The day before yesterday, late in the day, I decided to follow someone else's suggestion, (I believe it was Jean who mentioned it), and made a glass of lemonade, (by squeezing a lemon into some water, and adding a little cane sugar). About an hour later, I noticed a slight amount of bloating, but nothing serious.
Soooooo, yesterday, I tried it again. The second time, though, the bloating was more significant, and there was a sensation that felt like a hot, burning pain in my stomach, though it was probably in my small intestine, since it started about an hour or so after drinking the lemonade. It was the same sensation I've felt before, when I suspected a reaction to sugar. It kept me from getting a decent night's sleep, since I kept waking up, and then I couldn't get comfortable, and had trouble falling asleep again.
This morning, the pain is not as bad, but it's still there. No more lemonade for me. I thought I could get away with it, since I used a minimal amount of suger, but I guess all that did was to postpone the pain until the second dose. Sigh.
I suppose there's a possibility the problem could be the citric acid from the lemon, but I tend to get this unique pain everytime I ingest any significant amount of sugar, even from natural sources, such as fruit and honey.
Love,
Wayne
I'm Apparently Having a Reaction to Cane Sugar
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I'm Apparently Having a Reaction to Cane Sugar
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, Wayne!
I've been watching your two posts here, and no one has responded. I'm sure you're are not being ignored - folks just aren't used to looking for or using this new forum. Hopefully it will catch on over time. I do think it's a good idea, but time will tell, I guess.
Has the reaction subsided? It does seem that you do have a problem with too much sugar. Remember those sweets over the holidays? But have you considered a citrus reaction? I know that I don't tolerate citrus well. I can do a very little bit occasionally, but no more.
Love,
Polly
I've been watching your two posts here, and no one has responded. I'm sure you're are not being ignored - folks just aren't used to looking for or using this new forum. Hopefully it will catch on over time. I do think it's a good idea, but time will tell, I guess.
Has the reaction subsided? It does seem that you do have a problem with too much sugar. Remember those sweets over the holidays? But have you considered a citrus reaction? I know that I don't tolerate citrus well. I can do a very little bit occasionally, but no more.
Love,
Polly
Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.
Hi Polly,
LOL. Yes, this forum does tend to make me feel like the Maytag repairman. I really thought that a lot of GFers wanted a place that could serve not only as the "GF Kitchen" did on the old board, but include the options of discussing any other treatments, or combinations of treatments.
I guess that without seeing an official announcement about it, no one knows what to make of it. I started to pull the plug on it a few days ago, but what the heck, I'm hard headed, so we'll see what happens. I've been wanting to add another post or two, but I didn't want to appear that I'm trying to promote this forum, or anything. LOL.
The reaction lasted about a week, and I'm feeling great, right now. Yes, I am concerned that I am citrus intolerant, and I've cut it out of my diet, unless/until I can prove otherwise.
The good news is that as long as I stay away from that blasted "dairy-free margarine", rice flour based chocolate chip cookies don't seem to cause any problems whatsoever, so rice and chocolate have been proven to be safe for me, after all. I note that they also contain some sugar, and since they don't bother me, that seems to confirm the problem with citrus.
Thanks for being brave enough to post in this desolate forum. LOL.
Love,
Wayne
LOL. Yes, this forum does tend to make me feel like the Maytag repairman. I really thought that a lot of GFers wanted a place that could serve not only as the "GF Kitchen" did on the old board, but include the options of discussing any other treatments, or combinations of treatments.
I guess that without seeing an official announcement about it, no one knows what to make of it. I started to pull the plug on it a few days ago, but what the heck, I'm hard headed, so we'll see what happens. I've been wanting to add another post or two, but I didn't want to appear that I'm trying to promote this forum, or anything. LOL.
The reaction lasted about a week, and I'm feeling great, right now. Yes, I am concerned that I am citrus intolerant, and I've cut it out of my diet, unless/until I can prove otherwise.
The good news is that as long as I stay away from that blasted "dairy-free margarine", rice flour based chocolate chip cookies don't seem to cause any problems whatsoever, so rice and chocolate have been proven to be safe for me, after all. I note that they also contain some sugar, and since they don't bother me, that seems to confirm the problem with citrus.
Thanks for being brave enough to post in this desolate forum. LOL.
Love,
Wayne
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Hi Wayne and Polly,
I just stumbled onto this room! I'll start checking here too.
Wayne, I've been meaning to comment on your problem with sweets. It's not fair. I think it would be 'better' to have to give up citrus fruits than all sugars. That would be hard for me to take.
Sorry about the lemonade too.
This seems like a good forum. I did like the kitchen at the old site. It's the only room I ever visited.
Love, Jean
I just stumbled onto this room! I'll start checking here too.
Wayne, I've been meaning to comment on your problem with sweets. It's not fair. I think it would be 'better' to have to give up citrus fruits than all sugars. That would be hard for me to take.
Sorry about the lemonade too.
This seems like a good forum. I did like the kitchen at the old site. It's the only room I ever visited.
Love, Jean
Hi Jean,
Well, when we first started, several GFers clamored about having a GF Kitchen, but I thought we sorta needed to regroup, and heal our wounds for a while, before splitting off into subgroups, so I resisted adding one. Then, when I decided to add this room, I figured it would do for both a kitchen, and a place to discuss med treatments, and combinations, for that matter.
No one was interested, though. I don't know if the name of the forum has to include the word "kitchen" to be popular, or if something else is lacking, but so far, this forum been conspicuously desolate. LOL.
I've recently discovered that I can tolerate maple candy, so now that makes me wonder if something else has been confounding my sugar tests all along.
Love,
Wayne
Well, when we first started, several GFers clamored about having a GF Kitchen, but I thought we sorta needed to regroup, and heal our wounds for a while, before splitting off into subgroups, so I resisted adding one. Then, when I decided to add this room, I figured it would do for both a kitchen, and a place to discuss med treatments, and combinations, for that matter.
No one was interested, though. I don't know if the name of the forum has to include the word "kitchen" to be popular, or if something else is lacking, but so far, this forum been conspicuously desolate. LOL.
I've recently discovered that I can tolerate maple candy, so now that makes me wonder if something else has been confounding my sugar tests all along.
Love,
Wayne
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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Wayne,
I think I read this a while ago, but never had time to respond. My Aunt is sensitive to cane sugar (sucrose). She can tolerate fructose. So uses honey, maple syrup as primary sweeteners. She also can eat corn syrup...I know thats no help for you. Also, I remember my gram used to make fruit pies galore (always had a stash in the freezer) and always sweetened them with apple juice concentrate. I'll have to look and see if I have any of her recipies for the apple juice concentrate proportions. I know honey and maple syrup work in half the quantity usually. This does not however work for cranberry sauce...that just needs sugar.
Katy
PS: About the forum...I think this will be a great spot as newbies start finding us. Right now, I think the group is comfortable enough with eachother to discuss anything MC or otherwise on the main board. But as time goes on and more people arrive, the discussions such as these could get lost in the general chatter over there. So I vote for leaving this for some time. And go ahead and chat away...your posts are thought provoking, even when I don't have time to discuss (usually because I haven't had time to read the entire thing, and I don't want to sound stupid because I haven't done my research).
I think I read this a while ago, but never had time to respond. My Aunt is sensitive to cane sugar (sucrose). She can tolerate fructose. So uses honey, maple syrup as primary sweeteners. She also can eat corn syrup...I know thats no help for you. Also, I remember my gram used to make fruit pies galore (always had a stash in the freezer) and always sweetened them with apple juice concentrate. I'll have to look and see if I have any of her recipies for the apple juice concentrate proportions. I know honey and maple syrup work in half the quantity usually. This does not however work for cranberry sauce...that just needs sugar.
Katy
PS: About the forum...I think this will be a great spot as newbies start finding us. Right now, I think the group is comfortable enough with eachother to discuss anything MC or otherwise on the main board. But as time goes on and more people arrive, the discussions such as these could get lost in the general chatter over there. So I vote for leaving this for some time. And go ahead and chat away...your posts are thought provoking, even when I don't have time to discuss (usually because I haven't had time to read the entire thing, and I don't want to sound stupid because I haven't done my research).
Hi Katy,
Thanks for offering your opinion on this forum. I'm glad to see that you agree with me. We'll see how it goes when any newbies arrive.
Also, thanks for your insight on the sugar issue. I seem to be okay with maple sugar. I need to test honey again.
Wayne
Thanks for offering your opinion on this forum. I'm glad to see that you agree with me. We'll see how it goes when any newbies arrive.
Also, thanks for your insight on the sugar issue. I seem to be okay with maple sugar. I need to test honey again.
Wayne
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Ditto what Katy said about this forum.
Wayne, I wonder what's going on with you and sugar. I know it seems to affect you more sometimes than others. How long has it been since you found a new intolerance? Seems like a new one pops up every six months for me--I'm hoping that I'm over that, and you too.
BYW, how have you been sleeping? I'm sure working on this board has kept you up many nights.
Love, Jean
Wayne, I wonder what's going on with you and sugar. I know it seems to affect you more sometimes than others. How long has it been since you found a new intolerance? Seems like a new one pops up every six months for me--I'm hoping that I'm over that, and you too.
BYW, how have you been sleeping? I'm sure working on this board has kept you up many nights.
Love, Jean
Jean,
You've made a good point. Sugar seems to bother me much more at some times than at others. There's probably something else involved. Cutting out eggs seems to make a big difference, but I can eat eggs, and not show any symptoms for at least 3 or 4 days, as a rule.
I'm having some sort of reaction right now, presumably from a smoothie I made last night. A few days ago I had one, (for the first time in at least several months), using strawberries, mangos, blueberries, and coconut milk. I didn't have a bit of trouble with that one. Last night I added papayas to the mix, and a few little pieces of maple candy, to sweeten it, and used apple cider instead of coconut milk, and today I'm bloated, with minor GI pains. I'm pretty sure the problem is the papayas, because I've had similar reactions before, after adding them to a smoothie, but I was never positive about the effects. I think I'm going to cut them out and see what happens next time.
I'm pretty sure that it wasn't the maple candy, because I've been able to eat it by itself with absolutely no efffects, but maybe there's an effect from the combination.
As far as other recent intolerance discoveries are concerned, about 6 months ago, I decided that almond butter was not my friend, but maybe I was just eating too much of it, and maybe there was a combined effect with the rice snaps that I put it on.
Sorry to hear that you've been adding items to your "avoid" list. I was hoping that my discovery was either an isolated rarity, or just a coincidence.
I've been doing a little better with my sleep patterns, now that the board is
pretty much set up, but I still don't sleep long enough. I rarely exceed 5 hours. Old habits are hard to break. LOL. Thanks for asking.
Love,
Wayne
You've made a good point. Sugar seems to bother me much more at some times than at others. There's probably something else involved. Cutting out eggs seems to make a big difference, but I can eat eggs, and not show any symptoms for at least 3 or 4 days, as a rule.
I'm having some sort of reaction right now, presumably from a smoothie I made last night. A few days ago I had one, (for the first time in at least several months), using strawberries, mangos, blueberries, and coconut milk. I didn't have a bit of trouble with that one. Last night I added papayas to the mix, and a few little pieces of maple candy, to sweeten it, and used apple cider instead of coconut milk, and today I'm bloated, with minor GI pains. I'm pretty sure the problem is the papayas, because I've had similar reactions before, after adding them to a smoothie, but I was never positive about the effects. I think I'm going to cut them out and see what happens next time.
I'm pretty sure that it wasn't the maple candy, because I've been able to eat it by itself with absolutely no efffects, but maybe there's an effect from the combination.
As far as other recent intolerance discoveries are concerned, about 6 months ago, I decided that almond butter was not my friend, but maybe I was just eating too much of it, and maybe there was a combined effect with the rice snaps that I put it on.
Sorry to hear that you've been adding items to your "avoid" list. I was hoping that my discovery was either an isolated rarity, or just a coincidence.
I've been doing a little better with my sleep patterns, now that the board is
pretty much set up, but I still don't sleep long enough. I rarely exceed 5 hours. Old habits are hard to break. LOL. Thanks for asking.
Love,
Wayne
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Hi Wayne!
I wonder just what factors are involved with your apparent sugar problems? You can tolerate maple sugar. What about honey and table sugar? Have you ever tried date sugar (made from ground up dates)?
I started surfing a bit to try to come up with something, but I've run out of time tonight. Found a good website describing the types of sugars and how we use them at www.wwrecipes.com/sugar.htm
Love,
Polly
P.S. Sometimes I wonder if tropical fruits like papayas might be more troublesome for those with caveman genes (at least those of us with ancestors from Europe) - although if this is true, I guess you'd have equal problems with papayas and mangoes.....and even coconut for that matter. Although you DO have a banana problem, right? I know I do best with the non-tropical ones like berries of any kind, apples, cherries, peaches, pears, etc.
I wonder just what factors are involved with your apparent sugar problems? You can tolerate maple sugar. What about honey and table sugar? Have you ever tried date sugar (made from ground up dates)?
I started surfing a bit to try to come up with something, but I've run out of time tonight. Found a good website describing the types of sugars and how we use them at www.wwrecipes.com/sugar.htm
Love,
Polly
P.S. Sometimes I wonder if tropical fruits like papayas might be more troublesome for those with caveman genes (at least those of us with ancestors from Europe) - although if this is true, I guess you'd have equal problems with papayas and mangoes.....and even coconut for that matter. Although you DO have a banana problem, right? I know I do best with the non-tropical ones like berries of any kind, apples, cherries, peaches, pears, etc.
Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.
Hi Polly,
Thanks for the link. That's a very interesting article. I learned why corn syrup is in everything, (well, almost everything).
In the past, whenever I've tried cane sugar, or honey, I've had problems, but now that I've discovered that maple sugar works ok, I need to try to investigate this further. I've tried dates a couple of times, and had a reaction each time. As soon as I get straightened out, I'll start experimenting, again.
Love,
Wayne
Thanks for the link. That's a very interesting article. I learned why corn syrup is in everything, (well, almost everything).
In the past, whenever I've tried cane sugar, or honey, I've had problems, but now that I've discovered that maple sugar works ok, I need to try to investigate this further. I've tried dates a couple of times, and had a reaction each time. As soon as I get straightened out, I'll start experimenting, again.
Love,
Wayne
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Wayne,
I understand that papayas have enzymes that 'help' with digestion. It's recommended when a baby parrot gets a slow/blocked crop. I wonder if something is going on there?
You're reaction sounds like it's complicated and will take time to investigate. Darn! The fact that it takes you a few days to react just adds to the problem.
I think I reacted to, of all things, blueberries. I went shopping last week and ate three new things that evening (dumb). I reacted that night, but a very light reaction. I also ate blueberries that night. The next evening, I avoided all of the new items, but ate more blueberries. I had the exact same reaction again. Now I know I can eat blueberries because the week before Shannon and I shared 2 lbs. with no problem. I wonder if they were contaminated with something? Seems so weird I even hesitate to mention it.
Love, Jean
I understand that papayas have enzymes that 'help' with digestion. It's recommended when a baby parrot gets a slow/blocked crop. I wonder if something is going on there?
You're reaction sounds like it's complicated and will take time to investigate. Darn! The fact that it takes you a few days to react just adds to the problem.
I think I reacted to, of all things, blueberries. I went shopping last week and ate three new things that evening (dumb). I reacted that night, but a very light reaction. I also ate blueberries that night. The next evening, I avoided all of the new items, but ate more blueberries. I had the exact same reaction again. Now I know I can eat blueberries because the week before Shannon and I shared 2 lbs. with no problem. I wonder if they were contaminated with something? Seems so weird I even hesitate to mention it.
Love, Jean
Jean,
I know - it can be so frustrating to tease things out, can't it? Maybe there was pesticide on the blueberries. I read recently that berries retain the highest amount of pesticide of any food (strawberries were the highest).
Love,
Polly
I know - it can be so frustrating to tease things out, can't it? Maybe there was pesticide on the blueberries. I read recently that berries retain the highest amount of pesticide of any food (strawberries were the highest).
Love,
Polly
Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves, for they shall never cease to be amused.
Jean,
Thanks for the tip on the enzyme issue with papayas. I think that nails it down for me. I don't recall if you were monitoring the old board or not at the time, but about 6 months ago, I had the bright idea to test enzyme supplements, to see if they would provide any bebefits for victims of MC.
The first one I tried was called CompleteGest, which, (according to the label), was comprised of "vegetarian enzymes that help completely digest all foods". I took it with breakfast, (two hard-boiled eggs), and in an hour or two, I was feeling rough, nauseated, with a sharp burning sensation in my stomach, (or somewhere thereabouts). In another hour, I was vomiting, which was repeated in another hour or so. It took me several days for the burning sensation to subside, and about a week to get back to normal. Sooooooo, I don't mess with enzymes any more, to say the least.
That was a strange experience that you had with the blueberries, but it certainly would seem that the problem could have been a pesticide, or who -knows-what that might have been on them.
Love,
Wayne
Thanks for the tip on the enzyme issue with papayas. I think that nails it down for me. I don't recall if you were monitoring the old board or not at the time, but about 6 months ago, I had the bright idea to test enzyme supplements, to see if they would provide any bebefits for victims of MC.
The first one I tried was called CompleteGest, which, (according to the label), was comprised of "vegetarian enzymes that help completely digest all foods". I took it with breakfast, (two hard-boiled eggs), and in an hour or two, I was feeling rough, nauseated, with a sharp burning sensation in my stomach, (or somewhere thereabouts). In another hour, I was vomiting, which was repeated in another hour or so. It took me several days for the burning sensation to subside, and about a week to get back to normal. Sooooooo, I don't mess with enzymes any more, to say the least.
That was a strange experience that you had with the blueberries, but it certainly would seem that the problem could have been a pesticide, or who -knows-what that might have been on them.
Love,
Wayne
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Wayne,
I either missed your enzyme experiment or forgot. Interesting though...Might be worth think about other natural enzymes and the sugar thing.
Wayne and Polly,
I thought about pesticides, and it could be that. But, I've been handling pesticides for the last 8 years, at my old job and now at the golf course. I've never noticed a reaction to them like what I experienced.
I was thinking of yeast or a intolerated food on the skin. Maybe they were close to corn at some point. It sure was weird. I'll have to watch to see if it happens again. I'm not aware that I have a problem with yeast, but there are very few places where I could get it, certainly not from baked goods. So I've not tested it or worried about it.
Now where did I put my detective hat? Wayne did you borrow it?
Love, Jean
I either missed your enzyme experiment or forgot. Interesting though...Might be worth think about other natural enzymes and the sugar thing.
Wayne and Polly,
I thought about pesticides, and it could be that. But, I've been handling pesticides for the last 8 years, at my old job and now at the golf course. I've never noticed a reaction to them like what I experienced.
I was thinking of yeast or a intolerated food on the skin. Maybe they were close to corn at some point. It sure was weird. I'll have to watch to see if it happens again. I'm not aware that I have a problem with yeast, but there are very few places where I could get it, certainly not from baked goods. So I've not tested it or worried about it.
Now where did I put my detective hat? Wayne did you borrow it?
Love, Jean