Rick's Hospital stay...not Gluten Free
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Rick's Hospital stay...not Gluten Free
Rick was put in the hospital Monday night with a possible TIA ( mini-stroke). And the good news was that all the testing didn't reveal any risk factors for a stroke, the bad news was that the hosipital didn't seem to have any clue about food intolerances. I had to fight with a nurse because they tried to give him Imodium with milk in it, and then after explaining that he could not have gluten, soy or milk, they brought him two different meals of meat, gravy, potatoes with butter and rolls.... I ended up having to drive an hour round trip, back to our house, to make him a meal that we knew was safe for him. The nurses in the meantime were very nice, and brought him some banana's to snack on, until I could get back....
Every doc we dealt with also had no idea about MC.........just looked at us like a deer in the headlights.....just makes you wonder about the Medical Deities...
Hugs,
C
Every doc we dealt with also had no idea about MC.........just looked at us like a deer in the headlights.....just makes you wonder about the Medical Deities...
Hugs,
C
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Carrie---Lou had 2 TIA's---
The first about 8 years ago---and the clot stopped in his right eye~~~ he was watching TV---and for about 15 minutes his one eye couldnt see anything--
Of curse he ignored it but finally got him to a hospital and they kept him a week and checked everything out--which was OK---that is as far as THEY knew--
The second was 2 years back---again a clot which stopped in the left eye--but this time 911---and off by ambulance to the hospital--
All carotics etc. were clean and clear---and they told him lucky that they didnt hit the brain-
Perhaps this was a hint of that something was amuck with his clogged arteries which led to his quard by pass in 05
Guess the hospitals cant be ready to feed peoples that need specials diets~~~which U would ASSUME that would be one of their PRIORITIES-
Hope he is feeling better---give him our best--
luve Barbara & Lou
The first about 8 years ago---and the clot stopped in his right eye~~~ he was watching TV---and for about 15 minutes his one eye couldnt see anything--
Of curse he ignored it but finally got him to a hospital and they kept him a week and checked everything out--which was OK---that is as far as THEY knew--
The second was 2 years back---again a clot which stopped in the left eye--but this time 911---and off by ambulance to the hospital--
All carotics etc. were clean and clear---and they told him lucky that they didnt hit the brain-
Perhaps this was a hint of that something was amuck with his clogged arteries which led to his quard by pass in 05
Guess the hospitals cant be ready to feed peoples that need specials diets~~~which U would ASSUME that would be one of their PRIORITIES-
Hope he is feeling better---give him our best--
luve Barbara & Lou
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Carrie-
Sorry for the food troubles @ the hospital! I had good luck - my local community hospital sent the head dietician in to go over meal options w/me (I was there for 10 days for pre-term labor) - they have an "unofficial" menu you can choose from and order a la carte...they offer kosher meals and other options...They also let me bring in food, and the nurses let me keep it in their fridge @ the nursing station...I would think with the rise of food allergies (nuts etc.) that a hospital would be a little more on the ball! Lots of people cannot tolerate dairy - this is not an unusual problem!
I hope Rick is on the mend! Most docs don't know squat about this condition, it's true! I was *shocked* my breast surgeon was familiar with it (he's also board-certified in colo-rectal surgery) - he was literally the first person in the medical profession, aside from my GI who had any familiarity with MC.
Take care,
Mary
Sorry for the food troubles @ the hospital! I had good luck - my local community hospital sent the head dietician in to go over meal options w/me (I was there for 10 days for pre-term labor) - they have an "unofficial" menu you can choose from and order a la carte...they offer kosher meals and other options...They also let me bring in food, and the nurses let me keep it in their fridge @ the nursing station...I would think with the rise of food allergies (nuts etc.) that a hospital would be a little more on the ball! Lots of people cannot tolerate dairy - this is not an unusual problem!
I hope Rick is on the mend! Most docs don't know squat about this condition, it's true! I was *shocked* my breast surgeon was familiar with it (he's also board-certified in colo-rectal surgery) - he was literally the first person in the medical profession, aside from my GI who had any familiarity with MC.
Take care,
Mary
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I can not believe how out of touch hospital food staff (including the head nutritionists) can be! Mary, your experience certainly seems to be out of the norm (luckily for you). I had trouble when I had my hysterectomy getting gf food (and that is my only intolerance so far). The dietician had no idea how to figure out what to serve me.
Katy
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Carrie,
I'm glad that Rick is OK, but his experience certainly proves that any diseases that involve food intolerances, are pretty much "off the radar" at most hospitals.
Like Mary, I was lucky when I had surgery a couple of years ago. When the "resident" advised me that they were going to try to re-start my digestive system, (when he made his early morning rounds), and that I would be receiving breakfast in about an hour, I whined about being intolerant of gluten, dairy, corn, soy, and most sugars. He said he would send the head dietitian around, and sure enough, in about half an hour, there she was, asking me what I wanted to eat. Surprisingly, (well, it was surprising to me, at the time, anyway), she had never heard of MC either, and, as Katy mentioned, she had no suggestions as to what I should eat. Fortunately, though, she did know what ingredients were in most foods, so I was able to pick apple juice, eggs, and bacon for breakfast, and baked chicken, green beans, and plain rice, for dinner. She checked with me at least twice a day, and everything went fine. I learned that there was no such thing as a menu for celiacs, or any other food intolerances - it was every patient for him/herself, but, as Mary pointed out, I was able to order anything that they offered, and they were very considerate, once they were aware of my needs. There are probably a few hospitals with special menus, but my experience was with the biggest one in this area, and they only had one menu.
Since then, I've wondered what would have happened if I would have said that I was allergic to gluten, casein, soy, etc., when filling out the obligatory forms that one always has to fill out at hospitals. Since those questionnaires are usually directed at medications, I wonder if they would even pay any attention to food items that were listed. I noticed that their menu didn't include anything with peanuts, or shellfish, for example, but still, some people have anaphylactic reactions to other foods.
And, since the average doctor doesn't savy MC, obviously, the average nurse can't be expected to know which items are safe, and which are not, either. Your only hope in that situation is to have access to the hospital's dietitian.
You know, since you mentioned a suspected TIA, that reminds me of my greatest fear, way back before I had any clue as to what was wrong with me. I kept getting sicker and sicker, and more and more run down and weaker, and I kept wondering how bad it could get, and how much longer I would last, before I eventually had a heart attack, or stroke, to put me out of my misery. Looking back, apparently that virtually never happens, but at the time, it definitely crossed my mind, more than a few times. LOL.
Hugs,
Tex
I'm glad that Rick is OK, but his experience certainly proves that any diseases that involve food intolerances, are pretty much "off the radar" at most hospitals.
When you stop and think about this, it's pretty worrisome. If the hospitals don't consider food intolerances to be important enough to prompt them to automatically ask if a patient needs a special diet, they obviously don't consider it to be a problem. It's no wonder the general public doesn't consider it to be significant, if the hospitals aren't even concerned about it.Barbara wrote:Guess the hospitals cant be ready to feed peoples that need specials diets~~~which U would ASSUME that would be one of their PRIORITIES-
Like Mary, I was lucky when I had surgery a couple of years ago. When the "resident" advised me that they were going to try to re-start my digestive system, (when he made his early morning rounds), and that I would be receiving breakfast in about an hour, I whined about being intolerant of gluten, dairy, corn, soy, and most sugars. He said he would send the head dietitian around, and sure enough, in about half an hour, there she was, asking me what I wanted to eat. Surprisingly, (well, it was surprising to me, at the time, anyway), she had never heard of MC either, and, as Katy mentioned, she had no suggestions as to what I should eat. Fortunately, though, she did know what ingredients were in most foods, so I was able to pick apple juice, eggs, and bacon for breakfast, and baked chicken, green beans, and plain rice, for dinner. She checked with me at least twice a day, and everything went fine. I learned that there was no such thing as a menu for celiacs, or any other food intolerances - it was every patient for him/herself, but, as Mary pointed out, I was able to order anything that they offered, and they were very considerate, once they were aware of my needs. There are probably a few hospitals with special menus, but my experience was with the biggest one in this area, and they only had one menu.
Since then, I've wondered what would have happened if I would have said that I was allergic to gluten, casein, soy, etc., when filling out the obligatory forms that one always has to fill out at hospitals. Since those questionnaires are usually directed at medications, I wonder if they would even pay any attention to food items that were listed. I noticed that their menu didn't include anything with peanuts, or shellfish, for example, but still, some people have anaphylactic reactions to other foods.
And, since the average doctor doesn't savy MC, obviously, the average nurse can't be expected to know which items are safe, and which are not, either. Your only hope in that situation is to have access to the hospital's dietitian.
You know, since you mentioned a suspected TIA, that reminds me of my greatest fear, way back before I had any clue as to what was wrong with me. I kept getting sicker and sicker, and more and more run down and weaker, and I kept wondering how bad it could get, and how much longer I would last, before I eventually had a heart attack, or stroke, to put me out of my misery. Looking back, apparently that virtually never happens, but at the time, it definitely crossed my mind, more than a few times. LOL.
Hugs,
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
I worry not only about hospitalization, but also about nursing homes. My mother was in a nursing home for the last 18 years of her life. It was difficult enough to get the facility to give her enough fluids, let alone a special diet. Luckily she didn't need special foods.
If a hospital doesn't understand special dietary needs for intolerances, it's certain that a nursing home doesn't. They just slap a diaper on the resident and change it when it's convenient for them. I could go on and on about nursing homes. Ending up in one is one of my biggest fears, even more since I've gotten this disease.
Gloria
If a hospital doesn't understand special dietary needs for intolerances, it's certain that a nursing home doesn't. They just slap a diaper on the resident and change it when it's convenient for them. I could go on and on about nursing homes. Ending up in one is one of my biggest fears, even more since I've gotten this disease.
Gloria
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Oh! My! Gosh!!
I hope to hear that Rick is on the mend! Poor fella! He sure has been thru the mill with his GI problems and now having to have gone to the hospital with other symptoms..
How are you doing Carrie??? I know it takes a toll on the spouses that have to deal with their hubby or wife's MC issues..
Pretty sad as far as the hospital dieticians not being trained in food intolerances, etc... They are knowlegeable with diabetics so now you have me considering sending letters to my local hospitals about this issue to see if I get a response.
Maybe if all of us sent off a letter to all of our local hospitals we could get the ball rolling & open the door for celiacs and we with food intolerances.
What do you think??????
Love
Dee~~~~~
I hope to hear that Rick is on the mend! Poor fella! He sure has been thru the mill with his GI problems and now having to have gone to the hospital with other symptoms..
How are you doing Carrie??? I know it takes a toll on the spouses that have to deal with their hubby or wife's MC issues..
Pretty sad as far as the hospital dieticians not being trained in food intolerances, etc... They are knowlegeable with diabetics so now you have me considering sending letters to my local hospitals about this issue to see if I get a response.
Maybe if all of us sent off a letter to all of our local hospitals we could get the ball rolling & open the door for celiacs and we with food intolerances.
What do you think??????
Love
Dee~~~~~
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Dee,
I was kind of thinking the same thing! Even if a hospital dietician had access to a current listing of off-the-shelf gf products so that they could order up something special but safe from the local grocery if their food delivery service didn't have a good selection of well labeled products. I got fed tomato soup for lunch because all the other lunch items were sandwiches, and I'm pretty sure it was just like Campbell's Soup...thickened up with food starch.
Also, note to self, the next time I'm in for something planned (as I was the last time) ask to talk to the dietician before admitting. Nothing worse than being unable to move, semi drugged up on morphine or percocet (can't remember if they'd removed the morphine drip yet), having a catheter in and trying to plan food with the staff.
Katy
I was kind of thinking the same thing! Even if a hospital dietician had access to a current listing of off-the-shelf gf products so that they could order up something special but safe from the local grocery if their food delivery service didn't have a good selection of well labeled products. I got fed tomato soup for lunch because all the other lunch items were sandwiches, and I'm pretty sure it was just like Campbell's Soup...thickened up with food starch.
Also, note to self, the next time I'm in for something planned (as I was the last time) ask to talk to the dietician before admitting. Nothing worse than being unable to move, semi drugged up on morphine or percocet (can't remember if they'd removed the morphine drip yet), having a catheter in and trying to plan food with the staff.
Katy
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Morning Carrie,
So sorry to hear about Rick but glad that things turned out OK.
Can totally relate to food intolerances and hospitals not having a clue. Formerly being a vegan and with MC and GF, etc. they sent the nutrionist and did their best but 3 meals a day were mashed potatoes, green beans and salad - after saying no salad. Definitely no gluten but totally unimaginative.
Love, Maggie
So sorry to hear about Rick but glad that things turned out OK.
Can totally relate to food intolerances and hospitals not having a clue. Formerly being a vegan and with MC and GF, etc. they sent the nutrionist and did their best but 3 meals a day were mashed potatoes, green beans and salad - after saying no salad. Definitely no gluten but totally unimaginative.
Love, Maggie
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Hey kids,
Now that I've caught up on a little more sleep and Rick seems to be doing better, I'm thinking of writing the hospital and complaining about the diet drama. It's bad enough to be in that place, but to not be able to have anything safe to eat is unbelievable.
The nurse that he had warned us about the food and told us that he had patients with severe peanut allergies and when their plates came up, there were peanut butter cookies sitting on them.......go figure....
I'm not sure if this hospital has done it, but many of them contract out their food services to other companies and the hospital doesn't have much control over the food.... so that maybe some of the problem. The dietary needs of one patient are just not important to them......either way, if Rick ever get's put back in the hospital, I will know to bring supplies with me....
Thanks for all the good thoughts, hopefully this speedbump in life is over and we can get on with trying to get him into remission.
Hugs,
Carrie
Now that I've caught up on a little more sleep and Rick seems to be doing better, I'm thinking of writing the hospital and complaining about the diet drama. It's bad enough to be in that place, but to not be able to have anything safe to eat is unbelievable.
The nurse that he had warned us about the food and told us that he had patients with severe peanut allergies and when their plates came up, there were peanut butter cookies sitting on them.......go figure....
I'm not sure if this hospital has done it, but many of them contract out their food services to other companies and the hospital doesn't have much control over the food.... so that maybe some of the problem. The dietary needs of one patient are just not important to them......either way, if Rick ever get's put back in the hospital, I will know to bring supplies with me....
Thanks for all the good thoughts, hopefully this speedbump in life is over and we can get on with trying to get him into remission.
Hugs,
Carrie
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Glad to hear Rick is doing better-----and the *idea* of informing hospitals of peoples dietary issues should be addressed~~~~~
Carrie---U are right---the hospitals do contract their food services to other companies---
Just as important ---when the nurse comes in with your meds.---to ASK--what are U giving me???
I have heard stories of people being given the WRONG meds. for ailments they didnt have--
Glad U caught up with yourself---
Luve Barbara
Carrie---U are right---the hospitals do contract their food services to other companies---
Just as important ---when the nurse comes in with your meds.---to ASK--what are U giving me???
I have heard stories of people being given the WRONG meds. for ailments they didnt have--
Glad U caught up with yourself---
Luve Barbara
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Glad to hear its not a stroke... omg!! that hospital could have made him even more ill...thats outrageous,,
You should have seen what they served me up at tea time when i was in the gastro ward,,,i wouldnt serve it to my dog!!! it was soggy stale chips and overcooked egg..god that would have made me sick...cant believe they dont even think of the food they serve you especially when you are in a gastro ward cos your ill with your gut......unbelievable..
Anyway a lucky man for u to look out for him...
You should have seen what they served me up at tea time when i was in the gastro ward,,,i wouldnt serve it to my dog!!! it was soggy stale chips and overcooked egg..god that would have made me sick...cant believe they dont even think of the food they serve you especially when you are in a gastro ward cos your ill with your gut......unbelievable..
Anyway a lucky man for u to look out for him...
Angy ;)