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Need input on supplements

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I'd like some input/advice on a supplement that I've heard of recently, called Micro Daily. A friend who had a brain tumor has been taking this, and says it has helped her a lot with her balance, and generally feeling well. Another friend with RA says it has decreased her pain level.

I have been gluten, dairy, soy and legume free for 7 years now, and my MC is well controlled with the diet. However, with MC, and the lingering effects of radiation for breast cancer, I am still dealing with some fatigue and lack of concentration. It's much better than it was when I finished radiation, but I'd still like to get energy and concentration back. But I don't want to cause any new problems with MC.

So... could some of you read over the ingredients of this Micro Daily supplement, and see if there is anything in it that is likely to set off an MC flare? I am thinking mostly of the 75 mg per serving of magnesium citrate. This would work out to 150 mg of magnesium citrate per day, since you take 1 serving (2 pills) in the morning and 1 serving at night. I would take the capsules, and the ingredients are listed on the right side of the web page I'm linking to, if you scroll down the page. I currently use topical magnesium.

https://www.engage-global.com/micro-daily/

Gabes, Tex, Polly, anyone?

Thanks for your help,
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Martha,

Natural forms of vitamin E supplements (made from soy) are usually listed on the label as some compound based on d-tocopherol (such as d-alpha-tocopherol acetate or d-alpha-tocopherol succinate, or it's listed as just plain d-alpha-tocopherol). About 99 % of the vitamin E supplements use synthetic alpha-tocopherol, designated as dl-alpha-tocopherol. But research shows that most synthetic vitamin E supplements are very poorly absorbed (synthetic forms of vitamin E are only about half as effective as natural forms of vitamin E), so most health advocates recommend using "natural" vitamin E supplements. Natural usually means derived from soy. This is a case where "healthier" recommendations work against most MC patients.

So anytime natural forms of vitamin E are used (d-tocopherol), unless the source of the ingredient is specified otherwise, it's usually safest and most accurate to assume that the source of the vitamin E is soy. When the type of vitamin E is listed on the label as dl-alpha-tocopherol, or as synthetic vitamin E, then it does not contain any soy derivatives.

There's always a chance that it won't bother you. But if you don't want to take that chance, why not use Thorne Research's Methyl-Guard pr Methyl-Guard Plus (twice the strength of the regular version). Many of us take this. If the benefits from the Micro Daily supplement are mainly the resolution of brain fog (improved cognizance, memory, etc.) and increased energy, that's coming mainly from the folic acid, active form of vitamin B-6, and magnesium, anyway. It's not likely that you're going to see much benefit from all those other ingredients. The Methyl-Guard Plus will supply most or all of the benefits, without the soy risk.

That's my 2 cents worth.

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agree with Tex's comments above

the Methyl Guard Plus coupled with things like topical magnesium, good intake of food based Vit C will help the body recover from radiation etc.
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Thank you, Tex and Gabes.

Do you recommend just taking one tablet of Methyl Guard Plus to start with?

Do you know of any reactions with anti-depressants? I am on a low dose of Effexor since having to go off hormone replacement therapy.

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Martha,

I take one capsule per day of Methyl Gard Plus. These are pretty substancial doses. I've never taken more of either it or Metanx.

According to the cross-reactivity charts, effexor only reacts with phencyclidine (PCP, aka angel dust). I see no reason why it would react with Methyl-Guard or Methyl-Guard Plus.

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I am taking the Thorne B-Complex #12. Should I switch to the Methyl Guard Plus? The #12 doses are a bit lower and it contains Adenosylcobalamin which is missing in the Methyl Guard. Any reason why we should take the Methyl Guard plus over the #12 or the normal Methyl Guard? Maybe because of the Choline Citrate in #12?
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Methyl-Guard Plus treats methylation issues such as peripheral neuropathy and endothelial dysfunction.

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But it lacks adenosylcobalamin which helps treating brain fog.
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Methyl-Guard Plus resolves brain fog. I'm not sure that the addition of adenosylcobalamin has any verified benefits. Adenosylcobalamin is just another active form of vitamin B-12. It's a mitochondrial form of B12. You will find it mentioned on the sites selling supplements, but not so much in the published medical literature. By contrast, you can find plenty of medical research verifying the benefits of methyltetrahydrofolate, pyridoxal 5'-phosphate, and methylcobalamin.

And this has been found to be true by many of the members here who use or have used Methyl-Guard or Methyl-Guard Plus. It works. If you have good reason to believe that you are short of adenosylcobalamin, then I suppose it might be benefical to take it, but so far, most of us have had good results without it. :shrug:

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I am just asking because the Thorne b12 contains everything that is in the methyl guard and then some extra like adenosylcobalamin (adb12) which is recommended according to some methylation protocols you can find online.
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I understand your point and it shouldn't hurt anything to take it, as far as I'm aware. Generally speaking, with MC, the more ingredients in a product, the higher the risk of reacting and the higher the risk of sometimes creating problems that may be difficult to track down, so we usually try to take as little as possible to get the results we want. Methylation in general is so poorly understood that we are all mostly guessing, anyway. Your guess is as good as mine, maybe better. :lol:

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