Mike- You are eating soy !!??

Matthew · Post by **Matthew** » Thu Jan 18, 2007 10:00 pm

Mike -
I noticed in your thread about the probiotic VSL#3 that you are eating soy. If I had known I would have said something about it a long time ago. Many members here have had problems with soy from soy itself, to soy oil, to soy lecithin.

With all your research I am sure that you must realize that it is a legume. Many nutritionists consider legumes to be anti nutrients. Many of us have problems with legumes.

You must have read the threads on lectins. Soy is high in lectins that are also a big problem for many of us.

Even though you have not tested positive for soy IMHO those test are really inconclusive within the context of MC just as many of the test for gluten are.

I would guess that at this point I react far more to soy that I do to gluten.

A post from some time ago. The links are still good with lots of good information.

http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=345

Jean’s list of soy products/ additives.

http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=736

To your continued recovery

Matthew

mle_ii · Post by **mle_ii** » Fri Jan 19, 2007 1:12 pm

Thanks Matthew, if it were up to me I'd eat no soy. And I try to avoid it as much as possible. But I'm finding my wife more and more resisitant to my list of things not to eat. Especially since I'm down to a record low weight. Though I haven't been losing any more for the past few weeks but I haven't gained anything either.

That said, how have folks here been able to convince their significant others that certain foods are bad for them or make them feel bad? What's bizzare is that she's ok with gluten or when I give her lab results that say somethings effecting me, but otherwise it's difficult.

I really appreciate the info thanks for the reminder.

Thanks!
Mike

Polly · Post by **Polly** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 7:34 am

Hi Mike,

I have never been tested for soy, but it is one of my most severe intolerances. Even soy oil gets me - although apparently the protein fraction that causes problems is not supposed to be present in the oil. Go figure.

From all I have read recently, it seems that the initial excitement about soy is waning. It is not proving to be the "wonder food" it was originally thought to be.

Good luck figuring out the problem - let us know the result. Also, tell us more about the weight loss. Do you weigh less than you did in high school? Do you have adequate energy for your workouts? Is your wife upset about the weight loss or is she frustrated about trying to find foods you can eat (very understandable). Nosy me, but this as a real problem for those of us with partners.

Love,

Polly

starfire · Post by **starfire** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 10:50 am

You bet its a problem!!

Joanna, I don't know how you continue to prepare foods you can't have (and used to love) for your family and never eat any. You amaze me!!
Polly, I believe you do that also, don't you? At least, you have foods around for the family that you can't eat.

Do either of you make intolerance free food that the rest of your family will eat? Bill just seems to think that I should continue to feed him as usual and just make special things for myself. He doesn't seem to "get it" at all (and doesn't want to, I don't think).

I guess I just don't have the will-power some of you do.

Just had to let off a bit of steam, I guess.

Love, Shirley

mle_ii · Post by **mle_ii** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 9:47 pm

Polly wrote:Hi Mike,

I have never been tested for soy, but it is one of my most severe intolerances. Even soy oil gets me - although apparently the protein fraction that causes problems is not supposed to be present in the oil. Go figure.

Interesting, both times it was soy oil, so perhaps that wasn't it. ???

From all I have read recently, it seems that the initial excitement about soy is waning. It is not proving to be the "wonder food" it was originally thought to be.

Wonder food... yeah it makes me WONDER why people eat it. :)

Good luck figuring out the problem - let us know the result. Also, tell us more about the weight loss. Do you weigh less than you did in high school? Do you have adequate energy for your workouts? Is your wife upset about the weight loss or is she frustrated about trying to find foods you can eat (very understandable). Nosy me, but this as a real problem for those of us with partners.

Love,

Polly

Yeah, I think I do weigh less than high school. I can remember weighing 150-155 lbs in college when I was involved in the cycle club and races. And right now I weigh about 141 lbs. Well, I haven't been working out lately, but I seem to have energy for everything else. I need to start working out again for sure. I think she's frustrated about both the weight loss and being at a loss as for what to make. Though the things she's pushing me to want to have or even in the case of the soy it's not something that would be that hard to get rid of from my diet.

Thanks,
Mike

bobh · Post by **bobh** » Sat Jan 20, 2007 11:49 pm

mle_ii wrote:... But I'm finding my wife more and more resisitant to my list of things not to eat. Especially since I'm down to a record low weight.

Yep, I've been married 21 years - and you get friction when you try to do "group meals". It's a challenge - but at the end of the day you have to be the gate keeper for what goes into your body. My personal solution is to begin each day creating food for that day, making sure I have something to fall back on - or note what I need to acquire before the end of the day. Gets really monotonous sometimes... But keeps me in control.

Post by **tex** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:10 am

bobh wrote:It's a challenge - but at the end of the day you have to be the gate keeper for what goes into your body.

If that's not a formula for MCers to live by, I don't know what is.

Tex

bobh · Post by **bobh** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 1:39 pm

mle_ii wrote:...Yeah, I think I do weigh less than high school. I can remember weighing 150-155 lbs in college when I was involved in the cycle club and races. And right now I weigh about 141 lbs. Thanks,
Mike

Have you ever done one of those adrenal tests where you collect saliva 4 times throughout a day?

Weight loss is a possible sign of adrenal failure. I lost 15 lbs in 1986, never got it back, same time a fatigue set in after a bad viral illness. Did a lot of research a few weeks ago, did a bunch of labs, just got results back Friday on my adrenals, they are in the final stage of failure. I think it has been that was for decades, but I hadn't done the right test to find the problem.

Marsha (Art-Teacher) caught my attention when she made a comment about Hashimoto's thyroid, I tested for that, have it big time, led to the discovery about adrenals, because treating the 2 has to be done together. If you suspect it, the following site has great info, lab recommendations, and a forum like this one, but focused on thyroid & adrenal issues: http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/
forums: http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/community/

artteacher · Post by **artteacher** » Sun Jan 21, 2007 6:30 pm

Hi Mike,

My husband, luckily for me, was the one who first noticed that I can't eat dairy. He put it together - that ever time I had milk we had a huge fight and I became pretty much unbalanced. Since then, he's had to get off the freeway and find a me a bathroom, pull over on the side of the road, stop at a store and buy me new underwear, etc, TOO many times to doubt any theories about what's causing it. So he's the one that asks the waitress if they're ANY dairy, or wheat in the food we order. If I eat the wrong things he says, "ooo, you're gonna get sick". and tries to talk me out of it. He threatens divorce if I eyeball milk. Keeping a food diary probably helped him realize it was the food, because it's plain to see if you have a chart.

Just one more thing, on a different topic . . I recently had my thyroid checked, and I was probably eating too much soy, and broccoli, and cabbage. All those things interfere with your thyroid. I've cut back, and I feel better. How much of that is due to increasing the thyroid medicine, and how much due to avoiding thyroid inhibiting foods I don't know, but anyone who takes thyroid medicine, or has symptoms of low thyroid, should know that foods like soy can contribute to the problem.

So, would a food diary help? Love, Marsha