MAO-A, clearing excess histamine
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MAO-A, clearing excess histamine
I need a little help....
Researching brought my attention to excess histamine and I checked my DNA and I am MAO-A ++ which means I don't break histamine down very well and I could use some support.
Well I've researched myself to death.....not sure what food I should be eating, which supplements may help and I basically want to get off antihistamines because I just feel I need to for a while.
Things I've read said chasteberry is good stress support, getting a little bit of estrogen is good to. I just want my DAO to start functioning again like it's supposed to I'm so confused
Anyone have any luck trying this?
Thanks
Erica[/i]
Researching brought my attention to excess histamine and I checked my DNA and I am MAO-A ++ which means I don't break histamine down very well and I could use some support.
Well I've researched myself to death.....not sure what food I should be eating, which supplements may help and I basically want to get off antihistamines because I just feel I need to for a while.
Things I've read said chasteberry is good stress support, getting a little bit of estrogen is good to. I just want my DAO to start functioning again like it's supposed to I'm so confused
Anyone have any luck trying this?
Thanks
Erica[/i]
To Succeed you have to Believe in something with such a passion that it becomes a Reality - Anita Roddick
Dx LC April 2012 had symptoms since Aug 2007
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I wouldnt do anything different to the Magnesium and Vit B6 (aka P5P) - both are key in managing histamine levels and are MC safe.
any of the other products/food ingredients that may reduce histamine could be an issue MC wise.
if you really want to try things that will help reduce histamine from the suggestions below
NAC is a possible option ( i have used that for liver support while i am clearing toxic copper and tolerated it ok)
TMG is another
I never tolerated or benefited from Quercertin or bromelain.
hope this helps
http://acidicbody.com/histamine-toxicit ... histamine/
Correcting nutritional imbalances responsible for histamine control
Mineral hair analysis is a helpful test to measure the minerals excretion from a body and thus an indicator of mineral content within the tissues. Referring to the test results of a hair mineral analysis, the following minerals are important to have properly balanced
Calcium – appears to have a regulatory role, limiting the histamine secretion [srs]. Calcium also helps to mobilize histamine from tissues. If calcium supplements are taken, the total dietary consumption along with calcium supplements should not exceed 1500mg a day. If you have hypercalcemia, calcium supplements are strictly contraindicated.
Magnesium – regulates activity of histidine decarboxylase which is responsible in histamine production from histidine. Magnesium is also an important co-factor in DAO enzyme capacity
Chromium – stabilizes glucose metabolism, preventing stress and therefore reducing mast cell activity
Zinc - inhibits mast cells degranulation. Antagonizes copper. With pancreatic insufficiency may produce anxiety.
Manganese – inhibits mast cells degranulation and elevates diamine oxidase activity. Antagonizes copper
Copper – required for DAO enzyme capacity responsible for histamine breakdown from foods and in plasma
Zinc and Copper generally need to be supplemented in ratio of 8:1 if either one is taken
Reducing toxic levels of histamine
Most of the below supplements (except for herbs) should be taken 30-60 minutes before a meal to increase absorption.
Vitamin C (buffered, sustained release) - reduces mast cell histamine capacity and increases DAO enzyme activity
Usage: up to 1000mg daily in morning
Methionine (amino acid) – acts as as an anti-folate, adding a methyl group to help histamine mobilization
Usage: 500mg 3 times daily between meals in divided doses during flare up and 500-1000mg daily in divided doses for maintenance. Take 3-day breaks to keep the body’s ability to process methionine without supplementation.
Vitamin B6 – co-factor of DAO enzyme. Inhibits mast cell degranulation [srs]. With pancreatic insufficiency may produce anxiety.
Usage: 2-10mg daily (If tolerated. May create anxiety). Best taken once in morning with Methionine.
Glycine (amino acid) – inhibits histidine. Contraindicated with hypercalcemia.
Usage: 500-1000mg daily 2 hours after last meal. Produces calming effect, may slow down peristaltic movement and cause constipation.
TMG (Trimethylglycine) increases methionine levels and protects the cardiovascular system by neutralizing homocysteine
Usage: 500-1000mg daily in morning. Can be too stimulating.
Quercetin/Bromelain combo & lemon bioflavonoids – limit the histamine release from mast cells. This appears to be the most effective combo to use during an acute histamine release bout.
Usage: Quercetin and bromelain as a combo in one supplement is more effective. Take for 1-2 weeks then make a 2 week break. Not recommended long term.
Pycnogenol (French maritime pine extract, bioflavonoid) – significantly inhibits mast cells degranulation [srs]. May cause hot flashes.
Vitamin K2 (Menaquinone-7 /MK-7). Reduces mast cells degranulation by transferring the calcium that facilitates mast cells activation from blood serum into the bones.
Usage: 100mcg daily
N-acetyl-cysteine (NAC) – 200mg in morning to decrease excessive mucous and gently lifts intracellular glutathione for detoxification. NAC can also cause elevated baseline mast cells degranulation. Best taken with vitamin C to limit mast cell histamine capacity.
any of the other products/food ingredients that may reduce histamine could be an issue MC wise.
if you really want to try things that will help reduce histamine from the suggestions below
NAC is a possible option ( i have used that for liver support while i am clearing toxic copper and tolerated it ok)
TMG is another
I never tolerated or benefited from Quercertin or bromelain.
hope this helps
http://acidicbody.com/histamine-toxicit ... histamine/
Correcting nutritional imbalances responsible for histamine control
Mineral hair analysis is a helpful test to measure the minerals excretion from a body and thus an indicator of mineral content within the tissues. Referring to the test results of a hair mineral analysis, the following minerals are important to have properly balanced
Calcium – appears to have a regulatory role, limiting the histamine secretion [srs]. Calcium also helps to mobilize histamine from tissues. If calcium supplements are taken, the total dietary consumption along with calcium supplements should not exceed 1500mg a day. If you have hypercalcemia, calcium supplements are strictly contraindicated.
Magnesium – regulates activity of histidine decarboxylase which is responsible in histamine production from histidine. Magnesium is also an important co-factor in DAO enzyme capacity
Chromium – stabilizes glucose metabolism, preventing stress and therefore reducing mast cell activity
Zinc - inhibits mast cells degranulation. Antagonizes copper. With pancreatic insufficiency may produce anxiety.
Manganese – inhibits mast cells degranulation and elevates diamine oxidase activity. Antagonizes copper
Copper – required for DAO enzyme capacity responsible for histamine breakdown from foods and in plasma
Zinc and Copper generally need to be supplemented in ratio of 8:1 if either one is taken
Reducing toxic levels of histamine
Most of the below supplements (except for herbs) should be taken 30-60 minutes before a meal to increase absorption.
Vitamin C (buffered, sustained release) - reduces mast cell histamine capacity and increases DAO enzyme activity
Usage: up to 1000mg daily in morning
Methionine (amino acid) – acts as as an anti-folate, adding a methyl group to help histamine mobilization
Usage: 500mg 3 times daily between meals in divided doses during flare up and 500-1000mg daily in divided doses for maintenance. Take 3-day breaks to keep the body’s ability to process methionine without supplementation.
Vitamin B6 – co-factor of DAO enzyme. Inhibits mast cell degranulation [srs]. With pancreatic insufficiency may produce anxiety.
Usage: 2-10mg daily (If tolerated. May create anxiety). Best taken once in morning with Methionine.
Glycine (amino acid) – inhibits histidine. Contraindicated with hypercalcemia.
Usage: 500-1000mg daily 2 hours after last meal. Produces calming effect, may slow down peristaltic movement and cause constipation.
TMG (Trimethylglycine) increases methionine levels and protects the cardiovascular system by neutralizing homocysteine
Usage: 500-1000mg daily in morning. Can be too stimulating.
Quercetin/Bromelain combo & lemon bioflavonoids – limit the histamine release from mast cells. This appears to be the most effective combo to use during an acute histamine release bout.
Usage: Quercetin and bromelain as a combo in one supplement is more effective. Take for 1-2 weeks then make a 2 week break. Not recommended long term.
Pycnogenol (French maritime pine extract, bioflavonoid) – significantly inhibits mast cells degranulation [srs]. May cause hot flashes.
Vitamin K2 (Menaquinone-7 /MK-7). Reduces mast cells degranulation by transferring the calcium that facilitates mast cells activation from blood serum into the bones.
Usage: 100mcg daily
N-acetyl-cysteine (NAC) – 200mg in morning to decrease excessive mucous and gently lifts intracellular glutathione for detoxification. NAC can also cause elevated baseline mast cells degranulation. Best taken with vitamin C to limit mast cell histamine capacity.
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
Erica,
FWIW, I'm in the same boat with the MAO-A +/+ result. I also have a COMT V158M +/- result, that's associated with more significant neurotransmitter issues.
Yep, I have histamine issues. And as you may or may not recall — in 2009 I was diagnosed with Parkinson's. Hmmmmm. How about that.
Tex
FWIW, I'm in the same boat with the MAO-A +/+ result. I also have a COMT V158M +/- result, that's associated with more significant neurotransmitter issues.
Yep, I have histamine issues. And as you may or may not recall — in 2009 I was diagnosed with Parkinson's. Hmmmmm. How about that.
Tex
It is suspected that some of the hardest material known to science can be found in the skulls of GI specialists who insist that diet has nothing to do with the treatment of microscopic colitis.
Wow....
Thanks Gabes and Tex,
Yes I am MAO-A ++ and COMT +/-
And I just saw my NTP yesterday and we did another reflex point testing and I have worked on my gastric acid and I didn't have any pain in those reflexes this time (I was quite happy) BUT I did have enough pain in my Gallbladder/Pancreatic area that I must have some pancreatic insufficiency going on and after reading thru the whole text provided in the link you shared Gabes I got to the last sentence on the Histamine Rich Foods and it plainly says if you are affected by HRF that trigger histamine release I am most likely affected by Pancreatic Insufficiency. Irony I suspect not...
So....
I have fairly high levels of Copper - so I don't feel that one is my problem.
I am getting good amounts of VitD3 and Mag so I don't feel I have a Hypercalcemia issue.
I did have a type of herpes flare on my chin area over the Winter three months or so though but it has dissipated to almost nothing now.
The only supplements that I don't know if I am getting enough of are Manganese and Selenium. I may be getting ok Selenium but I can see from the list of foods that I am not getting very good Manganese at all.
I just started to take my K2 supplement I've had in the cupboard for a while.
Vitamin B3 I take it but not every day...so I will start doing that now.
I am curious just how important it is about combining proteins with starches?
I notice there is no mention of cooking with Coconut oil..only Olive oil, not sure if there is an issue with that.
I see it recommends reducing protein intake to 10-20%....ok so how much protein should I be eating for a 135# person if I have been eating some protein at each meal three times a day....
I don't drink stimulating drinks anymore and I have to laugh is says to avoid drinking too much water...what a conundrum because I have a problem getting enough during the day I suspect and have been trying to get adequate liquid in my diet for a while now without it being laced with sugar or very much in a drink.
Thanks for any additional opinions, I appreciate it!
Erica
Thanks Gabes and Tex,
Yes I am MAO-A ++ and COMT +/-
And I just saw my NTP yesterday and we did another reflex point testing and I have worked on my gastric acid and I didn't have any pain in those reflexes this time (I was quite happy) BUT I did have enough pain in my Gallbladder/Pancreatic area that I must have some pancreatic insufficiency going on and after reading thru the whole text provided in the link you shared Gabes I got to the last sentence on the Histamine Rich Foods and it plainly says if you are affected by HRF that trigger histamine release I am most likely affected by Pancreatic Insufficiency. Irony I suspect not...
So....
I have fairly high levels of Copper - so I don't feel that one is my problem.
I am getting good amounts of VitD3 and Mag so I don't feel I have a Hypercalcemia issue.
I did have a type of herpes flare on my chin area over the Winter three months or so though but it has dissipated to almost nothing now.
The only supplements that I don't know if I am getting enough of are Manganese and Selenium. I may be getting ok Selenium but I can see from the list of foods that I am not getting very good Manganese at all.
I just started to take my K2 supplement I've had in the cupboard for a while.
Vitamin B3 I take it but not every day...so I will start doing that now.
I am curious just how important it is about combining proteins with starches?
I notice there is no mention of cooking with Coconut oil..only Olive oil, not sure if there is an issue with that.
I see it recommends reducing protein intake to 10-20%....ok so how much protein should I be eating for a 135# person if I have been eating some protein at each meal three times a day....
I don't drink stimulating drinks anymore and I have to laugh is says to avoid drinking too much water...what a conundrum because I have a problem getting enough during the day I suspect and have been trying to get adequate liquid in my diet for a while now without it being laced with sugar or very much in a drink.
Thanks for any additional opinions, I appreciate it!
Erica
To Succeed you have to Believe in something with such a passion that it becomes a Reality - Anita Roddick
Dx LC April 2012 had symptoms since Aug 2007
Dx LC April 2012 had symptoms since Aug 2007
- Gabes-Apg
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I am MAO and Comt
but my difference is having Pyrrole and life long zinc and B6 deficiency, which has equated to high amounts of unbound (toxic) copper and cadmium.
for me, magnesium and B6 and fixing methylation cycle has been main key factors to resolve histamine issues. It did take 12 months or more.
but my difference is having Pyrrole and life long zinc and B6 deficiency, which has equated to high amounts of unbound (toxic) copper and cadmium.
for me, magnesium and B6 and fixing methylation cycle has been main key factors to resolve histamine issues. It did take 12 months or more.
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
Hmmm....I guess I thought I had been addressing my Methyl issues this whole last year or so....but maybe I am leaving something out and that is why my right side (pancreatic area feels a bit tender).
I suspect healing areas of the body go in stages so this is the area I focus on at the moment, guess it all can't heal at once can it
Thanks for the personal account Gabes, I appreciate it.
Erica
I suspect healing areas of the body go in stages so this is the area I focus on at the moment, guess it all can't heal at once can it
Thanks for the personal account Gabes, I appreciate it.
Erica
To Succeed you have to Believe in something with such a passion that it becomes a Reality - Anita Roddick
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we are still 'fine tuning' my methylation cycle issues 3 years later!
in my case I have methylation issues my whole life so it takes a fair bit of time for the body to adjust to things functioning!
it definately goes in stages, picture the complex methylation cycle as the multiple cogs in a complex antique clock. some of the cogs, took us 6 months to fix, and some were quick and 2 months, a bit like the MC healing journey, it can be 2 steps forward, 1 step back process as the body adjusts to the changes in the chemistry.
in my case I have methylation issues my whole life so it takes a fair bit of time for the body to adjust to things functioning!
it definately goes in stages, picture the complex methylation cycle as the multiple cogs in a complex antique clock. some of the cogs, took us 6 months to fix, and some were quick and 2 months, a bit like the MC healing journey, it can be 2 steps forward, 1 step back process as the body adjusts to the changes in the chemistry.
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
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erica
this article came up in the FB feed for the biotoxin group i am part of
might be something to look into
http://www.wellnessresources.com/health ... ast_cells/
this article came up in the FB feed for the biotoxin group i am part of
might be something to look into
http://www.wellnessresources.com/health ... ast_cells/
Gabes Ryan
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
"Anything that contradicts experience and logic should be abandoned"
Dalai Lama
Thank you Gabes,
I do have a safe VitE in my cupboard I will add that to my K2 an B6 I increased and see what happens I probably stopped all supplements when I had my last flare last Fall....and forgot to add in a couple, I feel like the biggest pill popper ever!
I just had another flare hit a week ago so am trying to determine if it is histamine or slight stress increase induced. I have stopped my Allegra in order to gauge where my body is at too.
Almost 2 year anniversary of healing....got a ways to go, but I feel the progress even if I do have the occasional flare.
Hugs
E
I do have a safe VitE in my cupboard I will add that to my K2 an B6 I increased and see what happens I probably stopped all supplements when I had my last flare last Fall....and forgot to add in a couple, I feel like the biggest pill popper ever!
I just had another flare hit a week ago so am trying to determine if it is histamine or slight stress increase induced. I have stopped my Allegra in order to gauge where my body is at too.
Almost 2 year anniversary of healing....got a ways to go, but I feel the progress even if I do have the occasional flare.
Hugs
E
To Succeed you have to Believe in something with such a passion that it becomes a Reality - Anita Roddick
Dx LC April 2012 had symptoms since Aug 2007
Dx LC April 2012 had symptoms since Aug 2007