Hi All,
It has been shown by research, (Dr. Weston Price), that the dental procedure known as a "root canal", virtually always results in encapsulated, (live), bacteria, within the tooth itself, and those bacteria apparently survive indefinitely, retaining the potential to metastasize, any time that the body experiences severe stress, trauma, etc. When, they metastasize, they send toxins, which can appear at virtually any location, or organ, within the body, and this site then becomes the focal point of a new infection, or new disease, usually with idiopathic characteristics, (since no one knows where it came from). If you are interested in a little background information on this, here are a couple of links to articles which discuss Dr. Price's research. The second link, was written by Dr. George Meinig, a respected endodontist, who is the author of a book that exposed the cover-up of Dr. Price's research.
http://www.notdoctors.com/crci3.html
http://www.mizar5.com/coverup.htm
Since this could have implications for the origins of microscopic colitis, and possibility many other "autoimmune diseases", I would very much appreciate if you would respond to this survey, so that we can "compare notes", to see if there might be a connection of some sort.
Thanks,
Tex
P. S. Gloria suggested this poll - thanks, Gloria.
Have You Ever Had A Root Canal Procedure?
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Have You Ever Had A Root Canal Procedure?
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
I have had root canals done on several teeth but one tooth has had extensive surgery and bone added and still may have to have it pulled. I have about the price of a car invested in that tooth and I am not willing to get an implant since I can't take anti inflammatory meds and I seem to have a healing problem with work on my teeth.
grannyh
grannyh
grannyh, I hear you about the price of dental work! Definitely the cost of cars for sure!
I have had one root canal. It was done in late 1989 or 1990 I can't remember which. I started getting nerve pain in 1997. I more than likely had something going on in my gut for at least a short while before that, but since my MC is not typical when it comes to symptoms I can't really say when the MC onset was, but I would venture a guess somewhere in the time frame of the pain.
My nerve pain did coincide with the last of my crowns I had done (I have 8). There are some who say that is because of the increased mercury exposure and hitting that tipping point with that (I have 15 fillings) due to contact with the nickel plated crowns to the fillings. Maybe. Maybe not. I'm lumping that in with the possibilities.
I think there is a possibility that FOR ME, my dental work at least plays a role in my MC. I can't really base it on anything more than a hunch and a small amount of research that I can't claim is conclusive.
Has Dr. Fine done any research on an infectious cause or causes for MC? I wonder if it isn't caused by the same thing for everyone, but may have different causes that come to a similar result basically.
Shonda
I have had one root canal. It was done in late 1989 or 1990 I can't remember which. I started getting nerve pain in 1997. I more than likely had something going on in my gut for at least a short while before that, but since my MC is not typical when it comes to symptoms I can't really say when the MC onset was, but I would venture a guess somewhere in the time frame of the pain.
My nerve pain did coincide with the last of my crowns I had done (I have 8). There are some who say that is because of the increased mercury exposure and hitting that tipping point with that (I have 15 fillings) due to contact with the nickel plated crowns to the fillings. Maybe. Maybe not. I'm lumping that in with the possibilities.
I think there is a possibility that FOR ME, my dental work at least plays a role in my MC. I can't really base it on anything more than a hunch and a small amount of research that I can't claim is conclusive.
Has Dr. Fine done any research on an infectious cause or causes for MC? I wonder if it isn't caused by the same thing for everyone, but may have different causes that come to a similar result basically.
Shonda
Shonda,
I would guess that Dr. Fine has done some research on the possibility that an infectious agent may be a cause of MC, but other than mentioning this possibility in several places, he has never provided much detail on this concept, (that I am aware of). Here, for example, is a quote from the notes of an early lecture that he gave, (this was back before it was discovered that other meds, such as PPIs, SSRIs, etc, can cause MC):
Tex
I would guess that Dr. Fine has done some research on the possibility that an infectious agent may be a cause of MC, but other than mentioning this possibility in several places, he has never provided much detail on this concept, (that I am aware of). Here, for example, is a quote from the notes of an early lecture that he gave, (this was back before it was discovered that other meds, such as PPIs, SSRIs, etc, can cause MC):
Note that the line, "Not gluten or other dietary derivative", does not mean that we cannot react to gluten or other dietary components. It means that these are not the initial cause of the onset of the disease.Speculations on the Pathogenesis of Microscopic Colitis
HLA-directed T-cell reaction to an antigenic stimulus in the colonic lumen
Not gluten or other dietary derivative
Related to bacteria or another microorganism
Potentiated by NSAID’s and possibly estrogen supplements
Antibiotics or other factors related to alteration of colonic flora
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Thanks for that information.
Maybe the poll could be expanded to include pulled/extracted teeth and extracted wisdom teeth before or after MC onset. There are some who believe incorrectly removed teeth can set up the same sort of focal infection scenario as root canals, due to the periodontal ligament that is left behind not allowing the bone to heal over properly, creating a cavitation where bacteria can hang out. Dentists rarely remove the periodontal ligament because they don't consider it a potential problem.
I'm really interested in reading more about the mycobacterium I've seen mentioned, too. I know very little about it. I've been thinking about the cipro thing and barring some sort of "off label" effect of cipro, it would seem that it's either slighly knocking down an infection that takes more long term abx (such as a mycobacterium, or a focal infection that gets taken out by the cipro that gets re-infected from it's source (such as an oral infection that doesn't get good blood supply) after the cipro is stopped. Here I am thinking out loud again. This stuff is enough to make someone obsess
!
Shonda
Maybe the poll could be expanded to include pulled/extracted teeth and extracted wisdom teeth before or after MC onset. There are some who believe incorrectly removed teeth can set up the same sort of focal infection scenario as root canals, due to the periodontal ligament that is left behind not allowing the bone to heal over properly, creating a cavitation where bacteria can hang out. Dentists rarely remove the periodontal ligament because they don't consider it a potential problem.
I'm really interested in reading more about the mycobacterium I've seen mentioned, too. I know very little about it. I've been thinking about the cipro thing and barring some sort of "off label" effect of cipro, it would seem that it's either slighly knocking down an infection that takes more long term abx (such as a mycobacterium, or a focal infection that gets taken out by the cipro that gets re-infected from it's source (such as an oral infection that doesn't get good blood supply) after the cipro is stopped. Here I am thinking out loud again. This stuff is enough to make someone obsess
!Shonda
I would rather not change a poll after it has already accumulated a number of votes, since that wouldn't be fair to the original voters, and it could raise some questions about the accuracy of the poll. Hopefully, issues such as the ones you mentioned, will be noted in the third choice, "No, but I have had other serious dental problems, prior to the advent of my MC symptoms".
That's the one that caught my vote, since I had a couple of wisdom teeth chiseled out, when I was in my 20s. I rated it as a serious dental problem, because one of my ears bled, afterwards.
Tex
That's the one that caught my vote, since I had a couple of wisdom teeth chiseled out, when I was in my 20s. I rated it as a serious dental problem, because one of my ears bled, afterwards.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
I also had a wisdom tooth "chiseled out" many years ago but no ear bleeding. I would have considered that serious also. Did have pieces coming to the surface for a while.
I am usually so happy and relieved to be released from the chair (no matter what they did) that I consider the rest of the day to be great!! HaHa
Love, Shirley
I am usually so happy and relieved to be released from the chair (no matter what they did) that I consider the rest of the day to be great!! HaHa
Love, Shirley
When the eagles are silent, the parrots begin to jabber"
-- Winston Churchill
-- Winston Churchill
Good point Tex about changing it messing with the poll results. Then maybe there could be a clarification on the option for "serious dental problems." Wisdom tooth removal is considered almost routine by many people since so many people have it done. Although, that alone could skew results. If so many people have it done, then there are going to be a lot of people who have had it done and don't get MC, so it may not be measurable even though it may have had some influence. The "focal infection' theories are based on the infections possibly being by one or more of many different organisms, so not all would have the same consequences.
Shonda,
I agree. Just because we might have such infections, is no guarantee that we will develop MC as a result, just as having the genes, does not guarantee that disease will develop - it merely opens the door to the possibility of disease. Probably, additional "enabling" conditions have to be present, before the disease will be triggered.
Tex
I agree. Just because we might have such infections, is no guarantee that we will develop MC as a result, just as having the genes, does not guarantee that disease will develop - it merely opens the door to the possibility of disease. Probably, additional "enabling" conditions have to be present, before the disease will be triggered.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
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Tex, I just read your post regarding root canal. Interestingly, I had root canal surgery around the same time that I was first beginning to have chronic "D" and I recall mentioning to the endodontist that I might have to run to the bathroom during the procedure.......fortunately I didn't .......but I alerted him to the fact that I was dealing with this problem. A few months later when my GI doc diagnosed me having LC...... I asked him how I got it...his reply was that I must have somehow gotten an infection.
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