Results of Dr. Fine's 8 year study

Alice · Post by **Alice** » Tue May 16, 2006 7:24 am

Hi everyone,

You can find the slide show of Dr. Fine's 8-year study at www.enterolab.com

Click on "research and education" in the left column.

I think this is a brand new slide show, but not positive.

Alice

barbaranoela · Post by **barbaranoela** » Tue May 16, 2006 7:52 am

Morning Alice----

Thanks for that link.....found it very interesting---
Whats been doing in your life Alice----

Busy as usual? and hows Bruce---all well I hope

We are just about finished with doctoring---I HOPE!!!

Catch U soon----
lottsa luve, BUBBS

Polly · Post by **Polly** » Tue May 16, 2006 9:04 am

Thanks, Alice!

Always good to "see" you here! You are my "oldest" MC buddy - not age wise - LOL! But you were the first to find me after my diagnosis when I was surfing websites and totally confused and desperate about what to do. In fact, I would probably still be sick today if not for you. So, once again, thanks, dear friend. You are every bit as much a healer as one with professional training!

With love, gratitude, and admiration,

Polly

Tessa · Post by **Tessa** » Tue May 16, 2006 9:59 am

Thanks for the link, Alice

Most interesting,

Love,
Tessa

celia · Post by **celia** » Tue May 16, 2006 10:14 am

Thanks Alice! I tried to check this out but the link on the enterolab site was not working...at least for the moment. I will check back again later or tomorrow. Celia

Peggy · Post by **Peggy** » Tue May 16, 2006 10:17 am

Yes, thank you Alice.

I was suprised to see:
Bismuth subsalicylate tablets 3 tid for 8 weeks
on slide 43 of 44. I thought he nixed that idea?

Peg

ps tid is latin for three times a day

harvest_table · Post by **harvest_table** » Tue May 16, 2006 12:34 pm

Hey there,

Does anyone know when and where Dr. Fine plans to publish? Thanks for the link Alice.

Love,
Joanna

celia · Post by **celia** » Tue May 16, 2006 1:50 pm

I just keep getting a message that the page doesn't exist. Aargh! Let me know if you have a clue of what I might be doing wrong! Celia

Alice · Post by **Alice** » Tue May 16, 2006 3:46 pm

Celia,

I don't know what's wrong. I think there may be another link to his site in our Links room. You could try that. I'm not very computer savvy.

Alice

harvest_table · Post by **harvest_table** » Tue May 16, 2006 4:23 pm

Try this Celia

http://www.enterolab.com/StaticPages/Fr ... ources.htm

Lucy · Post by **Lucy** » Wed May 17, 2006 1:43 am

Hi there,

In March, someone told me that they were wanting to get published in "New England Journal of Medicine" (I can't underline on this thing!). This takes a little longer than some of the regular Gastro journals, but I think the research is considered significant enough that they want it somewhere with a bit more prestige, like N Engl J.

Check out Dr. Fine's CV online, and you'll see that he has a number of publications already in N Engl J. Publication is NOT a speady process. I know because when I was at NASA, we published in "Journal of Aerospace Medicine," which had rather stringent standards, and as I recall, from submission to publication, it was always a long wait.

However, I'm as anxious as you are, although I heard the actual presentation of the results by Dr. Fine at the conference in Dallas last March -- same one where he used these slides. I was thinking that he was just giving the history of treatment, etc., when he mentioned the pepto treatment.

Yours, Luce

Tessa · Post by **Tessa** » Wed May 17, 2006 11:05 am

Hi, Lucy

Do you know how we can know when the findings are published by the New England Journal of Medicine?

Love,
Tessa

celia · Post by **celia** » Wed May 17, 2006 11:20 am

Thanks Joanna. I still get the message that the page is not found. Maybe being on a mac is the problem or the browser I am using. I'll see if my husband has any ideas or if he can access it.

Hugs, Celia

Post by **tex** » Wed May 17, 2006 11:53 am

Celia,

To clarify the description of your problem. Do you get that "Page not found" message when you click on the link that Joanna provided, or when you click on the links provided on the "Resources" page at the Enterolab site?

I'm using Mozilla, and the "Resource" page at the Enterolab site loads just fine, but when I click on the second link on that page, (for the "Slide Lecture"), I get a "Page not found" error. The first link works just fine, but it is about a lecture that he made in 2003.

I have had navagational problems on their site ever since they recently revised it, and I'm sure that it's due to the browser that I am using. The old site worked just fine with Mozilla.

Well, actually, the problem is due to the fact that their webmaster obvioiusly has not designed the site to work properly with all the popular browsers. Hopefully she/he will eventually recognize the problem and figure out how to correct it. I mentioned the problem to them a couple of months ago, when I tried to send them an email from their "Contact us" option. The message window would not even open up enough to where I could compose a message to them.

Tex

Lucy · Post by **Lucy** » Wed May 17, 2006 9:42 pm

I can't open that second one either, but I know I was able to see those slides on line not too terribly long after that conference, so they must've changed something since then. However, I did have some letters sort of superimposed -- one line of each slide. Wonder what THAT was all about?!! I've seen that before on other websites. At first I thought it was a way of making sure that their whole presentation wasn't "borrowed" by someone in it's entirity, but perhaps it was some electrical phenomenon or something.

Tessa, as far as WHEN that article's going to be published and WHERE it eventually gets published, I think that probably there'll be some sort of announcement on his own site, and probably celiac.com will pick it up right away. I'm not a big reader of sites anymore due to time constraints.

I do need to make a call to make a special order for our family's next test, so perhaps I'll remember to ask again, or else I'll try to e-mail a new contact person and see if they know how close they are getting, and which journal looks promising.

If I find out first, I'll let you know. Probably some people on this site do more reading at the celiac sites than I do, and I would think that that topic on Braintalk should come up FAST over there as well, if someone cares to monitor it.

It's a very large study, so it merits publication, that's for sure. Hope it gets the attention it deserves. The Germans recently published a paper with only 20 subjects on a stool test that they just switched over from the blood/serum method, so naturally, there tests aren't very good. Unfortunately, this tiny little study lead some to conclude that stool testing wasn't sensitive enough. This is true using THEIR method.

Of all the biopsy diagnosed celiacs that Dr. Fine tested stool on, 100 percent of them tested positive for anti-gliadin, so it was 100 percent vs the so-called sensitive blood tests (still a marked improvement over what we used to have) which pick up around 95 percent, if I'm not mistaken. Remember, this is END STAGE gut damage, and it STILL misses 5 percent of them. What about the people with LESS damage than that?

Remember, it has been shown that even when pathology cannot detect ANY damage, there can STILL be malabsorption of nutrients from the gut. This is why I think that if either the blood test or stool test is positive, and a person has symptoms, when gluten is removed and they get better, that should be the determining factor as to whether they should be put on a gf diet.

Oh well, off soapbox for now.
Yours, Luce