Observations On My Experiment Eating Oats

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Observations On My Experiment Eating Oats

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Hi All,

Okay, I think I have completed my oats trial. I have been doing this for 40 days, now, eating it twice a week, on Tuesdays, and Saturdays. To be honest, I haven't seen any really worrisome symptoms, but I've seen enough evidence that I have decided to discontinue eating oats, and pronounce it a lost cause.

I probably should have eaten them more often, because basically I was on a three day rotation diet, (three to four day interval), which greatly diminishes the odds of any antibody buildup. My thoughts on this were that doing it this way, I was less likely to get sick as a dog, and yet, if I am sensitive to oat gluten, there should be a slow accumulation of damage to my small intestine, (at least that's the way that wheat gluten affects me), so that symptoms would eventually be noticeable.

Sure enough, the first few times, I didn't notice any effects. After a while, (two or three weeks), I began noticing that I would have some diarrhea afterwards, and a little gas, but nothing else of any significance.

The last few sessions, for example, I would typically have moderately serious D, together with a fair amount of gas, beginning about 4 or 5 hours after eating the oats, but after a couple of hours, it would seem to be almost over. The next day, I always felt fine, except that other than a very slight trace of residual D, now and then, for maybe an additional half a day, I usually wouldn't have another BM for roughly three days, (but then, back in the "good old days", when I was reacting to gluten - after the D stopped, I usually wouldn't have a BM for about the same amount of time, presumably due to C).

The reactions may have been getting slightly stronger each time, but it was not obvious that was the case. It was obvious that the reactions were much more significant at the end of the trial, than they were a few weeks earlier, so I assume that they would probably continue to be more pronounced, if I chose to continue the experiment.

Note that the D usually started about four to five hours after the ingestion of the oats. I say usually, because the last time, (which was yesterday), I emptied the last box, and didn't quite have enough oats for my normal, rather large, bowl full. Since the D didn't start until about six or seven hours after ingesting the oats, that suggests that at least the timing of the reactions may be dose-dependent, to some extent.

Anyway, to get to my point, even though there is a great deal of variability in the transit times of various individuals, it appears that my reactions are originating in my small intestine. I say this because four or hours of elapsed time, allows sufficient for the stomach to completely empty, but it is not enough time for any significant amount of chime to reach the colon. Circumstantial evidence, then , would suggest that the reaction is triggered while the oats is in passing through the small intestine. At least that's the way I see it.

It was interesting, and I'm glad that I didn't get seriously sick, during the test period, but in the end, oats are still on my "avoid" list.

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I really glad you didn't get really sick also. I was sorry to hear that the oats weren't something you can't eat. Sounds like you are VERY sensitive to gluten since the cause was cross contamination - right..........

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No, these are certified to be pure oats, and certified to be free of any wheat gluten.

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Well, that IS disappointing!!

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Wayne,

Thank you for your follow up on the oats trial.
My mother, who lives in Denmark and is diagnosed Celiac (although not a typical celiac?????) tried oats recently. She ate the oats "raw" (not cooked) with tap water added (sounds delicious, right :shock: ).
She claimed while I visited her in September that she felt fine eating oats. However, months later after I returned to the US and talked to her on the phone she had decided not to eat oats anymore because it just didn't work. She is not as scientific about food trials as you are, Wayne, but she may have had a similar experience. It is my opinion that she is an multiply intolerant MCer just like me, perhaps with less intolerances than I - she is in denial about a lot of it. She has been lead to believe that she is Celiac by the Danish Medical Community but as we know a person can easily be intolerant of additional foods if he/she has MC.
BTW, my mother ate oats for breakfast every day - probably a rather large bowl, just like our Wayne.

Isn't it kind of strange that a person can miss "uncooked oats with cold water"???? :roll:

Personally, I miss oatmeal cooked with water - strange????? :oops:

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Wayne, when did you end your trial? Did you have any D on the days following the D you had hours after the last ingested meal?

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Oh and was it just plain oats, or did you add anything? I'm assuming this was your only out of the ordinary meal.
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Hi Karen,

That is interesting that your mother decided that they were not good for her, after all. I agree, I don't think that I could eat them raw, with cold water, although it might not be as bad as we think. I've never tried that, so I have no idea how they would actually taste.

I have eaten dry kernels of corn, raw, because I used to taste a lot of it, to help me judge it's suitability as food corn, and eventually I got to the point where I really liked the flavor of certain food corn varieties. The only thing that kept me from using it as a snack, is the fact that food corn has a very hard pericarp, (outer shell), and it's very hard on the teeth, when it's eaten dry.

Actually, I think that it's possible for celiacs to be intolerant of foods other than gluiten, also, though it's probably not very common. I suspect that most of the asymptomatic cases that don't involve hidden gluten, may be due to other undiscovered food intolerances.

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Wayne

P S I used to love a hot bowl of oatmeal on a cold morning, too.
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Mike,

My last bowl of oats was eaten on Saturday morning. Yes, I had a little D on the following day, (yesterday, Sunday), though it had a somewhat firmer texture than the gassy liquid of the day before, and I had a trace amount last night, but no BM at all today.

I ate the oats, (shaped like Cheerios), with a little sugar, and about a cup of milk. And yes, that was the only meal outside of my usual routine. In case you're suspicious of the milk, and/or sugar, note that for almost a year now, I have been eating GF rice cereal, prepared the same way, and on the same approximate schedule, with no apparent symptoms.

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Post by Matthew »

Wayne

Certainly seems like we should be Poster Children for the grain free diet recommended in the SCD and the Paleo Diet. I was tempted by a bag of GF Oats at the store a month ago but figured why mess with a good thing.

Thanks for renewing my convictions.

As always-

My best-

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Matthew wrote:Wayne

Certainly seems like we should be Poster Children for the grain free diet recommended in the SCD and the Paleo Diet.
This is the case in my experience as well, with grains and MC.

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Hmmm...I used to eat raw handfuls dry when mom was making oatmeal. I never cared for the texture unless in had lots of maple syrup on it. But I did like oatmeal cookies and no-bake cookies. Sigh, the waist line doesn't care for cookies anymore either! I was going to attempt to make some gf chocolate chip cookies last weekend but ran out of time.

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tex wrote:Mike,

My last bowl of oats was eaten on Saturday morning. Yes, I had a little D on the following day, (yesterday, Sunday), though it had a somewhat firmer texture than the gassy liquid of the day before, and I had a trace amount last night, but no BM at all today.

I ate the oats, (shaped like Cheerios), with a little sugar, and about a cup of milk. And yes, that was the only meal outside of my usual routine. In case you're suspicious of the milk, and/or sugar, note that for almost a year now, I have been eating GF rice cereal, prepared the same way, and on the same approximate schedule, with no apparent symptoms.

Wayne
Ah, I forgot that you weren't eating oatmeal but eating a cereal. Have you tried just the plain oats and adding sugar/milk? What was the ingredients in the cereal?
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Hi Mike,

I've thrown the last box away, and the disposal service empties the dumpster on our farm on Mondays, so I thought I didn't have an ingredient list, but then I remembered that it's in my original post about this experiment:

http://www.perskyfarms.com/phpBB2/viewt ... ght=oatios

The ingredients appear to be quite safe. I'm not sure if I can find any oats locally that's certified to be wheat free, (and some of the once popular brands that were claimed to be wheat free, have since been shown to contain gliadins), but I'll see if I can locate some at the HFS. I doubt that the results will be any different, but I'm game to try.

I ate organic corn flakes, (certified to be gluten free and wheat free), this morning, in place of the Oatios, and it is now over 9 hours later, with no sign of any D, or gas. In fact, I've had no BM at all, since the D ended Monday morning, because I'm now in the C part of the cycle that the oats apparently causes.

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Huh, that's strange. I went up to this site:
http://www.usmillsinc.com/usmills/searc ... &x=26&y=20

And they don't list oatios as gluten free. Perhaps the oatios aren't run on gluten free or clean lines.

But it would be interesting to try just plain oats. I listed 2 sources in that other thread that are currently available if you're interested. Sometime I'm going to try, but not right now. I haven't been feeling well lately, but I don't think it's what I eat. Though who really knows for sure.
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