extreme effects. I had to "hang it up" and have put it aside for future use. I thought I would next try the topical use, but have been okay with just the normal cheap topical oil so I haven't gone that direction yet. I have always been one to need less of everything to get what I was looking for ( like 1 aspirin always worked better than 2).
I know many here have had great success with remag, but I can't agree yet. I guess we are all different in how we respond. Good luck Lesley! I hope you figure this out so that you feel good.
Laura
I know many here have had great success with remag, but I can't agree yet. I guess we are all different in how we respond. Good luck Lesley! I hope you figure this out so that you feel good.
Laura
I have been packing, getting ready to get out of my apartment (no choice) but not moving anywhere yet so under a LOT of stress. Got to throw out so much stuff.
I have not been good with supplements lately. Overwhelmed. 2 nights ago I was woken with awful cramping in my left thigh, weird sensations, totally new to me. I sprayed liquid mag on it, and took a pill. Gone by the next morning. It's amazing.
I am going to be in Israel for the next 5 months, and have NO idea what they have there in the way of supplements. I'll figure it out somehow.
I have not been good with supplements lately. Overwhelmed. 2 nights ago I was woken with awful cramping in my left thigh, weird sensations, totally new to me. I sprayed liquid mag on it, and took a pill. Gone by the next morning. It's amazing.
I am going to be in Israel for the next 5 months, and have NO idea what they have there in the way of supplements. I'll figure it out somehow.
Lesley,
I'll bet they have a good selection of safe supplements in Israel.
Stress depletes magnesium, so please remember to take a magnesium supplement regularly.
I hope your trip goes smoothly.
Tex
I'll bet they have a good selection of safe supplements in Israel.
Stress depletes magnesium, so please remember to take a magnesium supplement regularly.
I hope your trip goes smoothly.
Tex
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a quick google search confirmed that there are companies that ship vitamins to Israel
https://www.evitamins.com/il/shipping-v ... -to-israel
maybe ask your family to make enquiries at the local pharmacy/health food store etc
otherwise - with your son in the USA and me here in Aus, we can post things to you
we can find a way..
https://www.evitamins.com/il/shipping-v ... -to-israel
maybe ask your family to make enquiries at the local pharmacy/health food store etc
otherwise - with your son in the USA and me here in Aus, we can post things to you
we can find a way..
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama