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My mom was just dx with osteopenia and is supposed to take 500 mg/3x day along with Vit D. She is currently taking 600 mg/day and asking me what to do after I shared this article with her. What is the best way to figure out what to take? I know her doctor most likely won't approve of discontinuing the calcium.
Osteopenia
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Osteopenia
Deb
"Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead, where there is no path, and leave a trail.
-Ralph Waldo Emerson
2007 CC
2013 thyroid cancer- total thyroidectomy
2013 Hashimoto's - numbers always "normal"
2017 Lyme's Disease
"Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead, where there is no path, and leave a trail.
-Ralph Waldo Emerson
2007 CC
2013 thyroid cancer- total thyroidectomy
2013 Hashimoto's - numbers always "normal"
2017 Lyme's Disease
Hi Deb,
Is she getting calcium through foods also? Broccoli? cheese? Milk? Almond Milk etc. If she adds up the calcium in the foods she is eating she might be okay with what she is currently taking.
The K2 that is referenced in the article is also important. There are two types--K2-MK4 and K2-MK7. Honestly I don't totally understand the difference between the two.
Is she getting calcium through foods also? Broccoli? cheese? Milk? Almond Milk etc. If she adds up the calcium in the foods she is eating she might be okay with what she is currently taking.
The K2 that is referenced in the article is also important. There are two types--K2-MK4 and K2-MK7. Honestly I don't totally understand the difference between the two.
Deb,
It's not clear what supplements you are referring to. If you're saying that the recommended treatment is 1500 mg per day of calcium, I say it's time for the doctor who prescribed that to retire. Is she currently taking 600 mg of calcium? . . . or something else.
I agree with Brandy — there's almost surely plenty of calcium in her diet. Throwing more calcium at osteopenia/osteoporosis is not likely to help anything and in fact it's more likely to be detrimental to her long-term health. She just needs adequate magnesium and vitamin D so that she can properly utilize it. I'm not an MD, but if I were in that situation (which I will never be, because I take plenty of magnesium and vitamin D), I would take approximately 400 mg of magnesium (not magnesium oxide), 5,000 IU of vitamin D, and no calcium. If my diet contained virtually no calcium, I would take 400 mg of calcium (to match the 400 mg of magnesium). She can take more magnesium, especially if she's above average in body size, as long as it doesn't cause D. But as Brandy pointed out, a heck of a lot of foods are loaded with calcium these days.
If she insists on taking calcium, it probably won't hurt her, as long as she takes an equivalent amount of magnesium (and plenty of vitamin D). But the problem with that plan is that high doses of magnesium can cause D, and high doses of calcium (without adequate magnesium) will cause atherosclerotic plaque and calcification of arteries, and increase the risk of heart attack.
I don't understand why so many doctors continue to prescribe archaic treatments reminiscent of the dark ages, despite the availability of compelling published research to the contrary.
Tex
It's not clear what supplements you are referring to. If you're saying that the recommended treatment is 1500 mg per day of calcium, I say it's time for the doctor who prescribed that to retire. Is she currently taking 600 mg of calcium? . . . or something else.
I agree with Brandy — there's almost surely plenty of calcium in her diet. Throwing more calcium at osteopenia/osteoporosis is not likely to help anything and in fact it's more likely to be detrimental to her long-term health. She just needs adequate magnesium and vitamin D so that she can properly utilize it. I'm not an MD, but if I were in that situation (which I will never be, because I take plenty of magnesium and vitamin D), I would take approximately 400 mg of magnesium (not magnesium oxide), 5,000 IU of vitamin D, and no calcium. If my diet contained virtually no calcium, I would take 400 mg of calcium (to match the 400 mg of magnesium). She can take more magnesium, especially if she's above average in body size, as long as it doesn't cause D. But as Brandy pointed out, a heck of a lot of foods are loaded with calcium these days.
If she insists on taking calcium, it probably won't hurt her, as long as she takes an equivalent amount of magnesium (and plenty of vitamin D). But the problem with that plan is that high doses of magnesium can cause D, and high doses of calcium (without adequate magnesium) will cause atherosclerotic plaque and calcification of arteries, and increase the risk of heart attack.
I don't understand why so many doctors continue to prescribe archaic treatments reminiscent of the dark ages, despite the availability of compelling published research to the contrary.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Sorry, I wasn't clear on that.... the article mentioned vit C, K2 and magnesium. She already takes 2000IU of Vit D. I take Doctor's Best Magnesium glycinate/lysinate 200mg tablets- 2/day (recommended here) and could easily start ordering some for her. She eats yogurt everyday and has a healthy diet however she is just like me as far as D issues but she will not eliminate any of the major offenders. She is restricted to sticking near the toilet so I'm sure there are absorption issues too.
She is currently taking to 600mg of calcium and the doctor did tell her to up it to 500mg/3x day. Sadly, he is a relatively new doc. At first, she mentioned a yearly shot but now that's not part of the plan. I know I scared her by sharing the article and want to be sure I give her sound advice because her doctor won't be happy.
She is currently taking to 600mg of calcium and the doctor did tell her to up it to 500mg/3x day. Sadly, he is a relatively new doc. At first, she mentioned a yearly shot but now that's not part of the plan. I know I scared her by sharing the article and want to be sure I give her sound advice because her doctor won't be happy.
Deb
"Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead, where there is no path, and leave a trail.
-Ralph Waldo Emerson
2007 CC
2013 thyroid cancer- total thyroidectomy
2013 Hashimoto's - numbers always "normal"
2017 Lyme's Disease
"Do not follow where the path may lead. Go instead, where there is no path, and leave a trail.
-Ralph Waldo Emerson
2007 CC
2013 thyroid cancer- total thyroidectomy
2013 Hashimoto's - numbers always "normal"
2017 Lyme's Disease
Deb, women over 50 are recommended to get 1000-1200 mg calcium per day through diet, and if she needs to supplement, take a supp for difference. Without dairy, I get 700-800mg/day and do not supplement. I do have a cup of fortified coconut milk in a smoothie, which is like a supplement, but rest comes mostly from veggies and some nuts. As Tex said, the critical bone supplements are D, magnesium, and K2. There are 2 types of K2, known as MK-4 and MK-7. There are differing opinions on which one is better, but get her on one. If MK-7, a daily dose recommended on some osteo sites is 100mcg, and if MK-4, about 5000mcg. I take MK-7. There is an osteoporosis board with some good info, on the website, www.inspire.com.
Lisa
Lisa